Early Vegas 2022-23 NBA Win Totals

[Bornstellar]

#1 pick time

[Floody100]

Celtics wont win 56+

Care to explain or are you just a petty Bucks fans who doesn’t like that the Celtics are predicted to win more games ?

[michaelm]

I'm surprised GSW and DEN have same predicted win totals. I guess it's those 41 home games in Denver.

Warriors have no reason to have their foot on the gas in the regular season. They will let the young guys get some much needed experience.

Exactly. They won’t even try to win 60 games, and mainly concentrate on getting their vet core to the play-offs healthy and giving the young players some run, pivoting if the latter loses them too many games.

[poultryfan]

Celtics wont win 56+

Care to explain or are you just a petty Bucks fans who doesn’t like that the Celtics are predicted to win more games ?

56 wins is in the cards (I have the Celts penciled in as the favorites to come out of the East) but I like the under there as well. All the competitive teams in the East seem very closely matched like last year.

Out of the top teams I like PHO over, bottom teams I like HOU under. Wanna say LAC over but health is still a big question.

[brettski]

Celtics look about right to me. They're one of those teams that doesn't tend to take games off at all plus stars are young and need less wrest days. I may even be tempted to bet they exceed it and get closer to 60.

Bucks (my team) I feel are low. They're basically betting that the Bucks have the same number of wins as last season. I think Bucks go over based on:

- Bucks motivated after not making the finals last year
- Jrue and Midds getting an off season rest instead of going straight from the finals to the Olympics
- overall not resting players as much because they get a full off season of it
- Lopez being healthy instead of missing almost the entire season
- Rolling back the same top 6 as last year but actually knowing how to play together now (Allen without Lopez to start season etc)
- Another off season for Giannis to add something else to his bag (his little push shot or hook shot started to look real good late season)

[Tukkerwolf]

So the addition of Gobert netted the Wolves 2 wins. That's pretty grim.

[GiannisAnte34]

Celtics wont win 56+

Care to explain or are you just a petty Bucks fans who doesn’t like that the Celtics are predicted to win more games ?

The Celtics won 51 games, care to explain how they've improved 5 wins?

1) Adding Brogdon who has missed on average nearly 33 games per season the last 3 years (100 games missed the last 3 years if you want to get technical) doesn't strike as a rock solid improvement. He has a degenerative foot injury that won't ever get better

2) Udoka was a 1st year coach, a lot of 1st year coaches historically do better than 2nd year coaches because the league doesn't have film to study their tendencies yet.

3) Al Horford isn't getting younger, last year he had the benefit of being completely fresh thanks to OKC benching him in the 2020-2021 season.

4) Timelord played through his recovery of a torn meniscus because the Celtics went deep in the playoffs.

5) Last season the Celtics pushed all of their starters to play much higher average minutes per game because their backs were up against the wall before the All-Star break. Once the Finals came around, it was clear that the toll taken on their stars from the regular season and deep playoff run was a factor. If the Celtics are wise and in the position where they don't need to play tight rotations and playoff intensity starting in January, they'll load manage their stars more (particularly Tatum, Brown, Horford, and Timelord)

[Apz]

Ouch, mavs got a lot better and might not be done yet. Were 5th last year and now like...15th ish? Dont see it. Easiest money on that list imo

[baldur]

Cleveland looks like easy money..chicago over seems a good bet too. Cannot really see them as a .500 team with essentially the same team plus a healthy patrick williams and possibly lonzo returning at some point.

lonzo misses 30-40 games every year anyway.

[poultryfan]

So the addition of Gobert netted the Wolves 2 wins. That's pretty grim.

Uncertainty regarding fit between Gobert and KAT + a handful of teams that the Wolves finished ahead of (Clippers, Pelicans, Blazers, Lakers if they land Kyrie) are all expected to improve significantly over last season.

[NO-KG-AI]

The Celtics and Tatum start every year slow, and take off after January. I have nothing to back that up, it just seems like Tatum explodes after a cold start to the year annually lol.

[HurricaneDij25]

Pop won’t let the Spurs lose that many games.

[LegendaryLakers]

I think the Cavs over and the Rockets under are bets I would take out of that list. Really like the Cavs over actually, but I'm a Darius Garland fanboy.

[AussieCeltic]

Celtics wont win 56+

Care to explain or are you just a petty Bucks fans who doesn’t like that the Celtics are predicted to win more games ?

The Celtics won 51 games, care to explain how they've improved 5 wins?

1) Adding Brogdon who has missed on average nearly 33 games per season the last 3 years (100 games missed the last 3 years if you want to get technical) doesn't strike as a rock solid improvement. He has a degenerative foot injury that won't ever get better

2) Udoka was a 1st year coach, a lot of 1st year coaches historically do better than 2nd year coaches because the league doesn't have film to study their tendencies yet.

3) Al Horford isn't getting younger, last year he had the benefit of being completely fresh thanks to OKC benching him in the 2020-2021 season.

4) Timelord played through his recovery of a torn meniscus because the Celtics went deep in the playoffs.

5) Last season the Celtics pushed all of their starters to play much higher average minutes per game because their backs were up against the wall before the All-Star break. Once the Finals came around, it was clear that the toll taken on their stars from the regular season and deep playoff run was a factor. If the Celtics are wise and in the position where they don't need to play tight rotations and playoff intensity starting in January, they'll load manage their stars more (particularly Tatum, Brown, Horford, and Timelord)

2nd year coaches do worse than rookie coaches? Got any evidence to back that up? I’d bet the opposite.

I think the Vegas line is right for the Celtics. I also think the Bucks is too low as I mentioned earlier but your reasoning is ridiculous.

[SpreeS]

Every team will improve as always according to their fans.

[PlatinumState]

This is gonna age poorly as it always does

[Floody100]

Celtics wont win 56+

Care to explain or are you just a petty Bucks fans who doesn’t like that the Celtics are predicted to win more games ?

The Celtics won 51 games, care to explain how they've improved 5 wins?

1) Adding Brogdon who has missed on average nearly 33 games per season the last 3 years (100 games missed the last 3 years if you want to get technical) doesn't strike as a rock solid improvement. He has a degenerative foot injury that won't ever get better

2) Udoka was a 1st year coach, a lot of 1st year coaches historically do better than 2nd year coaches because the league doesn't have film to study their tendencies yet.

3) Al Horford isn't getting younger, last year he had the benefit of being completely fresh thanks to OKC benching him in the 2020-2021 season.

4) Timelord played through his recovery of a torn meniscus because the Celtics went deep in the playoffs.

5) Last season the Celtics pushed all of their starters to play much higher average minutes per game because their backs were up against the wall before the All-Star break. Once the Finals came around, it was clear that the toll taken on their stars from the regular season and deep playoff run was a factor. If the Celtics are wise and in the position where they don't need to play tight rotations and playoff intensity starting in January, they'll load manage their stars more (particularly Tatum, Brown, Horford, and Timelord)

We started the season inconsistency with a record of 18-21 largely due to getting used to a new coach & new system. As soon as everything came together we ended up going 33-10 in our next 43. We’ve added much needed talent & depth which will help too.

[baldur]

Pop won’t let the Spurs lose that many games.

Their best player is keldon Johnson. 25 wins will be a success for them.

[giberish]

Every team will improve as always according to their fans.

Most fans default assumptions are that their team will be injury-free, that their young guys will improve a lot and their old guys won't decline at all. Even just a normal amount of injuries is often treated as an unforeseeable disaster that only affected their team.

[GiannisAnte34]

Care to explain or are you just a petty Bucks fans who doesn’t like that the Celtics are predicted to win more games ?

The Celtics won 51 games, care to explain how they've improved 5 wins?

1) Adding Brogdon who has missed on average nearly 33 games per season the last 3 years (100 games missed the last 3 years if you want to get technical) doesn't strike as a rock solid improvement. He has a degenerative foot injury that won't ever get better

2) Udoka was a 1st year coach, a lot of 1st year coaches historically do better than 2nd year coaches because the league doesn't have film to study their tendencies yet.

3) Al Horford isn't getting younger, last year he had the benefit of being completely fresh thanks to OKC benching him in the 2020-2021 season.

4) Timelord played through his recovery of a torn meniscus because the Celtics went deep in the playoffs.

5) Last season the Celtics pushed all of their starters to play much higher average minutes per game because their backs were up against the wall before the All-Star break. Once the Finals came around, it was clear that the toll taken on their stars from the regular season and deep playoff run was a factor. If the Celtics are wise and in the position where they don't need to play tight rotations and playoff intensity starting in January, they'll load manage their stars more (particularly Tatum, Brown, Horford, and Timelord)

We started the season inconsistency with a record of 18-21 largely due to getting used to a new coach & new system. As soon as everything came together we ended up going 33-10 in our next 43. We’ve added much needed talent & depth which will help too.

What new system? The Celtics spammed switch everything defense all year long and they stuck to a tightened rotation giving heavy minutes to their top 7 guys. Good luck with two injury prone "talent & depth" guys