OT: Duke vs BYU Racial Slur UPDATE

[SeattleJazzFan]

a friend once told me a story about a time his kid was playing youth basketball - there was a kid on the team who was 6-8" taller than everybody else and his dad would constantly tell him to put his hands up, to be big. he was always yelling "be bigger". this was a mostly white time with just a couple black kids on it. in one particular game, they were playing against a team of all black kids and of course the dad, like usual, kept yelling "be bigger!" at his son - and it doesn't take a genius to know what happened next.

the other team of course took exception to the racial slurs they thought they'd heard, but fortunately the few black parents on the mostly white team were able to explain what the dad was actually saying and that he yells it every game and practice he attends.

iow, it's very possible everybody in this story is entirely innocent and genuine (except the godmother) and that it was just a big misunderstanding.

Yes, that could be a possibility, that it was all just a big misunderstanding but then wouldn't that really really really suck for the person that was falsely accused and had to deal with the whole cancellation process/trial that was brought on not by himself but by someone else.

yes, i have to wonder if that guy has any legal recourse. because the one thing we know for certain at this point as that that guy in particular didn't yell any racial slurs. so regardless of what else happened, that dude was given the shaft.

[GSWFan1994]

If he's innocent this isn't cool. I understand the desire for diversity/inclusion but society has to catch up and pushback against some of the mob mentality (of any kind) that often rushes to judgement before the facts come out. Innocent bystanders shouldn't be cancelled by a guilty before proven innocent trial via Social Media Mobs. There should be repercussions for false accusations that get out of hand like this one (potentially).

By coincidence, just yesterday I was watching a video interview by a political science expert who said the stage is more or less being set for the next mass genocide.

Basically, he says there's a chasm in the modern society, and that chasm is being opened up by the way language has been interpreted and weaponized to label and dehumanize oponents, whatever the niche they may be (political, social, financial, a certain demographic, etc).

By doing this, you're justified, towards the public eye, of whatever actions you apply to them... murder, ostracize, take off financial subsistence, imprison, etc.

Add to that the fact that media nowadays doesn't serve the society in the sense of reporting facts and helping find the truth, but merely pushing a narrative which they can profit from... and voila, the stage is set.

Obviously this is a very, very, very slow process, which takes years, perhaps decades to come into fruition.

As always with history, as the saying goes, if you don't know your history, you're bound to repeat it. What I said above happened multiple times in humanity's trajectory during the centuries.

I could link it to you if you are interested, I just don't know if you understand brazilian portuguese (or if there's automatic translation for the video, I didn't check).

Cheers.

[GSWFan1994]

The other thing id wanna know is if the story came from the girl, or from the grandmother or whatever she is to her. I feel like if someone was yelling the N word everytime she served, someone would have done something, even at byu. I do still hear it in some gyms, but something usually happens to the person that did it.

Well noted. I mean, there is tape evidence, and there are hundreds of witnesses, no?

So just go towards the truth... decipher the evidence and you'll be on your way.

[Purch]

This thread just shows me how quick people are to belive someone is guilty of an action, versus how resistant people are to believing someone lied about the same situation. There's people here scrutinizing BYU as an institution as to why they don't belive their evidence, but everyone was so quick to belive the initial story based on no evidence. I don't get the thought process at all.

Why isn't there the initial resistance to proclaiming an action is true, when an action is supported by little to no evidence? Then why when an action is said to be false, and evidence comes out countering the initial narrative, do people suddenly decide to scrutinize the quality of evidence before they come to a conclusion?

The way people deal with accusations is absolutely logically incomprehensible.

[SeattleJazzFan]

This thread just shows me how quick people are to belive someone is guilty of an action, versus how resistant people are to believing someone lied about the same situation. There's people here scrutinizing BYU as an institution as to why they don't belive their evidence, but everyone was so quick to belive the initial story based on no evidence. I don't get the thought process at all.

Why isn't there the initial resistance to proclaiming an action is true, when an action is supported by little to no evidence? Then why when an action is said to be false, and evidence comes out countering the initial narrative, do people suddenly decide to scrutinize the quality of evidence before they come to a conclusion?

The way people deal with accusations is absolutely logically incomprehensible.

in the thread that was locked, i got absolutely crucified for even suggesting the possibility that it might not have happened. there was never any evidence other than the player and the godmother's words that it happened, mind you, but because people are so quick to believe any accusation thrown out there, i was the bad guy just for the mere suggestion that there may have been a misunderstanding. also, it was white, mormon, byu at the center of the controversy so it HAD to be true - right?

[GSWFan1994]

This thread just shows me how quick people are to belive someone is guilty of an action, versus how resistant people are to believing someone lied about the same situation. There's people here scrutinizing BYU as an institution as to why they don't belive their evidence, but everyone was so quick to belive the initial story based on no evidence. I don't get the thought process at all.

Why isn't there the initial resistance to proclaiming an action is true, when an action is supported by little to no evidence? Then why when an action is said to be false, and evidence comes out countering the initial narrative, do people suddenly decide to scrutinize the quality of evidence before they come to a conclusion?

The way people deal with accusations is absolutely logically incomprehensible.

This is very easy to explain: people think that a certain narrative is undoubtedly, unquestionably the truth, ie, the actual reported facts.

That could be the case, but it isn't always the case. Heck, I'd argue it's rarely the case nowadays...

[Nate505]

Add to that the fact that media nowadays doesn't serve the society in the sense of reporting facts and helping find the truth, but merely pushing a narrative which they can profit from... and voila, the stage is set.

Yeah, that's the distressing part about all this. In this case, here's a USA Today article about it:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2022/08/30/duke-womens-volleyball-player-details-racist-incident-byu-fan/7939843001/

Duke volleyball player Rachel Richardson went into more detail about what occurred during a match between the Blue Devils and BYU on Friday during which she was the subject of threats and racist slurs coming from fans sitting in the student section.

In this case, the article writer is writing that this happened like it was a fact. Usually, it's standard journalism (at least I thought it was) to say alleged before this.

[SeattleJazzFan]

Add to that the fact that media nowadays doesn't serve the society in the sense of reporting facts and helping find the truth, but merely pushing a narrative which they can profit from... and voila, the stage is set.

Yeah, that's the distressing part about all this. In this case, here's a USA Today article about it:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2022/08/30/duke-womens-volleyball-player-details-racist-incident-byu-fan/7939843001/

Duke volleyball player Rachel Richardson went into more detail about what occurred during a match between the Blue Devils and BYU on Friday during which she was the subject of threats and racist slurs coming from fans sitting in the student section.

In this case, the article writer is writing that this happened like it was a fact. Usually, it's standard journalism (at least I thought it was) to say alleged before this.

everybody should be concerned about how easy it is to make an accusation and how the media and general population will simply run with it without any evidence. In this case the guy is going to be just fine. he was only banned from sporting events - that sucks, but you're going to live. in other cases it can legit ruin lives. that's a huge problem.

[Duke4life831]

I’ll just say this for both sides. Confirmation bias is a hell of a thing. Saw a lot of people in the other thread saying it’s Utah, BYU, Mormons and so on so it must be true. Also for the other side just because the initial guy they thought did it found out that he didn’t do it, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Never a bad thing to sit back and let all the evidence unfold before making harsh judgments.

And I’ll just say this as someone who just recently moved to Utah. I definitely think it gets a bad rap overall. Ya it’s not perfect, but as someone who is in an interracial relationship, out of all the cities I’ve lived in (Orange County, San Fran, San Jose, and Denver) no place has seen to be more generally nice than the people in Utah. And my non white girlfriend likes it here the most out of everywhere we’ve lived. Just saying.

[Rainwater]

100% certain this tread won't end well, lol.

[Rainwater]

I just think she mistakingly heard something and the media ran with it.

[cupcakesnake]

Second time this topic has popped up and gotten locked up. Use the Current Affairs board. This is not a basketball topic.