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Post#41 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sat Apr 1, 2023 4:14 pm

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:I'm glad we didn't trade for Mitchell, it would have cost us IQ or Grimes as well as RJ and a gang of picks. I'm good.


That’s true but you would have received Donovan Mitchell who is better than all of them.



I'd rather keep them and the draft picks, maybe a better player becomes available, or maybe Grimes blossoms into a 17-20ppg scorer, IQ has already turned into a 6MOY and is elite defensively. That is to say nothing of the fact that with all these star trades over the years the success rate of them resulting in a title is pretty low.
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Post#42 » by blueNorange » Sat Apr 1, 2023 4:20 pm

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:I'm glad we didn't trade for Mitchell, it would have cost us IQ or Grimes as well as RJ and a gang of picks. I'm good.


That’s true but you would have received Donovan Mitchell who is better than all of them.

yeah better for sure but iq and grimes are borderline elite defenders and grimes could very well be all team defense someday

he’s that good defensively
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Post#43 » by mcfly1204 » Sat Apr 1, 2023 4:23 pm

stuporman wrote:DMitch spends all summer at NYC events showing how he wants to be in NY if traded

Yet, Utah trades him to Cleveland despite his desires because it's in their best interest to do so

Some fans: hE mAdE ThE rIgHt ChOicE

Isn't he from the NYC area? Travis Kelce participates in Cleveland events, but I don't see him campaigning to join the Browns.
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Post#44 » by stuporman » Sat Apr 1, 2023 4:32 pm

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stuporman wrote:DMitch spends all summer at NYC events showing how he wants to be in NY if traded

Yet, Utah trades him to Cleveland despite his desires because it's in their best interest to do so

Some fans: hE mAdE ThE rIgHt ChOicE

Isn't he from the NYC area? Travis Kelce participates in Cleveland events, but I don't see him campaigning to join the Browns.


Is Travis Kelce on the trading block or the team engaged in trade talks about them?
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Post#46 » by Scalabrine » Sat Apr 1, 2023 5:17 pm

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RJ had more value than Lauri at the time of the trade. There isn't much debating that.


I have a hard believing that any competent GM placed much value on RJ. He's so obviously a terrible player to even the most casual fans' eyes. Ainge has proven enough times that he knows what he's doing, and I have no doubt that any alleged interest in the Knicks trade package was being used as leverage against other teams.


Welp, the knicks gave him like 30 a year. I think ainge was interested, why were all the rumours about RJ, then when they pulled RJ and resigned him, did the talks seemingly stall?


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Post#47 » by Scalabrine » Sat Apr 1, 2023 5:28 pm

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Only an idiot of the highest order would trade for RJ Barrett instead of Lauri. Ainge isn't that.


RJ had more value than Lauri at the time of the trade. There isn't much debating that.


There is definitely debating that because Barrett sucks and be sucked a year ago too. Lauri was at least intriguing.


At 24 and his 5th year in the league, Markkanen had a per possession career low in points per game, rebounds per game, 3pt%. He found a new role as a SF that made him more useful, but RJ had (and still has) Star potential. You have a short term memory.
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Kyrie chose Brooklyn over the Knicks, so I guess he didn't want the Knicks either. Or the Cavs, or the Celtics... huh. Maybe Kyrie not wanting a team isn't that rare?


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Post#49 » by RHODEY » Sat Apr 1, 2023 5:57 pm

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Karate Diop wrote:Mitchell's trying to win it all which is why he didn't want a trade to Manhattan. He made the right move.

Manhattan has high priced real estate in your head. But we understand why .... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Post#50 » by payton2kemp » Sat Apr 1, 2023 7:23 pm

Former Nets Fan wrote:Jalen "Damn" Son just dropped 48 Points on the Cavs!

Why didn't Donovan Mitchell work the back channels and let Danny Ainge know that if he got traded that he only wanted to play for the New York Knicks?

He really dropped the ball here. He played Mr. Nice guy and let Trader Danny know it didn't matter where he got traded. His Agent and Advisors really selfishly hurt his Career!

And Think about all the Extra Money Donovan would have made in Endorsements because he's in the World's Biggest Market

Imagine a Jalen "Damn" Son & Donovan Mitchell backcourt?!?!


Because he had no choice in the matter. Ainge got the best value for him and its the Cavs who gave it.
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Post#51 » by jasonxxx102 » Sat Apr 1, 2023 8:29 pm

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RJ had more value than Lauri at the time of the trade. There isn't much debating that.


There is definitely debating that because Barrett sucks and be sucked a year ago too. Lauri was at least intriguing.


At 24 and his 5th year in the league, Markkanen had a per possession career low in points per game, rebounds per game, 3pt%. He found a new role as a SF that made him more useful, but RJ had (and still has) Star potential. You have a short term memory.


At 24 and his 5th year in the league, Markkanen was considerably better than Barrett had ever been in his career. Your point is irrelevant

Just lmao if you think RJ has star potential. Where’s the potential? Seriously
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Post#52 » by cgf » Sat Apr 1, 2023 8:54 pm

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Scalabrine wrote:
jasonxxx102 wrote:
There is definitely debating that because Barrett sucks and be sucked a year ago too. Lauri was at least intriguing.


At 24 and his 5th year in the league, Markkanen had a per possession career low in points per game, rebounds per game, 3pt%. He found a new role as a SF that made him more useful, but RJ had (and still has) Star potential. You have a short term memory.


At 24 and his 5th year in the league, Markkanen was considerably better than Barrett had ever been in his career. Your point is irrelevant

Just lmao if you think RJ has star potential. Where’s the potential? Seriously


Since his handle & footwork took that leap, RJ has been getting to the rim & line at an elite rate. If his finishing and shooting off the bounce can reach league average with another offseason or two of development, RJ can absolutely still become an allstar.

Obviously not there yet...which is why I fear our FO will look to swap him for a more developed wing scorer...and his poor shooting since hurting his finger is not helping, but it doesn't take much watching him to see why someone would think RJ could be a top 3 or even top 2 option on a good team :dontknow:
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Post#53 » by Blacksheep25 » Sat Apr 1, 2023 9:02 pm

Scalabrine wrote:
jasonxxx102 wrote:
Scalabrine wrote:
RJ had more value than Lauri at the time of the trade. There isn't much debating that.


There is definitely debating that because Barrett sucks and be sucked a year ago too. Lauri was at least intriguing.


At 24 and his 5th year in the league, Markkanen had a per possession career low in points per game, rebounds per game, 3pt%. He found a new role as a SF that made him more useful, but RJ had (and still has) Star potential. You have a short term memory.




Markannen had a frustrating career up until this season, but frustrating because he would look really good for stretches and then regress, but he’s been better than Barrett for pretty much every season of his career. I don’t think he’s as impactful as his numbers this year, but it’s highly doubtful RJ will ever have a year as good as Markannen has had this year.

I guess you can say RJ still has star potential because you can say it about anyone approaching 23, but at this point after having sunk over $100 million on his extension, I imagine the Knicks would take him simply being a league average player considering how horrible he’s been. He’s been consistently bad for his whole career now and getting worse. He’s one of the worst players in the league by every single metric before you even get into the contract.

When you try to find some silver lining to his game, it’s really impossible. Negative offensive player every year of his career. Negative defensive player every year of his career and Knicks worst defender this year. Even Wiggins didn’t pull of being a negative player over replacement player on both sides of the ball his first 4 years. He’s negative over a replacement player for his career. Markannen was frustrating, but better than RJ every year he’s been in the league at half the money.

Barrett has been consistently bad at every aspect of playing basketball since he’s walked in the door and getting worse at shooting, where he at least had one decent year shooting 3s in his second year.

He’s just horrible on both sides of the court with not a single positive sign he’s going to ever be better than league average, let alone worth his contract or a star. His extension and usage is an albatross around a team that has a lot of decent things going for it otherwise. I’m not some advanced stats tell the whole story guy, but in his case, you watch him and he’s bad on both sides of the ball and his metrics simply match up with his game.

His extension felt crazy at the time. but teams always struggle to cut their losses on high draft picks. They showed him a vote of confidence and he’s given them his worst year in a bad career. He’s improved at nothing in the last 3 years and is worse at shooting. Type of player you don’t want on your team eating minutes on high usage for small money, let alone $30 million.
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Post#54 » by RHODEY » Sat Apr 1, 2023 9:05 pm

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Karate Diop wrote:Mitchell's trying to win it all which is why he didn't want a trade to Manhattan. He made the right move.

Manhattan has high priced real estate in your head. But we understand why .... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


He mad cause he knows Mikal is thirsty for the Knicks


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Post#55 » by stuporman » Sat Apr 1, 2023 9:12 pm

Wow...even people on the GB write essays about how 'horrible' they think RJ is....it's like jimmit and chanel had a baby. Let's hope it was a test tube baby because nobody wants to consider them having sex together.
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Post#56 » by cgf » Sat Apr 1, 2023 9:23 pm

Blacksheep25 wrote:
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jasonxxx102 wrote:
There is definitely debating that because Barrett sucks and be sucked a year ago too. Lauri was at least intriguing.


At 24 and his 5th year in the league, Markkanen had a per possession career low in points per game, rebounds per game, 3pt%. He found a new role as a SF that made him more useful, but RJ had (and still has) Star potential. You have a short term memory.




Markannen had a frustrating career up until this season, but frustrating because he would look really good for stretches and then regress, but he’s been better than Barrett for pretty much every season of his career. I don’t think he’s as impactful as his numbers this year, but it’s highly doubtful RJ will ever have a year as good as Markannen has had this year.

I guess you can say RJ still has star potential because you can say it about anyone approaching 23, but at this point after having sunk over $100 million on his extension, I imagine the Knicks would take him simply being a league average player considering how horrible he’s been. He’s been consistently bad for his whole career now and getting worse. He’s one of the worst players in the league by every single metric before you even get into the contract.

When you try to find some silver lining to his game, it’s really impossible. Negative offensive player every year of his career. Negative defensive player every year of his career and Knicks worst defender this year. Even Wiggins didn’t pull of being a negative player over replacement player on both sides of the ball his first 4 years. He’s negative over a replacement player for his career. Markannen was frustrating, but better than RJ every year he’s been in the league at half the money.

Barrett has been consistently bad at every aspect of playing basketball since he’s walked in the door and getting worse at shooting, where he at least had one decent year shooting 3s in his second year.

He’s just horrible on both sides of the court with not a single positive sign he’s going to ever be better than league average, let alone worth his contract or a star. His extension and usage is an albatross around a team that has a lot of decent things going for it otherwise. I’m not some advanced stats tell the whole story guy, but in his case, you watch him and he’s bad on both sides of the ball and his metrics simply match up with his game.

His extension felt crazy at the time. but teams always struggle to cut their losses on high draft picks. They showed him a vote of confidence and he’s given them his worst year in a bad career. He’s improved at nothing in the last 3 years and is worse at shooting. Type of player you don’t want on your team eating minutes on high usage for small money, let alone $30 million.


So exactly like RJ Barrett? Every season so far he has started the year playing poorly before things clicked around the holidays and he finished the year playing significantly better. If streaky development is a valid excuse, it should be applied equally to both.
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Post#57 » by jasonxxx102 » Sat Apr 1, 2023 9:31 pm

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At 24 and his 5th year in the league, Markkanen had a per possession career low in points per game, rebounds per game, 3pt%. He found a new role as a SF that made him more useful, but RJ had (and still has) Star potential. You have a short term memory.


At 24 and his 5th year in the league, Markkanen was considerably better than Barrett had ever been in his career. Your point is irrelevant

Just lmao if you think RJ has star potential. Where’s the potential? Seriously


Since his handle & footwork took that leap, RJ has been getting to the rim & line at an elite rate. If his finishing and shooting off the bounce can reach league average with another offseason or two of development, RJ can absolutely still become an allstar.

Obviously not there yet...which is why I fear our FO will look to swap him for a more developed wing scorer...and his poor shooting since hurting his finger is not helping, but it doesn't take much watching him to see why someone would think RJ could be a top 3 or even top 2 option on a good team :dontknow:


He’s been a really good finisher for his whole career, FTr this year is down since last year, he’s never been able to shoot from anywhere on the floor, can’t do anything with his right hand, dreadful defender, below average rebounder for his size…

But yea he hurt his finger lol
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Post#58 » by mcfly1204 » Sat Apr 1, 2023 10:07 pm

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stuporman wrote:DMitch spends all summer at NYC events showing how he wants to be in NY if traded

Yet, Utah trades him to Cleveland despite his desires because it's in their best interest to do so

Some fans: hE mAdE ThE rIgHt ChOicE

Isn't he from the NYC area? Travis Kelce participates in Cleveland events, but I don't see him campaigning to join the Browns.


Is Travis Kelce on the trading block or the team engaged in trade talks about them?

The Mitchell trades chatter, that took place over the course of a week, no?
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Post#59 » by stuporman » Sat Apr 1, 2023 10:14 pm

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mcfly1204 wrote:Isn't he from the NYC area? Travis Kelce participates in Cleveland events, but I don't see him campaigning to join the Browns.


Is Travis Kelce on the trading block or the team engaged in trade talks about them?

The Mitchell trades chatter, that took place over the course of a week, no?


No, it was like two months. As soon as the Gobert trade went down at the beginning of July the rumors started until Mitchell was traded at the beginning of Sept. There are some who believe as soon as the coach was fired the players knew what was coming from a meeting with owners but just speculation imo.
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Post#60 » by cgf » Sat Apr 1, 2023 10:29 pm

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At 24 and his 5th year in the league, Markkanen was considerably better than Barrett had ever been in his career. Your point is irrelevant

Just lmao if you think RJ has star potential. Where’s the potential? Seriously


Since his handle & footwork took that leap, RJ has been getting to the rim & line at an elite rate. If his finishing and shooting off the bounce can reach league average with another offseason or two of development, RJ can absolutely still become an allstar.

Obviously not there yet...which is why I fear our FO will look to swap him for a more developed wing scorer...and his poor shooting since hurting his finger is not helping, but it doesn't take much watching him to see why someone would think RJ could be a top 3 or even top 2 option on a good team :dontknow:


He’s been a really good finisher for his whole career, FTr this year is down since last year, he’s never been able to shoot from anywhere on the floor, can’t do anything with his right hand, dreadful defender, below average rebounder for his size…

But yea he hurt his finger lol


Many of these are factually incorrect or misleading presented, but somehow I suspect you don't care too much about that :lol:

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