Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season)

[Larry_Russell]

Siakam is just such a fascinating player for this team. And I truly believe he can be had in a one for one swap of Brown.

POR seems very inclined to trade #3/Simons for a all star SF. Brown is by all accounts coveted in that role. We all go back and forth on how good he is or isn't on here, but this deal seems to be something they'd jump at.

TOR is at a crossroads. OG and Siakam are expiring. FVV, Poeltl and potentially Gary Trent Jr. are FAs this year. There are some questions of how Scottie Barnes fits with that group (particularly Siakam), and how expensive it would be to keep together. I find it hard to believe they would pass on #3/Simons for Siakam. It just seems like something they couldn't pass up.

POR could keep Siakam but Brown fits the roster better with Jerami Grant projected to re-sign. A 3 team deal is right there for the taking if we want it, IMO

POR gives: #3, Simons
POR gets: Brown

TOR gives: Siakam
TOR gets: #3, Simons

BOS gives: Brown
BOS gets: Siakam

I actually think TOR owes POR #13 because I have Brown=Siakam=#3 and Simons=#13. It might not be a price they want to pay. Who knows, we might even be able to get #13 out of it for ourselves because I think the other sides would be strongly inclined to do the deal still. Maybe we can expand it to keep Simons for ourselves with someone like Brogdon going out. There are possible add-ons/adjustments. But the bare bones of us sending out Brown for Siakam seems right there for the taking if we want it, IMO.

Smart / Brogdon / Pritchard
White
Tatum / Hauser
Siakam / Grant if re-signed / Gallo / Champagnie
Horford / RWilliams / Kornet

I'm sticking with Horford over Rob in the starting lineup for spacing but could easily switch. Feels like a few potential lineup tweaks you could make after...

With the added playmaking of Siakam over Brown, I think it might make sense to swap one of Smart or White out for more of an off ball shooter, though that's not an issue if White proves this past year is a consistent thing to expect.

If the team wanted to commit to bigger lineups, you could look to add another rotation center into the mix and use Horford more at PF than C. Maybe Rob at C for 24 minutes, the new guy for 15. Horford takes the rest of the minutes there and backs up Siakam at the 4. Means Tatum is a SF full time basically. Come playoff time maybe you cut that new guy out of the rotation. Means to get that guy would be trading the salary of Gallo/Pritchard/Kornet and/or a potential Grant S&T (since he's forced out in this scenario).

I truly believe that #3 on its own is enough for Siakam and that Simons should come to boston. If Simons goest to Toronto then boston needs more asset (perhaps #13 covers the gap)

Portland-Brown
Toronto-#3, Simons
Boston-Siakam, #13

Draft Whitehead at 13 and nab UFA Terrance Davis (poised for a breakout, imo)who should come in for less than the MLE imo.
If not Davis other notable UFAs that can play SG
Josh Richardson
Caris Levert
Lonnie Wlker 4
Milton
Troy Brown Jr
Javonte Green
Dillon Brooks
Oubre Jr
Ross

Move Pritchard, Gallo and Muscala, imo, for a little salary savings to get our FAs or just trade for that wing player.


Smart/Brogdon/Davidson
White/Davis/Begarin
Tatum/Free Agent/Hauser
Siakam/Grant/Kabengele
Timelord/Horford/Kornet

I think it's pretty clean in terms of trade value... Brown = Siakam = #3. And then Simons = #13. I just don't see why BOS would be entitled to more value than Siakam for Brown. And on the POR side, feels like if #3 = Brown then they should get paid for Simons.

You're probably right though that push comes to shove that POR would be willing to do #3/Simons for just Brown. So maybe BOS can squeeze out some extra value. But seems fair enough to me without any extra.

Here is the reasoning.

Brown is more valuable that Siakam. He is viewed that way around the league, and ESPECIALLY to the Trailblazers at this point in time. Brown is a guy mentioned by name from Lillard as a guy he would like to play with. This is them really pumping up their roster with,honestly, an IDEAL fit.

I know brown,extension, etc....but Siakam is also in that same boat...but is older and showed a regression a bit this past season as well where as Brown reached his highest levels yet.

Siakam and #13 + Simons and #3, imo. (Siakam older, expiring)
Brown is worth #3 and Simons..no pick

So, imo, pick needs to come to Boston

[Larry_Russell]

As an add

Gallo, Pritch, Muscala lets the Celtics take back about 18 million in salary.

18 mill salaries nd under
Powell
Porter Jr
Trent Jr
Huerter
Kennard
Dort
Clarkson
KCP
McDermott
DFS

Lots of names

Portland-Brown, Simons, #3, #23
Toronto-Simons, #23, Gallinari, Pritchard, Muscala
Boston-Siakam, #13, Trent Jr (assuming he opts in)

Smart/Brogdon
Trent Jr/White
Tatum/#13
Siakam/Grant
Timelord/Horford

[Fencer reregistered]

*Ducks*

Am I crazy for not being the biggest advocate for Embiid? I kind of feel like his game is detrimental to those around him. A big, plodding center who likes to slow the game down and operate in the paint doesn't feel conducive to everyone else getting their games going.

I think if Embiid is ever going to win he's going to need to turn down his individual scoring output and play a style that's more free flowing and lets everyone else eat.

Embiid needs to save energy on offense so that he has more with which to play D.

[Hal14]

I truly believe that #3 on its own is enough for Siakam and that Simons should come to boston. If Simons goest to Toronto then boston needs more asset (perhaps #13 covers the gap)

Portland-Brown
Toronto-#3, Simons
Boston-Siakam, #13

Draft Whitehead at 13 and nab UFA Terrance Davis (poised for a breakout, imo)who should come in for less than the MLE imo.
If not Davis other notable UFAs that can play SG
Josh Richardson
Caris Levert
Lonnie Wlker 4
Milton
Troy Brown Jr
Javonte Green
Dillon Brooks
Oubre Jr
Ross

Move Pritchard, Gallo and Muscala, imo, for a little salary savings to get our FAs or just trade for that wing player.


Smart/Brogdon/Davidson
White/Davis/Begarin
Tatum/Free Agent/Hauser
Siakam/Grant/Kabengele
Timelord/Horford/Kornet

I think it's pretty clean in terms of trade value... Brown = Siakam = #3. And then Simons = #13. I just don't see why BOS would be entitled to more value than Siakam for Brown. And on the POR side, feels like if #3 = Brown then they should get paid for Simons.

You're probably right though that push comes to shove that POR would be willing to do #3/Simons for just Brown. So maybe BOS can squeeze out some extra value. But seems fair enough to me without any extra.

Here is the reasoning.

Brown is more valuable that Siakam. He is viewed that way around the league, and ESPECIALLY to the Trailblazers at this point in time. Brown is a guy mentioned by name from Lillard as a guy he would like to play with. This is them really pumping up their roster with,honestly, an IDEAL fit.

I know brown,extension, etc....but Siakam is also in that same boat...but is older and showed a regression a bit this past season as well where as Brown reached his highest levels yet.

Siakam and #13 + Simons and #3, imo. (Siakam older, expiring)
Brown is worth #3 and Simons..no pick

So, imo, pick needs to come to Boston

Siakam had arguably the best season of his career this season. Averaged career highs in PPG, APG and FTr. 2nd best BPM and VORP of his career, tied his career high PER.

They both have 1 year left on their deal.

Brown can get paid much more on his new deal though, since he made all-NBA this year and Siakam did not. That can be seen as something that gives Siakam more trade value, since you aren't having to commit as much $ to him and can thus, have more $ leftover for other players on your roster.

Brown of course, being 3 yrs younger, makes him more valuable.

All in all, I'd say Brown has slightly more trade value, but it's pretty close.

[hugepatsfan]

Spoiler:

I truly believe that #3 on its own is enough for Siakam and that Simons should come to boston. If Simons goest to Toronto then boston needs more asset (perhaps #13 covers the gap)

Portland-Brown
Toronto-#3, Simons
Boston-Siakam, #13

Draft Whitehead at 13 and nab UFA Terrance Davis (poised for a breakout, imo)who should come in for less than the MLE imo.
If not Davis other notable UFAs that can play SG
Josh Richardson
Caris Levert
Lonnie Wlker 4
Milton
Troy Brown Jr
Javonte Green
Dillon Brooks
Oubre Jr
Ross

Move Pritchard, Gallo and Muscala, imo, for a little salary savings to get our FAs or just trade for that wing player.


Smart/Brogdon/Davidson
White/Davis/Begarin
Tatum/Free Agent/Hauser
Siakam/Grant/Kabengele
Timelord/Horford/Kornet

I think it's pretty clean in terms of trade value... Brown = Siakam = #3. And then Simons = #13. I just don't see why BOS would be entitled to more value than Siakam for Brown. And on the POR side, feels like if #3 = Brown then they should get paid for Simons.

You're probably right though that push comes to shove that POR would be willing to do #3/Simons for just Brown. So maybe BOS can squeeze out some extra value. But seems fair enough to me without any extra.

Here is the reasoning.

Brown is more valuable that Siakam. He is viewed that way around the league, and ESPECIALLY to the Trailblazers at this point in time. Brown is a guy mentioned by name from Lillard as a guy he would like to play with. This is them really pumping up their roster with,honestly, an IDEAL fit.

I know brown,extension, etc....but Siakam is also in that same boat...but is older and showed a regression a bit this past season as well where as Brown reached his highest levels yet.

Siakam and #13 + Simons and #3, imo. (Siakam older, expiring)
Brown is worth #3 and Simons..no pick

So, imo, pick needs to come to Boston

I'm not sure TOR is going to want to give up #13 for Simons. Even if that's fair, I think they'd rather not do that piece. I do think POR would be fine with Simons/#3 for Brown, nothing else.

So how about this...

POR gives: Simons, #3
POR gets: Brown, Pritchard, Muscala (they have TPE that fits the last two both)

Why? Get their star SF and a couple of bench shooters to round out the rotation. Assuming re-signings, they'd have:

Dame / Pritchard
Sharpe / Thybulle (re-sign)
Brown / Reddish (re-sign)
Grant (re-sign) / Little
Nurkic / Muscala

Plus a MLE. Not a bad start.

TOR gives: Siakam
TOR gets: #3, Gallinari, Champagnie

Why? Save a TON of money this year and long-term. Great pick value for Siakam. Should be easy to re-sign FVV/Poeltl/GTJ and extend OG. Assuming they take Miller at #3, their core rotation would be:

FVV (re-sign) / Flynn
Miller (#3 pick) / GTJ (re-sign)
OG (extend)
Barnes / Achiuwa
Poeltl (re-sign) / Boucher / Koloko

plus the #13 pick that they get to keep

BOS gives: Brown, Pritchard, Gallo, Muscala, Champagnie
BOS gets: Siakam, Simons

Why? We turn Brown into a suitable #2 and then some bench fodder into a good young guard in Simons. It sets us up with:

Smart / Brogdon
White / Simons
Tatum / Hauser
Siakam / Grant (re-sign?)
Horford / RWilliams

Probably need to look at moving one of the guards. But this is just an idea to extract the most value possible. This is a nice starting point to be dealing from.

I actually really like Simons for this team if we do deal Brown. Without Brown we're kind of light on shot creation on the perimeter outside of Tatum. So he fits well here. Brogdon or Smart would be the guys to move here, IMO.

[Larry_Russell]

Spoiler:

I think it's pretty clean in terms of trade value... Brown = Siakam = #3. And then Simons = #13. I just don't see why BOS would be entitled to more value than Siakam for Brown. And on the POR side, feels like if #3 = Brown then they should get paid for Simons.

You're probably right though that push comes to shove that POR would be willing to do #3/Simons for just Brown. So maybe BOS can squeeze out some extra value. But seems fair enough to me without any extra.

Here is the reasoning.

Brown is more valuable that Siakam. He is viewed that way around the league, and ESPECIALLY to the Trailblazers at this point in time. Brown is a guy mentioned by name from Lillard as a guy he would like to play with. This is them really pumping up their roster with,honestly, an IDEAL fit.

I know brown,extension, etc....but Siakam is also in that same boat...but is older and showed a regression a bit this past season as well where as Brown reached his highest levels yet.

Siakam and #13 + Simons and #3, imo. (Siakam older, expiring)
Brown is worth #3 and Simons..no pick

So, imo, pick needs to come to Boston

I'm not sure TOR is going to want to give up #13 for Simons. Even if that's fair, I think they'd rather not do that piece. I do think POR would be fine with Simons/#3 for Brown, nothing else.

So how about this...

POR gives: Simons, #3
POR gets: Brown, Pritchard, Muscala (they have TPE that fits the last two both)

Why? Get their star SF and a couple of bench shooters to round out the rotation. Assuming re-signings, they'd have:

Dame / Pritchard
Sharpe / Thybulle (re-sign)
Brown / Reddish (re-sign)
Grant (re-sign) / Little
Nurkic / Muscala

Plus a MLE. Not a bad start.

TOR gives: Siakam
TOR gets: #3, Gallinari, Champagnie

Why? Save a TON of money this year and long-term. Great pick value for Siakam. Should be easy to re-sign FVV/Poeltl/GTJ and extend OG. Assuming they take Miller at #3, their core rotation would be:

FVV (re-sign) / Flynn
Miller (#3 pick) / GTJ (re-sign)
OG (extend)
Barnes / Achiuwa
Poeltl (re-sign) / Boucher / Koloko

plus the #13 pick that they get to keep

BOS gives: Brown, Pritchard, Gallo, Muscala, Champagnie
BOS gets: Siakam, Simons

Why? We turn Brown into a suitable #2 and then some bench fodder into a good young guard in Simons. It sets us up with:

Smart / Brogdon
White / Simons
Tatum / Hauser
Siakam / Grant (re-sign?)
Horford / RWilliams

Probably need to look at moving one of the guards. But this is just an idea to extract the most value possible. This is a nice starting point to be dealing from.

I actually really like Simons for this team if we do deal Brown. Without Brown we're kind of light on shot creation on the perimeter outside of Tatum. So he fits well here. Brogdon or Smart would be the guys to move here, IMO.

Done.

I personally would start Simons. I really believe this kid is due for a big breakout a-la MArkannen. And if nothing else his skill set is better served beside Smart and Tatum, imo. He is lighting quick, and has 3 level scoring with great outside shooting.

Kid was in both the dunk constest and the 3pt contest in the last few years...thats shows his talent at scoring the ball.

Simons/Brogdon
Smart/White
Tatum/????
Siakam/Grant
RWIlliams/Horford

Need to nab a backup SF...I have no faith in Hauser filling that role personally.

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[Cricket23]

Siakam would be a great fit, but I think trading Brown for him is unnecessary. When you read articles with anonymous GMs and that sort of thing, the word that comes out is that Siakam doesn't have nearly as much value as some would think.

My proposed trade would be

Boston gets Siakam

Toronto gets Brogdon, Grant S & T, Pritchard, and a top 4 protected 1st. Toronto wanted Brogdon when we traded for him. Toronto needs guards and shooting. They want to contend now and in the future. This checks all of the boxes for them.

Re-signing Siakam will be more affordable than Brown's contract. You go a year with a super team, and then trade Brown after a year for a young big and a PG. A fully locked in Brown will get Boston a Donovan Mitchell level package.

Timelord/Al
Siakam/Gallo
Tatum/Hauser
Brown/White
Smart/Westbeast MLE

[Larry_Russell]

Siakam would be a great fit, but I think trading Brown for him is unnecessary. When you read articles with anonymous GMs and that sort of thing, the word that comes out is that Siakam doesn't have nearly as much value as some would think.

My proposed trade would be

Boston gets Siakam

Toronto gets Brogdon, Grant S & T, Pritchard, and a top 4 protected 1st. Toronto wanted Brogdon when we traded for him. Toronto needs guards and shooting. They want to contend now and in the future. This checks all of the boxes for them.

Re-signing Siakam will be more affordable than Brown's contract. You go a year with a super team, and then trade Brown after a year for a young big and a PG. A fully locked in Brown will get Boston a Donovan Mitchell level package.

Timelord/Al
Siakam/Gallo
Tatum/Hauser
Brown/White
Smart/Westbeast MLE

If that is all it takes for siakam then a million yes

[Cricket23]

Siakam would be a great fit, but I think trading Brown for him is unnecessary. When you read articles with anonymous GMs and that sort of thing, the word that comes out is that Siakam doesn't have nearly as much value as some would think.

My proposed trade would be

Boston gets Siakam

Toronto gets Brogdon, Grant S & T, Pritchard, and a top 4 protected 1st. Toronto wanted Brogdon when we traded for him. Toronto needs guards and shooting. They want to contend now and in the future. This checks all of the boxes for them.

Re-signing Siakam will be more affordable than Brown's contract. You go a year with a super team, and then trade Brown after a year for a young big and a PG. A fully locked in Brown will get Boston a Donovan Mitchell level package.

Timelord/Al
Siakam/Gallo
Tatum/Hauser
Brown/White
Smart/Westbeast MLE

If that is all it takes for siakam then a million yes

Siakam is an interesting situation because him and OG both have a year left. It would seem likely that they prefer to keep OG because he's younger, cheaper, and Siakam's best position is the same as Barnes.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Can't see Jaylen getting dealt due to his contract situation.

Can see Larry Russell posting 500 different Jaylen trades by end of June.

[BK_2020]

The Celtics brass have been trying to trade Jaylen for a while. I cannot imagine they view him as a 35% max player.

[Cricket23]

The Celtics brass have been trying to trade Jaylen for a while. I cannot imagine they view him as a 35% max player.

If you try to trade a player that every team would want, he gets traded.

[snowman]

Sorry guys, but I still stand by my view of not trading ANYONE from the 10. Other than breaking up the starters, which is a bad idea, the 2nd 5 are more valuable to us than any other team.

Smart (I have wavered on him, but am back on the band wagon)
Brown (sign him to the max, trade him later if needed)
Tatum (will be an MVP someday)
Rob Williams (game changer on both sides of the court, just needs to be on the court more)
Horford (vet leader of the team, but might need to come off the bench next season)
Brogdon (injury issues have hurt him this series, but has been the best move of last season)
White (best player this series by far, needs to be starting point guard next season)
Grant (resign him as long as he can be gotten for less than 13 mil a season. If not, resign and then trade at trade deadline)
Hauser (good shooter, good contract, better defense than expected)
Muscala (good shooter, good contract. I believe he is like White was 2 years ago, and still learning the defense and rotations.)

With that being said, Pritchard, Gallo (depending on his health), Kornet, Blake and Champagnie (should be on summer league team) should all be fighting for their lives (roster spot) to upgrade the team.

I would trade Pritchard and Kornet (pick up his option) in a 2 for 1. Salaries combined are right at 6.5 million. Trade to Toronto for Otto Porter or similar player. Porter (or similar) would be a really good backup for Brown and Tatum.
EXAMPLE trade approved:
Payton Pritchard
25 year old, 6-2, 190 lb PG from Oregon
5.6 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 1.3 apg in 13.4 minutes in 2022-2023
Luke Kornet
27 year old, 7-2, 252 lb F from Vanderbilt
3.8 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.8 apg in 11.7 minutes in 2022-2023
Outgoing Players
Otto Porter
29 year old, 6-8, 228 lb SF from Georgetown
5.5 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 1.0 apg in 18.3 minutes in 2022-2023


Release Blake
Sign both JD (replaces Pritchard) and Kabengele (replaces Blake).
***Champagnie, whoever we chose at pick 35, Madar and Begarin playing summer league for a roster spot.***

White, Smart, Brown, Tatum, Rob Williams
JD, Brogdon, Porter, Grant Williams, Horford
***Winner ***, Hauser, Muscala, Gallo, Kabengele

[zoyathedestroya]

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If this happens, I will finally quit the Celtics lol. Yes, let's get an even lower IQ player and much worse on defense. Or does Poole go to a third team and we get Jokic?

[snowman]

just say no to Poole, unless we can get him for Pritchard and Kornet straight up. Then I'm still moving him to a third team.

[Fencer reregistered]

The Celtics brass have been trying to trade Jaylen for a while. I cannot imagine they view him as a 35% max player.

So this is the place to discuss a threadmill team?

[Fencer reregistered]

Sorry guys, but I still stand by my view of not trading ANYONE from the 10. Other than breaking up the starters, which is a bad idea, the 2nd 5 are more valuable to us than any other team.

Smart (I have wavered on him, but am back on the band wagon)
Brown (sign him to the max, trade him later if needed)
Tatum (will be an MVP someday)
Rob Williams (game changer on both sides of the court, just needs to be on the court more)
Horford (vet leader of the team, but might need to come off the bench next season)
Brogdon (injury issues have hurt him this series, but has been the best move of last season)
White (best player this series by far, needs to be starting point guard next season)
Grant (resign him as long as he can be gotten for less than 13 mil a season. If not, resign and then trade at trade deadline)
Hauser (good shooter, good contract, better defense than expected)
Muscala (good shooter, good contract. I believe he is like White was 2 years ago, and still learning the defense and rotations.)

With that being said, Pritchard, Gallo (depending on his health), Kornet, Blake and Champagnie (should be on summer league team) should all be fighting for their lives (roster spot) to upgrade the team.

I would trade Pritchard and Kornet (pick up his option) in a 2 for 1. Salaries combined are right at 6.5 million. Trade to Toronto for Otto Porter or similar player. Porter (or similar) would be a really good backup for Brown and Tatum.
EXAMPLE trade approved:
Payton Pritchard
25 year old, 6-2, 190 lb PG from Oregon
5.6 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 1.3 apg in 13.4 minutes in 2022-2023
Luke Kornet
27 year old, 7-2, 252 lb F from Vanderbilt
3.8 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.8 apg in 11.7 minutes in 2022-2023
Outgoing Players
Otto Porter
29 year old, 6-8, 228 lb SF from Georgetown
5.5 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 1.0 apg in 18.3 minutes in 2022-2023


Release Blake
Sign both JD (replaces Pritchard) and Kabengele (replaces Blake).
***Champagnie, whoever we chose at pick 35, Madar and Begarin playing summer league for a roster spot.***

White, Smart, Brown, Tatum, Rob Williams
JD, Brogdon, Porter, Grant Williams, Horford
***Winner ***, Hauser, Muscala, Gallo, Kabengele

I see nothing to upgrade right now except wing depth and project bigs, and neither is all that urgent.

[Larry_Russell]

Can't see Jaylen getting dealt due to his contract situation.

Can see Larry Russell posting 500 different Jaylen trades by end of June.

500 seems right.
I take it easy this time of year

[BK_2020]

The Celtics brass have been trying to trade Jaylen for a while. I cannot imagine they view him as a 35% max player.

So this is the place to discuss a threadmill team?

Is threadmill a team that generates a lot of RGM threads?

[Wolverine44]

The Celtics brass have been trying to trade Jaylen for a while. I cannot imagine they view him as a 35% max player.

So this is the place to discuss a threadmill team?

Is treadmill a team that generates a lot of RGM threads?

@BK
Wondering what Brown deals you view as acceptable? Honestly asking
From my perspective, I would consider the players below ( haven't considered in too much detail tax implications and salary matching concerns):
Trae
Murray
Bridges+ asset
Simons+ #3
Brandon Ingram
SGA
KAT