Warriors acquire Trayce Jackson-Davis from Wizards

[DaHef]

loon backup?

Exactly. Their scoring games are very similar, all inside the paint so you could interchange them between 1st and 2nd teams. Loon reach is 7'4", TJD is 7'0" but his added quickness should make up for that. He's a blocking machine and likes to pass.
I'm glad he's not a big that wants to hang out at the arc. I hate that.

[azwfan]

asset mgmt has been horrendous, selling low on both Wiseman/Poole, trading last year's 1st for a late 2nd this year...just poor planning across the board.

Yeah. I will say this, if we had traded PBJ for #32 and taken TJD, I wouldn't have such a strong reaction even though in the end its the same net result. But yeah, #57 is the type of pick you get by trading away a future 2nd or a small amt of cash so it stings more.

Yeah it's not great asset management... but Dunleavy wasn't the primary on all those decisions. The problem is that we'd have too many young guys and not enough PT. If you take TJD but keep PBJ, is PBJ just playing in the G-League all next year? TJD is 23 and looks ahead of PBJ in terms of being able to play in the NBA and defend. As sweet as PBJ's jumper looks, it doesn't take long to look at 10 mins of TJD footage to see that he can do the basic finishing/cuts around the rim with a move or two that we sorely lacked, and a bit of rim protection. PBJ was just too weak on defense to realistically be getting enough time yet, as amazingly sweet as that jumper looked (and I WILL miss him).

at least mdj doesn't believe in sunken cost fallacy. cut bait on pbj quick in favor of TJD

Definitely. Tick tock on the core, we got the exact type of guy I was hoping we for -- a tall older guy at 6'9 who can hold his own and looks like he could make some contributions off the bench this season. Basic finishes and defense, man we could have used some of that vs. the Lakers, there were so many easy buckets Steph set up but we had nobody to make the finish. Steph draws a crowd many feet from the 3pt line and somehow we can't convert at the rim, it was maddening. No idea if he can actually hack it for us, but it's worth a shot as I doubt PBJ was getting minutes and we are running out of time here.

Good job Dunleavy.

The issue isnt the trade. The issue is the original pick - the trade just slaps in our face what was already obvious after taking out the fanaticism. PBJ was a terrible pick at the time, and terrible pick now. We took an injured teenager who didnt play a full season, and who didnt play well except for a few of the games he did play (against weak competition). And we did this a few weeks after winning the title knowing it was going to be tough to retain some bench players due to money.

Bad direction. Bad pick then. Bad pick now.

At least with the Wiseman, JK, and Moody picks theres a thought process that makes sense with the knowledge at the time. This made zero sense.

Wonder if Bob had already checked out by end of the title run.

[WarriorGM]

Yeah. I will say this, if we had traded PBJ for #32 and taken TJD, I wouldn't have such a strong reaction even though in the end its the same net result. But yeah, #57 is the type of pick you get by trading away a future 2nd or a small amt of cash so it stings more.

Yeah it's not great asset management... but Dunleavy wasn't the primary on all those decisions. The problem is that we'd have too many young guys and not enough PT. If you take TJD but keep PBJ, is PBJ just playing in the G-League all next year? TJD is 23 and looks ahead of PBJ in terms of being able to play in the NBA and defend. As sweet as PBJ's jumper looks, it doesn't take long to look at 10 mins of TJD footage to see that he can do the basic finishing/cuts around the rim with a move or two that we sorely lacked, and a bit of rim protection. PBJ was just too weak on defense to realistically be getting enough time yet, as amazingly sweet as that jumper looked (and I WILL miss him).

at least mdj doesn't believe in sunken cost fallacy. cut bait on pbj quick in favor of TJD

Definitely. Tick tock on the core, we got the exact type of guy I was hoping we for -- a tall older guy at 6'9 who can hold his own and looks like he could make some contributions off the bench this season. Basic finishes and defense, man we could have used some of that vs. the Lakers, there were so many easy buckets Steph set up but we had nobody to make the finish. Steph draws a crowd many feet from the 3pt line and somehow we can't convert at the rim, it was maddening. No idea if he can actually hack it for us, but it's worth a shot as I doubt PBJ was getting minutes and we are running out of time here.

Good job Dunleavy.

The issue isnt the trade. The issue is the original pick - the trade just slaps in our face what was already obvious after taking out the fanaticism. PBJ was a terrible pick at the time, and terrible pick now. We took an injured teenager who didnt play a full season, and who didnt play well except for a few of the games he did play (against weak competition). And we did this a few weeks after winning the title knowing it was going to be tough to retain some bench players due to money.

Bad direction. Bad pick then. Bad pick now.

At least with the Wiseman, JK, and Moody picks theres a thought process that makes sense with the knowledge at the time. This made zero sense.

Wonder if Bob had already checked out by end of the title run.

I don't think the pick is the issue. I think the issue was not trading picks for more experienced players.

[Warriorfan]

Blame Kerr who doesn't want to play/develop rookies.

Kerr is HOF coach but IMO more like Phil Jackson
1 system/motivator then POP/Spoelstra adapt the system to personell.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Pbj, just like poole was a salary dump.

Trading pbj for tjd saves lacob 10M next year.

[CDM_Stats]

Pbj, just like poole was a salary dump.

Trading pbj for tjd saves lacob 10M next year.

If the CP3 contract is used as a trade chip next offseason, it is certainly not a salary dump. And all signs are pointing to that being the case

[CDM_Stats]

Yeah it's not great asset management... but Dunleavy wasn't the primary on all those decisions. The problem is that we'd have too many young guys and not enough PT. If you take TJD but keep PBJ, is PBJ just playing in the G-League all next year? TJD is 23 and looks ahead of PBJ in terms of being able to play in the NBA and defend. As sweet as PBJ's jumper looks, it doesn't take long to look at 10 mins of TJD footage to see that he can do the basic finishing/cuts around the rim with a move or two that we sorely lacked, and a bit of rim protection. PBJ was just too weak on defense to realistically be getting enough time yet, as amazingly sweet as that jumper looked (and I WILL miss him).



Definitely. Tick tock on the core, we got the exact type of guy I was hoping we for -- a tall older guy at 6'9 who can hold his own and looks like he could make some contributions off the bench this season. Basic finishes and defense, man we could have used some of that vs. the Lakers, there were so many easy buckets Steph set up but we had nobody to make the finish. Steph draws a crowd many feet from the 3pt line and somehow we can't convert at the rim, it was maddening. No idea if he can actually hack it for us, but it's worth a shot as I doubt PBJ was getting minutes and we are running out of time here.

Good job Dunleavy.

The issue isnt the trade. The issue is the original pick - the trade just slaps in our face what was already obvious after taking out the fanaticism. PBJ was a terrible pick at the time, and terrible pick now. We took an injured teenager who didnt play a full season, and who didnt play well except for a few of the games he did play (against weak competition). And we did this a few weeks after winning the title knowing it was going to be tough to retain some bench players due to money.

Bad direction. Bad pick then. Bad pick now.

At least with the Wiseman, JK, and Moody picks theres a thought process that makes sense with the knowledge at the time. This made zero sense.

Wonder if Bob had already checked out by end of the title run.

I don't think the pick is the issue. I think the issue was not trading picks for more experienced players.

You need more than the willingness to trade a pick.. to trade for a vet you have to match salary, and that means another vet is going out. So the idea would be to get a better vet than we currently had, but who knows whos actually available? Its easy to say "just make a trade" in retrospect but back then, how would that work? How do the salaries work?

This is why the CP3 trade is so perfect.. next offseason we can morph his salary into whatever we need it to be to make a deal

[Onus]

Yeah. I will say this, if we had traded PBJ for #32 and taken TJD, I wouldn't have such a strong reaction even though in the end its the same net result. But yeah, #57 is the type of pick you get by trading away a future 2nd or a small amt of cash so it stings more.

Yeah it's not great asset management... but Dunleavy wasn't the primary on all those decisions. The problem is that we'd have too many young guys and not enough PT. If you take TJD but keep PBJ, is PBJ just playing in the G-League all next year? TJD is 23 and looks ahead of PBJ in terms of being able to play in the NBA and defend. As sweet as PBJ's jumper looks, it doesn't take long to look at 10 mins of TJD footage to see that he can do the basic finishing/cuts around the rim with a move or two that we sorely lacked, and a bit of rim protection. PBJ was just too weak on defense to realistically be getting enough time yet, as amazingly sweet as that jumper looked (and I WILL miss him).

at least mdj doesn't believe in sunken cost fallacy. cut bait on pbj quick in favor of TJD

Definitely. Tick tock on the core, we got the exact type of guy I was hoping we for -- a tall older guy at 6'9 who can hold his own and looks like he could make some contributions off the bench this season. Basic finishes and defense, man we could have used some of that vs. the Lakers, there were so many easy buckets Steph set up but we had nobody to make the finish. Steph draws a crowd many feet from the 3pt line and somehow we can't convert at the rim, it was maddening. No idea if he can actually hack it for us, but it's worth a shot as I doubt PBJ was getting minutes and we are running out of time here.

Good job Dunleavy.

The issue isnt the trade. The issue is the original pick - the trade just slaps in our face what was already obvious after taking out the fanaticism. PBJ was a terrible pick at the time, and terrible pick now. We took an injured teenager who didnt play a full season, and who didnt play well except for a few of the games he did play (against weak competition). And we did this a few weeks after winning the title knowing it was going to be tough to retain some bench players due to money.

Bad direction. Bad pick then. Bad pick now.

At least with the Wiseman, JK, and Moody picks theres a thought process that makes sense with the knowledge at the time. This made zero sense.

Wonder if Bob had already checked out by end of the title run.

Really seems like they were drunk from the title and thought the core would be fine with just 7 /8 players and everyone else wouldn’t matter. Just too much hubris and drunk off of success.

[clyde21]

TJD is 6-9 but does have a 7-1 wingspan, good mobility, BIG hands too, can really catch it, decent inside-out passer, good footwork...generally speaking he doesn't have a lot of great fits around the league but on this team he's a great fit

[KevinMcreynolds]

dude has about the same quickness as my grandmother

[thunderdunk]

Really could be another Looney'esque coup. I think he slipped because he projects as an undersized center not really as a modern PF. Undersized C is kinda what we do.

I also think he slipped because he shot zero threes in college. He seems to me to be a perfect BU for Looney, which they've needed for 2+ years now.

[oaktownwarriors87]

I don’t see him having a role in today’s NBA. Seems like a mini salary dump to me.

He's a good facilitator. He can step into Looney and Greens roles on offense. He's a bit taller than Looney with two inches less in wingspan. His combine numbers are probably most comparable to Al Horfords.


TJD
Height 6' 8.25''
Wingspan 7' 1.00''
Weight 240.4
Hands 9.25" x 10.75"
Agility 11.80
Shuttle 3.23
Sprint 3.20
Standing max reach 11'7.00"
Max reach 11'10.50"

Horford
Height 6' 8''
Wingspan 7' 0.75"
Weight 246.0
Hands ----
Agility 12.15
Shuttle ----
Sprint 3.37
Standing max reach 11'6.00"
Max reach 11'10.5"

Looney
Height 6' 8''
Wingspan 7' 3.5''
Weight 222.4
Hands 9.50" x 9.25"
Agility ----
Shuttle ----
Sprint ----
Standing max reach ----
Max reach ----

Green
Height 6' 5.75''
Wingspan 7' 1.25''
Weight 235.6
Hands 9.00" x 9.50"
Agility 11.01
Shuttle ----
Sprint 3.40
Standing max reach 11'2.00"
Max reach 11'6.00"


He takes his time with his back to the basket, which he wont get away with in the NBA. Curry and Paul will be able to get him plenty of good looks at the rim and he can facilitate facing up like Looney and Green. He has good awareness and hands. He's also a much bigger threat to drive/cut and finish if teams don't face him up. He also has great timing on his shot blocking. He doesn't gather himself to much when he throws it down or blocks shots, which I like. That quick leap helps him play bigger than he actually is.

Xavier Tilman is the only current NBA players drafted in the last decade with wider hands than TJD.

[Twinkie defense]

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He'll probably contribute more than James Wiseman right out of the gate.

[Twinkie defense]

it's an all lefty draft.

Watch on YouTube

Wow - I know this is a highlight reel but he looks more skilled than I would have thought. Evaluators are so hung up on metrics vs. film and he looks like a guy who gets passed up because he's "too small" for his position, he's a "tweener" ... but he looks like a basketball player to me.

[clyde21]

I don’t see him having a role in today’s NBA. Seems like a mini salary dump to me.

He's a good facilitator. He can step into Looney and Greens roles on offense. He's a bit taller than Looney with two inches less in wingspan. His combine numbers are probably most comparable to Al Horfords.


TJD
Height 6' 8.25''
Wingspan 7' 1.00''
Weight 240.4
Hands 9.25" x 10.75"
Agility 11.80
Shuttle 3.23
Sprint 3.20
Standing max reach 11'7.00"
Max reach 11'10.50"

Horford
Height 6' 8''
Wingspan 7' 0.75"
Weight 246.0
Hands ----
Agility 12.15
Shuttle ----
Sprint 3.37
Standing max reach 11'6.00"
Max reach 11'10.5"

Looney
Height 6' 8''
Wingspan 7' 3.5''
Weight 222.4
Hands 9.50" x 9.25"
Agility ----
Shuttle ----
Sprint ----
Standing max reach ----
Max reach ----

Green
Height 6' 5.75''
Wingspan 7' 1.25''
Weight 235.6
Hands 9.00" x 9.50"
Agility 11.01
Shuttle ----
Sprint 3.40
Standing max reach 11'2.00"
Max reach 11'6.00"


He takes his time with his back to the basket, which he wont get away with in the NBA. Curry and Paul will be able to get him plenty of good looks at the rim and he can facilitate facing up like Looney and Green. He has good awareness and hands. He's also a much bigger threat to drive/cut and finish if teams don't face him up. He also has great timing on his shot blocking. He doesn't gather himself to much when he throws it down or blocks shots, which I like. That quick leap helps him play bigger than he actually is.

the problem with TJD is poor standing reach, it's sub 9, he has a long neck so while he's listed at 6-9 functionally he's probably 6-8, the 7-1 wingspan is nice, along with big hands, but yea, out of all the centers in this class he has the 2nd lowest standing reach b/c of it

likely part of the reason he dropped now that I think about

[DAWill1128]

Will be nice to have a lob threat again, and a vertical threat on offense was something that was missing. Dray was throwing up these lobs for Looney and JMG that were absolute duds on the receiving end.

A bigger guy as in 6-7+ who can shoot the ball is still a need. Wiggins is the only big body who can hit an outside shot. I don't want to see teams play a 5 on 3 defense next year, imo that was our biggest weakness.

[oaktownwarriors87]

I don’t see him having a role in today’s NBA. Seems like a mini salary dump to me.

He's a good facilitator. He can step into Looney and Greens roles on offense. He's a bit taller than Looney with two inches less in wingspan. His combine numbers are probably most comparable to Al Horfords.


TJD
Height 6' 8.25''
Wingspan 7' 1.00''
Weight 240.4
Hands 9.25" x 10.75"
Agility 11.80
Shuttle 3.23
Sprint 3.20
Standing max reach 11'7.00"
Max reach 11'10.50"

Horford
Height 6' 8''
Wingspan 7' 0.75"
Weight 246.0
Hands ----
Agility 12.15
Shuttle ----
Sprint 3.37
Standing max reach 11'6.00"
Max reach 11'10.5"

Looney
Height 6' 8''
Wingspan 7' 3.5''
Weight 222.4
Hands 9.50" x 9.25"
Agility ----
Shuttle ----
Sprint ----
Standing max reach ----
Max reach ----

Green
Height 6' 5.75''
Wingspan 7' 1.25''
Weight 235.6
Hands 9.00" x 9.50"
Agility 11.01
Shuttle ----
Sprint 3.40
Standing max reach 11'2.00"
Max reach 11'6.00"


He takes his time with his back to the basket, which he wont get away with in the NBA. Curry and Paul will be able to get him plenty of good looks at the rim and he can facilitate facing up like Looney and Green. He has good awareness and hands. He's also a much bigger threat to drive/cut and finish if teams don't face him up. He also has great timing on his shot blocking. He doesn't gather himself to much when he throws it down or blocks shots, which I like. That quick leap helps him play bigger than he actually is.

the problem with TJD is poor standing reach, it's sub 9, he has a long neck so while he's listed at 6-9 functionally he's probably 6-8, the 7-1 wingspan is nice, along with big hands, but yea, out of all the centers in this class he has the 2nd lowest standing reach b/c of it

likely part of the reason he dropped now that I think about

Players flub their standing reach to get bigger verticals. I think he did, which is why he has a 36.5" vert (the highest of all centers in the draft)

That's why I like to list max reach and max standing reach. Vert, max vert and play standing reach are frequently distorted.

Look at Harrison Barnes. 6' 7''without shoes and a 6' 11.25'' wingspan. His standing reach was only 8' 5.5''. That helped him get a 39.5" vertical. Compared to Stephen Curry he is 5" taller with 7.75" more in wingspan, yet his his standing reach is only 4.5" taller instead of the 8" or 9" you would expect. Barnes flubbed that number to try and hit 40".

Another example is that Donte Cunningham. He is the same height as Barnes with shorter arms and his reach is 5" higher. That dude had a long neck, too.

[CDM_Stats]

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He'll probably contribute more than James Wiseman right out of the gate.

Well yeah... TDJ is older than him by a year, today.. if he doesn't contribute more than Wiseman, holy ****

[CDM_Stats]

it's an all lefty draft.

Watch on YouTube

Wow - I know this is a highlight reel but he looks more skilled than I would have thought. Evaluators are so hung up on metrics vs. film and he looks like a guy who gets passed up because he's "too small" for his position, he's a "tweener" ... but he looks like a basketball player to me.

this is the Warrior way
find quality smart players, because they can adjust to our system

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

Draft age only depends where the organization/ball club is at. For us specifically, we don't have time to wait for them to blossom or bust on a WIN-NOW team.

At 23 years old, showed he can produce efficiently enough within high-level competition, with 4 years of organized, college basketball for title contending team possibly going far into the postseason, you take a guy like TJD. He does so many things so well, but the only knock/red flag for him is that he doesn't have a jumper for a 5 and teams pass up on him? I'll take a multi-skilled player over a one-dimensional player any day, thank you very much!