Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3

[the_process]

the sneaky thing about a Dame trade is that Portland was probably the best landing spot for Biid for a good "haul"

now we are stuck with the possibility of the Knicks scraps lol

what a time

I will put a mortgage payment down that Embiid will not be traded to the Knicks, that's strictly a media thing. The assets there are vastly overrated.

[the_process]

Whining? My confidence in the 6ers front office is growing.

It seems pretty clear they are looking to make a big retool around Joel and Maxey in 2024 when (at least right now) guys like Jaylen Brown, Siakam, OG, Dejounte Murray and others are FAs.

Since the day they traded for Harden, I said 3 season run and then retool. So, I'm on board with what looks to be the plan. Let Pat and PJ convince Harden to stay, or trade him for expirings, 1 rotational young guy and a pick or 2. Either way, is aces to me.

At least they have a coherent plan now. Baby steps.

[sixers hoops]

What is the offer you are referring to?

I believe:
Powell
Mann
Covington
Fillers
2028 and 2030 first rounders

Powell, Mann, Covington and two 1sts? That's a great return for an expiring Harden, assuming one of those 1sts is unprotected. Mann and the picks are assets for future deals as well, which the Sixers currently have practically none of.

I don't think the Clippers are offering that, though. I'm also sure that Morey is asking for Kawhi or Paul George.

I was assuming we can get two unprotected picks. They doing have much to offer without the picks. Powell has a long term commitment so taking him is neutral to negative value. Cov is cap filler at this point. Mann is a nice player, but that’s about it. Without the firsts, they don’t have much to offer. I would assume Morey would let James’s reps know that he is not going to the Clips because they don’t have a competitive trade package. That would be between him and the Clips, but Morey doesn’t seem like us will be forced into anything.

[ProcessDoctor]

Wow Morey is cooked.

[Murray_17]

If the team is the Clippers they are gonna be happy to send picks because they want to cut expenses for the coming years, that's not an issue.

And yet i don't think the Harden situation gets solved until you have news on what Lillard wants to do. If teams can trade for Lillard, Harden becomes a second thought, once Lillard decides to stay or go we're gonna know what it's the real Harden market.

As for Pat Bev, who cares is a one-year minimum contract, people like to overreact

[Kobblehead]

Lakers are killing it.

All their players are below market value.

Rui got 4-72. That's a little higher than I thought he'd get.

But they're the Lakers. League office assistance goes a long way.

Reports were 3 years, $51m for Rui.

$17m per year for a guy with his size and playoff efficiency is insane value.

[Jailblazers7]

My guess is that Powell & Roco are definitely in the deal but the sticking point is Mann & the number of picks. Clippers would rather include Batum but we’ll insist on Mann. We’ll want both picks & Clippers only want to give up one.

We’d probably prefer to avoid Powell’s long-term money but I think you need him in the deal to sell it to Embiid & get his sign off.

Powell/Roco/Mann/1st for Harden feels like the logical conclusion to these negotiations. And that’s a great result that makes us a better team than last year imo.

[Murray_17]

Also, Pat Bev is an okay signing as long as you don't use the MLE on him, which i think we still have.

[Jailblazers7]

I’m mostly bummed I have to watch Pat Bev act like a clown for a full season.

[the_process]

I believe:
Powell
Mann
Covington
Fillers
2028 and 2030 first rounders

Powell, Mann, Covington and two 1sts? That's a great return for an expiring Harden, assuming one of those 1sts is unprotected. Mann and the picks are assets for future deals as well, which the Sixers currently have practically none of.

I don't think the Clippers are offering that, though. I'm also sure that Morey is asking for Kawhi or Paul George.

I was assuming we can get two unprotected picks. They doing have much to offer without the picks. Powell has a long term commitment so taking him is neutral to negative value. Cov is cap filler at this point. Mann is a nice player, but that’s about it. Without the firsts, they don’t have much to offer. I would assume Morey would let James’s reps know that he is not going to the Clips because they don’t have a competitive trade package. That would be between him and the Clips, but Morey doesn’t seem like us will be forced into anything.

There's no way they get two UNP 1sts for an expiring contract whom the acquiring team cannot even extend. I don't think the Clippers even get full Bird rights, only Early Bird.

Let's also not pretend that Harden is not the biggest loser energy choker in the league (possibly seconded by Embiid, but that's a whole other story).

I realize Morey waited and turned Simmons into Harden. Simmons had 4 years left on his deal. Waiting again this time, however, means Harden expires and leaves for nothing. Which I kinda think is what the Sixers really want. Or at least, they wouldn't be upset if that's what happened.

I just don't think very many teams are going to be interested even if Morey opened up league wide bidding and Harden said "I'll go anywhere".

I fully expect the deal to be the three Clipper expiring contracts (Morris, Covington, Batum) plus those 2 1sts, the latter of which will be heavily protected, for Harden and Tucker. This sets up their 2024 FA plan perfectly and triples their barren asset stockpile.

Unless Morey can get in on Dame. That would completely change the calculus, obviously.

[NYSixersFan]

I’m mostly bummed I have to watch Pat Bev act like a clown for a full season.

We needed someone to replace Niang's clown antics.

[youngcrev]

My guess is that Powell & Roco are definitely in the deal but the sticking point is Mann & the number of picks. Clippers would rather include Batum but we’ll insist on Mann. We’ll want both picks & Clippers only want to give up one.

We’d probably prefer to avoid Powell’s long-term money but I think you need him in the deal to sell it to Embiid & get his sign off.

Powell/Roco/Mann/1st for Harden feels like the logical conclusion to these negotiations. And that’s a great result that makes us a better team than last year imo.

Acquiring Norman Powell ain't selling **** to Embiid and messes with cap flexibility.

Mann+picks+expirings feels like the minimum that would be acceptable, with the idea of either making a play for the next available star via trade or free agency.

[Murray_17]

I’m mostly bummed I have to watch Pat Bev act like a clown for a full season.

I mean, i get, i will hate too, but i also hated having to see the corpse of Harrell, Greg Monroe or Bayless and TLC acting like they deserve playing time.

It's what its

[TorturedFan76]

My guess is that Powell & Roco are definitely in the deal but the sticking point is Mann & the number of picks. Clippers would rather include Batum but we’ll insist on Mann. We’ll want both picks & Clippers only want to give up one.

We’d probably prefer to avoid Powell’s long-term money but I think you need him in the deal to sell it to Embiid & get his sign off.

Powell/Roco/Mann/1st for Harden feels like the logical conclusion to these negotiations. And that’s a great result that makes us a better team than last year imo.

I dont feel as though a Clippers deal is happening. I think that one could/should have happened quickly before the new league year when matching became much more difficult.

We know Morey only likes to make big splash name moves. LA didnt want to include their stars, or young players. Morey is not going to settle for a bunch of washed players, and a bad contract. It seems as though the teams are far apart and a deal only became more difficult as of midnight last night.

I think the most likely deal now is with Chicago who is reportedly open to moving LaVine and/or DeRozan.
They have the name value Morey is constantly in search of. Being willing to trade those guys gives them a better start in negotiations right off the bat as compared to LA.

Even if LA says they'll include Mann and a FRP, that's not going to tickle Morey's nuts the way names like LaVine or DeRozan would.

[the_process]

Lakers are killing it.

All their players are below market value.

Rui got 4-72. That's a little higher than I thought he'd get.

But they're the Lakers. League office assistance goes a long way.

Reports were 3 years, $51m for Rui.

$17m per year for a guy with his size and playoff efficiency is insane value.

Yeah, I see that now. Hmmm. That's better for LA obviously. Still a little bit above where I would peg Rui, but yeah. The power of being in LA.

[sixers hoops]

My guess is that Powell & Roco are definitely in the deal but the sticking point is Mann & the number of picks. Clippers would rather include Batum but we’ll insist on Mann. We’ll want both picks & Clippers only want to give up one.

We’d probably prefer to avoid Powell’s long-term money but I think you need him in the deal to sell it to Embiid & get his sign off.

Powell/Roco/Mann/1st for Harden feels like the logical conclusion to these negotiations. And that’s a great result that makes us a better team than last year imo.

We would want a first just for taking on Powell and Cov contracts, so it’s essentially Harden for Mann. I don’t see anyway Morey makes that deal.

Clippers’offer is you take the contracts we don’t want and Mann, and we will give you a first, for a guy who is still playing at a borderline All-Star level and only has a one-year commitment. If Harden had a four year albatross contract, it would make sense, but I would support Morey holding out rather than take that slop.

I think two firsts are the enticing part, but they are five and seven years away, so without two unprotected firsts, I would go elsewhere.

[GoSixersBro]

Nobody is upset about Pat Bev because of the money. I think many just expect this to be one of Daryl's few moves. I'd wager Pat Bev isn't even sniffing 20mpg by January.

[NYSixersFan]

I'm perfectly fine with taking on Powell's contract as long as the Clippers take Tucker as part of the deal.

Generally speaking, some of you are really selling Powell short. He's a very solid player and played for Nurse.

[LeonJordanJr24]

Clippers deal is all smoke. Harden is staying .. Chicago tho for Tobias is possible

[Jailblazers7]

My guess is that Powell & Roco are definitely in the deal but the sticking point is Mann & the number of picks. Clippers would rather include Batum but we’ll insist on Mann. We’ll want both picks & Clippers only want to give up one.

We’d probably prefer to avoid Powell’s long-term money but I think you need him in the deal to sell it to Embiid & get his sign off.

Powell/Roco/Mann/1st for Harden feels like the logical conclusion to these negotiations. And that’s a great result that makes us a better team than last year imo.

Acquiring Norman Powell ain't selling **** to Embiid and messes with cap flexibility.

Mann+picks+expirings feels like the minimum that would be acceptable, with the idea of either making a play for the next available star via trade or free agency.

We just gave PJ Tucker’s corpse 3yrs/$33M because Embiid demanded it, he doesn’t care about the cap. Powell is a good player that Nurse knows well & can help win games this season. Selling Embiid on another lost season is going to be very difficult.

The dark horse probably is Lavine since he’s a Hanlen guy so Embiid would knows him well. I think it’s telling tho that there were lots of Beal rumors linked to Embiid but zero regarding Lavine. Plus his knee issues present a massive risk.