Skybox wrote:jonbob17 wrote:Skybox wrote:
I’d say those ships may have sailed, for now at least.
- no doubt that we could have gotten Herro for a couple of firsts that MIA needed for the Dame sweepstakes
- pretty sure Simons was a highly-paid, extra piece in POR…until Dame was moved. Sharpe & Scoot has got to be their backcourt and, I think, $25m per is a bit much for a third guard for a rebuilding team. They may still be featuring Simons to boost his value. He’s too small and limited defensively to pair with Scoot. I imagine it reminds them of Dame/CJ - both immensely talented, but they waited way too long (and too many $$) to acknowledge the fit just wasn’t good. Plus, POR now has a good young core and a pick in '24 and '25 would be a lot more interesting than 5 years down the road, when Scoot and Sharpe are in their primes and maybe ready to contend.
Look at the prognosis for the TWO lottery picks we just drafted…3rd stringers that might contribute in ‘25?One solid, proven, young starter would be way more impactful than both prospects. MIA is win-now, so we really don’t have anything to trade them, unless it’s a 3-way that gets them a star. Simons might still be in play…either would be a huge get for us, imo.
You think so?
Portland got:
Deandre Ayton
unprotected Milwaukee first
two unprotected Milwaukee swaps
2024 first round Warriors
2029 unprotected first Celtics
Rob Williams (probably worth two firsts)
Brogdon (maybe worth 1 first)
I just don't know how Miami could beat that if we gave them a couple of firsts for Herro. Miami's two firsts plus Orlando's plus Jaquez and Jovic, and I love Jaquez, that was the draft pick that made me cringe the most this year...not the heat.
Is Herro > than Williams? I don't know...Herro also gets paid $30M vs Williams $12M. Herro could breakout and make this look silly, he'll have every opportunity this year playing next to Butler and Bam.
You're totally missing the point. POR didn't have a use for Herro, so MIA needed to bury them in picks-which they didn't have. A frp from DEN is of marginal value, but so are picks from MIL, BOS, and GSW. MIA would have to add their own picks, salaries, and prospects but two more firsts (including a potentially more enticing ORL '24 (with some minimal protection)) would be ADDED to their offering.
PHO was ready to dump Ayton for Nurkic +, so that could have happened anyway. If MIA had approached respectfully, months ago, with a package of 4 legit frps (not swaps or contenders' frps), Jovic and/or Jacquez, Lowry & Fultz/Harris' expiring salaries...MIL would never have even gotten to enter the conversation.
Rob Williams isn't getting you 2 frps any more than Isaac is and it takes a LOT of luck for those picks to amount to anything (MAYBE MAYBE one of them falls into the year after the downfall of a perennial contender). Herro is MUCH better than Williams, even if you take out Williams' availability issues. I like Williams and would still like to get him...but it's not like you can plug him in to start and play big minutes. He's a nice one-dimensional, undersized, rotation piece that can't stay on the court. Herro is very young and scores 20ppg inside and out as a distant third option.
I didn't miss the point. I just think Portland got way more value from Milwaukee than what Miami could offer them, even if they included a third team taking Herro. Like to the point where Milwaukee and Boston may win less games during the regular season because of what they gave up respectively,
If Miami were to move Herro and friends, involving a third team or otherwise, Miami probably goes from a team projected as a potential play in team to possibly the favorite in the East....now some of that is roster build, but the other is just how much better Lillard is than Herro. Lillard vs Holiday...ehh...closer than it looks which is why Portland was able to turn Holiday into so much from Boston.
Look Herro is fine, and I fully expect him to put up big numbers this year given the void of offense down in MIami, and this argument may seem awful a year from now, but if we are just looking at Herro at this point, some could probaly argue that contract is neutral (or worse). This is age 24 season, he still has a lot of room to grow.
I think on most contending teams Rob Williams >>> than Herro....maybe not to the offense starved Orlando and Miami teams....or at least on last year's Orlando team...Personally i think we are going to be just fine this year offensively...
Also the Milwaukee picks look like gold to me. I'd be surprised if Giannis signed another contract and stayed in Milwaukee for the remainder of his prime. Who knows what boston looks like in 6 years too...Both Milwaukee and Boston just made all in moves. they could be a shell of themselves in 3 years.
). If Wiseman looks great, WCJ could play at 4 (his natural spot) next to him at times as they could be a deep, big frontcourt with all kinds of looks with Isaac, Olynyk, and M. Wagner having a lot of positional versatility.