Magic Sign G Jalen Suggs to a 5 year, 150.5M Contract Extension

[zaymon]

Yeah, I think again the takeaway is how integral certain players are to what your team’s identity happens to be.

Draymond Green makes a zillion dollars with the Warriors because he is a huge part of their system. He is probably an average starter or role player on any other team because hes a system guy that doesn’t translate everywhere. This is why they would sooner let Klay walk.

Jaden McDaniels has the positional versatility that Suggs doesn’t at 6’10. He still has to make sense in their system to justify paying him that contract amount as their 4th/5th option on offense.

If Orlando wasn’t toward the top of the league defensively, and winning most games because of it, then people wouldn’t need to make an argument that Suggs doesn’t need to get paid X amount of money. It’s the same argument for Denver wanting to keep KCP relative to what he does for them.

This is kinda why I don’t necessarily like the JI signing in a vacuum because he plays the same exact position as the guy that needs to be on floor for 90% of the time to win games. It’s just a stupid use of money if there weren’t contract stipulations. Suggs, Paolo, and Franz are the guys you pay. You fill the rest of the roster with guys that compliment them. The FO still hasn’t done that.

Yeah, I agree that Suggs shouldn’t get max, or anything really close to it. They have a strong argument for a good contract though because of top 10 defense and MIP voting last season. That’s not really an opinion. It’s the leverage they have. I don’t get the rookie year argument people keep parroting. Nobody pays players for their rookie year. They pay for progression and their latest season if they are still under a rookie contract.

I think where we differ is that i think we are building around Paolo and Franz and you think we are building around Paolo, Franz and Jalen.

It will be even harder to build around 3 players in the new cba. I also dont think Suggs is good enough o build around.
Green was the mastermind behind Warriors offense. He handled the ball a lot. He was also most important defender and rim protector which Suggs is not.
I want Suggs on the team, i love his attitude, but we just cant overpay 3&D player. He is important but replaceable, unlike Franz and Paolo which are unique.

[JoshuaPotter]

Suggs is the core, and yes should get paid to be kept around. From there though we are hedging bets on the development of 2 players in Black and Howard.

Their ability to crack the rotation could hurt Suggs value to us long term. Defensively speaking though, I think Suggs has DPOTY potential. As many have said, that doesn't really deserve max money, but quantifiable in how it translates to wins, it does deserve something.

Once again, this is the situation management did to themselves. They put the stipulation that they wanted to be a top 10 defensive team and they way overachieved. Now, imagine going into contract negotiations where you are THE defensive guy on the team and you potentially get a low ball offer.

Not saying Suggs has gotten a low ball, or anything else. Just a matter of what makes the comment of "good agent" a key phrase. You can't make a goal, blow past the goal, get a good portion of credit backed up my metrics & accolades both of your team, coaches and the league, and not fight for every dollar.

[eyriq]

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Yeah, I think again the takeaway is how integral certain players are to what your team’s identity happens to be.

Draymond Green makes a zillion dollars with the Warriors because he is a huge part of their system. He is probably an average starter or role player on any other team because hes a system guy that doesn’t translate everywhere. This is why they would sooner let Klay walk.

Jaden McDaniels has the positional versatility that Suggs doesn’t at 6’10. He still has to make sense in their system to justify paying him that contract amount as their 4th/5th option on offense.

If Orlando wasn’t toward the top of the league defensively, and winning most games because of it, then people wouldn’t need to make an argument that Suggs doesn’t need to get paid X amount of money. It’s the same argument for Denver wanting to keep KCP relative to what he does for them.

This is kinda why I don’t necessarily like the JI signing in a vacuum because he plays the same exact position as the guy that needs to be on floor for 90% of the time to win games. It’s just a stupid use of money if there weren’t contract stipulations. Suggs, Paolo, and Franz are the guys you pay. You fill the rest of the roster with guys that compliment them. The FO still hasn’t done that.

Yeah, I agree that Suggs shouldn’t get max, or anything really close to it. They have a strong argument for a good contract though because of top 10 defense and MIP voting last season. That’s not really an opinion. It’s the leverage they have. I don’t get the rookie year argument people keep parroting. Nobody pays players for their rookie year. They pay for progression and their latest season if they are still under a rookie contract.

I think where we differ is that i think we are building around Paolo and Franz and you think we are building around Paolo, Franz and Jalen.

It will be even harder to build around 3 players in the new cba. I also dont think Suggs is good enough o build around.
Green was the mastermind behind Warriors offense. He handled the ball a lot. He was also most important defender and rim protector which Suggs is not.
I want Suggs on the team, i love his attitude, but we just cant overpay 3&D player. He is important but replaceable, unlike Franz and Paolo which are unique.

Yeah then we disagree.

You can count really good young 3-D players on one hand. Maybe two. Regardless there aren’t many.

This team looked like ass without Suggs tbh. Franz is an above average defender and Paolo just isn’t great on that end. The offense still looks bad and I’d classify both of those guys as Orlando’s primary #1 and #2 options. Orlando didn’t win games last season because they were blowing teams away on offense.

Id place a very large bet that this team wins nowhere close to the same amount of games if you replaced someone like Anfernee Simons, Jalen Green, or Zach LaVine with Suggs last season.

Where his contract # lands, and whether or not people think is good, depends entirely on what kind of ceiling you think Suggs has and his availability. I just think his ceiling is higher than people believe based on his progression and where he is right now.

FWIW I won’t be happy if they give him anything close to max for the record. However, let’s also stop pretending that Orlando has a hundred other better options than retaining their guys that are good.

[eyriq]

Andrew Nembhard just signed for 3 years at $19.5M AAV.

Suggs is getting more than that. How much more?

[RichCollab]

Andrew Nembhard just signed for 3 years at $19.5M AAV.

Suggs is getting more than that. How much more?

Is he even a starter next season?

[anothermagicfan]

I'm curious if you were to go through every magic game since Suggs was drafted and made a list with the categories

Games missed-
Bad games-
Ok games-
Good games -
Great games -

I think the missed games, bad games and just ok games would all be significantly higher than the number of good and great games he's had. Those first 2 years he struggled to even have an ok game. Kinda hard to pay upwards of 30 million a season with only 1 seasons worth of decent play. I like Suggs but I think right now his contract offer would be closer to 15-20 million a year. He's definitely better off with another season under his belt if he wants to get anything close to a max

[RichCollab]

I'm curious if you were to go through every magic game since Suggs was drafted and made a list with the categories

Games missed-
Bad games-
Ok games-
Good games -
Great games -

I think the missed games, bad games and just ok games would all be significantly higher than the number of good and great games he's had. Those first 2 years he struggled to even have an ok game. Kinda hard to pay upwards of 30 million a season with only 1 seasons worth of decent play. I like Suggs but I think right now his contract offer would be closer to 15-20 million a year. He's definitely better off with another season under his belt if he wants to get anything close to a max

15 to 20 million? You’re silly.

[basketballRob]

Andrew Nembhard just signed for 3 years at $19.5M AAV.

Suggs is getting more than that. How much more?

Is he even a starter next season?

He was the 2nd best player on the Pacers in the playoffs.

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[jonbob17]

If we use Franz 5/224 as the basis for 25% of the cap, 20% equates to 5/179

20% doesn’t scare me. That’s what guys like Herro, Simons, and Poole got. I’d take Suggs over all of them in a heartbeat.

Still sounds like a really big number, and guys like White, Holiday, Caruso, Divencenzo used to come at a discount. Just not sure that is the case anymore.

5/150 (16.7%) sounds a lot better to me, and gets rid of the injury/regression risk for Suggs side. Maybe even a little lower annual with a player option in year 5.

I am confident both sides will get there. I am pretty surprised they agreed to Franz’s so early in the offseason.

There’s a lot of value to the players locking in early, especially for Suggs as he only really has a year of good production.

In the scheme of things is 150 vs 179 a huge deal breaker for Suggs given the risks to the player. These are such huge numbers we are dealing with these days, generational wealth, lock it in.

[jonbob17]

Speaking of Divencenzo, man I’d love to have him. I realize we got SGs up to our eyeballs, but Mikal Bridges pushes him to the bench.

WCJ for Divencenzo. The Knicks need help at center. Their salaries almost line up perfectly too. Divencenzo was number two in the league with 6 made 3 pointers per 100. Behind Steph’s 7

Trade KCP and Harris when eligible for additional assets and trade for Divencenzo. Send one or both back to Denver, surely Denver is not going to risk a peak year of Jokic on whether or not Braun can get much, much better.

[MagicTownBaller]

Speaking of Divencenzo, man I’d love to have him. I realize we got SGs up to our eyeballs, but Mikal Bridges pushes him to the bench.

WCJ for Divencenzo. The Knicks need help at center. Their salaries almost line up perfectly too. Divencenzo was number two in the league with 6 made 3 pointers per 100. Behind Steph’s 7

Trade KCP and Harris when eligible for additional assets and trade for Divencenzo. Send one or both back to Denver, surely Denver is not going to risk a peak year of Jokic on whether or not Braun can get much, much better.

The Knicks are not trading any of the "Nova Squad" unless they get a star. This includes Brunson, DiVincenzo, Hart, and Bridges.

[Skybox]

Speaking of Divencenzo, man I’d love to have him. I realize we got SGs up to our eyeballs, but Mikal Bridges pushes him to the bench.

WCJ for Divencenzo. The Knicks need help at center. Their salaries almost line up perfectly too. Divencenzo was number two in the league with 6 made 3 pointers per 100. Behind Steph’s 7

Trade KCP and Harris when eligible for additional assets and trade for Divencenzo. Send one or both back to Denver, surely Denver is not going to risk a peak year of Jokic on whether or not Braun can get much, much better.

Love the guy and he's the right kind of "PG" for us...we really should have grabbed him when GSW couldn't keep him...solid pickup for NYK. The whole Nova thing appears kind of silly, but they are all solid players (on different levels) and absolute winners.

[anothermagicfan]

I'm curious if you were to go through every magic game since Suggs was drafted and made a list with the categories

Games missed-
Bad games-
Ok games-
Good games -
Great games -

I think the missed games, bad games and just ok games would all be significantly higher than the number of good and great games he's had. Those first 2 years he struggled to even have an ok game. Kinda hard to pay upwards of 30 million a season with only 1 seasons worth of decent play. I like Suggs but I think right now his contract offer would be closer to 15-20 million a year. He's definitely better off with another season under his belt if he wants to get anything close to a max

15 to 20 million? You’re silly.

Based on the the entirety of his career I think that's what he's at right now. I think he's better than 15-20 million but needs another year of not being hurt for a significant part of the season and to show his shooting from deep wasn't a fluke. He has only shown flashes of a 25-30 million contract. It needs to be a bigger sample size. He needs to improve on last seasons performance before getting that paycheck. Personally I'd love to see it happen. I love his effort and his defense. His play and his drive is infectious. It's usually Suggs play getting the crowd in it at the home games.

[JBSouthpaw]

I wouldn't be surprised if his camp tries to get a 3 year deal, then get a bigger cash in then.
3 years, 65M. That would be him betting on himself.

[jonbob17]

Andrew Nembhard just signed for 3 years at $19.5M AAV.

Suggs is getting more than that. How much more?

Nembhardt’s extension was really about 2/57. indiana already had him under contract this season at $2M. They declined this year’s deal and gave him a 3/59.

[Skin]

I'm not surprised by this poll. If majority believe he's between $24-30M a year guy, then that tells me that this forum generally wants to believe in him, but they don't fully.

[Optimus_Steel]

Is this a binding vote?

[drsd]

What I would offer (for Suggs): Five years, $165 million. The total amount in guaranteed money is comparable to what the Suggs can sign in the offseason with a team that has cap space, plus one more year. The Magic have a proven track record of structuring contracts that decline each year. However, because of luxury tax and apron concerns, an extension would start at $32 million and increase each season.

ESPN: NBA contract extensions: What to know ahead of Monday's deadline

Jalen Suggs, Orlando Magic

Why an extension could get done: No team has been more aggressive in extending its own players than Orlando. Since the 2020 offseason, the Magic front office has signed Jonathan Isaac, Markelle Fultz, Wendell Carter Jr., Cole Anthony and Franz Wagner to rookie extensions. (Isaac and Carter Jr. extended their contracts a second time this offseason.)

Suggs is the quarterback of a defense that ranked in the top three last season. He tied for eighth in steals and ranked in the top 10 in defensive estimated plus-minus. As a result, Suggs became the third Magic player in franchise history to be named to the All-Defensive Team. Offensively, Suggs has continued to improve shooting since this rookie season. Last year he shot a career-high 47.1% from the field and 39.7% on 3-pointers.

Why it might not: As with many rookie extensions, Suggs may not be willing to compromise. You can make the argument that Suggs should be in line for the same five-year, $224 million max extension his teammate Franz Wagner received in July. But with Paolo Banchero in line to sign a five-year, $247 million extension next year, Orlando has to balance their future finances. Along with two first-round picks (their own and Denver's) in June, Orlando has $165 million in salary next season -- $22.5 million below the luxury tax and $30.5 million below the first apron. The good news is that Orlando has flexibility to shed $24 million in salary. Moritz Wagner, Gary Harris, Cory Joseph and Caleb Houstan have team options for 2025-26.

[GelbeWand09]

What I would offer (for Suggs): Five years, $165 million. The total amount in guaranteed money is comparable to what the Suggs can sign in the offseason with a team that has cap space, plus one more year. The Magic have a proven track record of structuring contracts that decline each year. However, because of luxury tax and apron concerns, an extension would start at $32 million and increase each season.

ESPN: NBA contract extensions: What to know ahead of Monday's deadline

Jalen Suggs, Orlando Magic

Why an extension could get done: No team has been more aggressive in extending its own players than Orlando. Since the 2020 offseason, the Magic front office has signed Jonathan Isaac, Markelle Fultz, Wendell Carter Jr., Cole Anthony and Franz Wagner to rookie extensions. (Isaac and Carter Jr. extended their contracts a second time this offseason.)

Suggs is the quarterback of a defense that ranked in the top three last season. He tied for eighth in steals and ranked in the top 10 in defensive estimated plus-minus. As a result, Suggs became the third Magic player in franchise history to be named to the All-Defensive Team. Offensively, Suggs has continued to improve shooting since this rookie season. Last year he shot a career-high 47.1% from the field and 39.7% on 3-pointers.

Why it might not: As with many rookie extensions, Suggs may not be willing to compromise. You can make the argument that Suggs should be in line for the same five-year, $224 million max extension his teammate Franz Wagner received in July. But with Paolo Banchero in line to sign a five-year, $247 million extension next year, Orlando has to balance their future finances. Along with two first-round picks (their own and Denver's) in June, Orlando has $165 million in salary next season -- $22.5 million below the luxury tax and $30.5 million below the first apron. The good news is that Orlando has flexibility to shed $24 million in salary. Moritz Wagner, Gary Harris, Cory Joseph and Caleb Houstan have team options for 2025-26.

No, you cant. I love Suggs but he is at best a role player on offense with questionable upside on that side of the court because of missing skills. + His defense isnt even THAT much better than Franz's. This 165 million already makes me uneasy.