Jayson Tatum, Mvp of the decade so far

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Re: Jayson Tatum, Mvp of the decade so far 

Post#41 » by 1993Playoffs » Thu Sep 12, 2024 12:53 pm

He’s not even close
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Post#42 » by dhsilv2 » Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:04 pm

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Just a sensational player,ball handling,defense,finishing at most especially scoring the basketball and winning games for his team. No one does it better than tatum since 2020 :D :D


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Post#43 » by maxpower8888 » Thu Sep 12, 2024 1:13 pm

That's because Boston blew teams out by over 11 points on average last season, which allowed him to accumulate a lot of +/-.

If you look at who the top plus-minus players were for the 2023-24 season, five of the top 10 players were Celtics, with three Celtics taking the top 3 spots.
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Post#44 » by Impuniti » Thu Sep 12, 2024 2:11 pm

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brackdan70 wrote:He was 4th in MVP voting in 2023. Top 5 in a composite of impact stats that year.

And yet he's still not ever been a top 5 player, as I said. He's been in the actual best organization in the league the last 10 years (unlike the lightyears ahead delusion), it helps when your team wins and is that dominant.

This disregards that he is a big reason why the Celtics have been successful.
MVP voters and impact stats had him as top 5 that year. I personally think last year he was 5-7 ish, but 2023 he was top 5. He isn’t the best player in the league but he is clearly in the mix for top 5.

Nobody has said he's not a big reason the Celtics are not successful, I think he's the best Celtics player even though Brown won the personal awards last season. My point is that he's never been a top 5 player at any point of his career. As others have said, he makes the biggest difference but Celtics as a team are demolishing teams so of course those numbers look good.
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Re: Jayson Tatum, Mvp of the decade so far 

Post#45 » by Triple M » Thu Sep 12, 2024 2:15 pm

maxpower8888 wrote:That's because Boston blew teams out by over 11 points on average last season, which allowed him to accumulate a lot of +/-.

If you look at who the top plus-minus players were for the 2023-24 season, five of the top 10 players were Celtics, with three Celtics taking the top 3 spots.


They've been doing that the last 2.5 seasons under different coaches and with different team constructions. In 22 they had an 22 they won by 12.7 in their last 44 games with 13+ net rating. The Celtics were even better that 2nd half than the numbers they did this year.

The team and other players deserve the credit but so does Tatum in his own right as one of the common factor. That doesn't mean he is the king/mvp of the 20s or that he isnt the best player on his team or one of tge better players of the 20s.
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Post#46 » by brackdan70 » Thu Sep 12, 2024 2:41 pm

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Impuniti wrote:And yet he's still not ever been a top 5 player, as I said. He's been in the actual best organization in the league the last 10 years (unlike the lightyears ahead delusion), it helps when your team wins and is that dominant.

This disregards that he is a big reason why the Celtics have been successful.
MVP voters and impact stats had him as top 5 that year. I personally think last year he was 5-7 ish, but 2023 he was top 5. He isn’t the best player in the league but he is clearly in the mix for top 5.

Nobody has said he's not a big reason the Celtics are not successful, I think he's the best Celtics player even though Brown won the personal awards last season. My point is that he's never been a top 5 player at any point of his career. As others have said, he makes the biggest difference but Celtics as a team are demolishing teams so of course those numbers look good.

Ok . That’s your opinion and I respect it. I am pointing out that MVP voters and adjusted impact stats show that he has been a top 5 player.
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Re: Jayson Tatum, Mvp of the decade so far 

Post#47 » by srhcan » Thu Sep 12, 2024 3:25 pm

Iwasawitness wrote:He hasn’t even won MVP for a season…

and he most likely will never win it; there is lot of great talent ahead of him and unless all of them get injured, I dont see it happening
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Post#48 » by Iwasawitness » Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:08 pm

srhcan wrote:
Iwasawitness wrote:He hasn’t even won MVP for a season…

and he most likely will never win it; there is lot of great talent ahead of him and unless all of them get injured, I dont see it happening


What's funny is usually when a players team has the best record in the league, it helps their MVP chances. But in Tatum's case, even with his Celtics winning 60+ and being the clear best team with him being the clear cut best player, he wasn't even top five in MVP voting.
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Post#49 » by GiannisAnte34 » Thu Sep 12, 2024 4:21 pm

since when does "being in the mix for top 5" consistently make you the MVP of the decade? a lot of players can make that claim

people can understand how another superstar like Durant would win FMVP next to Curry, but Jaylen Brown wasn't even an All-NBA player (which reflects reality because he truly isn't a top 15 player)

but to get outperformed by Brown for ECMVP and FMVP and then be parked on the bench in the Olympics (for LeBron/Durant) while 2 of your role players are balling out in the Olympics as well (Holiday/White)

it all just proves that Tatum is propped up by organizational greatness. Durant would probably win FMVP again no problem if he was swapped in for Tatum
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Post#50 » by Lalouie » Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:24 pm

he literally cant be because he and brown will split votes. but you are divining worth thru numbers even though theirvalue is equal
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Post#51 » by CoP » Thu Sep 12, 2024 5:46 pm

Nah. He's an awesome player though!
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Post#52 » by 165bows » Thu Sep 12, 2024 8:40 pm

brackdan70 wrote:
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brackdan70 wrote:This disregards that he is a big reason why the Celtics have been successful.
MVP voters and impact stats had him as top 5 that year. I personally think last year he was 5-7 ish, but 2023 he was top 5. He isn’t the best player in the league but he is clearly in the mix for top 5.

Nobody has said he's not a big reason the Celtics are not successful, I think he's the best Celtics player even though Brown won the personal awards last season. My point is that he's never been a top 5 player at any point of his career. As others have said, he makes the biggest difference but Celtics as a team are demolishing teams so of course those numbers look good.

Ok . That’s your opinion and I respect it. I am pointing out that MVP voters and adjusted impact stats show that he has been a top 5 player.

I actually don't respect that opinion, it's terrible lol.
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Post#53 » by dockingsched » Thu Sep 12, 2024 8:43 pm

He hasn’t even gotten a single first place mvp vote
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Re: Jayson Tatum, Mvp of the decade so far 

Post#54 » by DLoMor » Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:02 pm

And this is why Tatum is the most overrated player in the NBA, cause of people like this guy thinking so and everyone agreeing with him. I don’t get you people.
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Post#55 » by islanders11040 » Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:42 am

im not even sure if he's better than Julius randle
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Re: Jayson Tatum, Mvp of the decade so far 

Post#56 » by GregOden » Fri Sep 13, 2024 12:50 am

He's good enough that he'll see some floortime for USA when KD Steph and Lebron retire 8-)
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Re: Jayson Tatum, Mvp of the decade so far 

Post#57 » by brackdan70 » Fri Sep 13, 2024 1:00 am

DLoMor wrote:And this is why Tatum is the most overrated player in the NBA, cause of people like this guy thinking so and everyone agreeing with him. I don’t get you people.

I haven’t seen anyone agreeing with him here.
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Post#58 » by HMFFL » Fri Sep 13, 2024 1:02 am

I expect Tatum to slowly gain more respect. He's going to win another championship and next time I expect him to be the MVP.

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Post#59 » by Capn'O » Fri Sep 13, 2024 3:52 am

U must b Jokic...
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Re: Jayson Tatum, Mvp of the decade so far 

Post#60 » by brackdan70 » Fri Sep 13, 2024 1:27 pm

islanders11040 wrote:im not even sure if he's better than Julius randle

This is a worse take than the OP. I’d love to see some evidence for that…but I know there is t any.
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