Tre Johnson - Texas

[tontoz]

Tre has 21 assists in his last 5 games.

Tre has no problem getting past one guy off the dribble but there is usually another guy there quickly, plus there is no illegal D in college. I think he will score a lot more inside in the pros with the better spacing.

[clyde21]

he potentially has the best bag offensively out of all the players in the draft, you see glimpses of playmaking chops here and there but he *can* be a blackhole at times as well.

combine testing and measurements will be important for him, but if he can connect some of the dots off-ball and in terms of finding secondary and third reads then it's game over. dude is just so fun to watch.

the line between him being a Devin Booker or something or just another Jordan Clarkson or Jordan Poole is *very thin* though. this is a tough archetype.

[babyjax13]

Honestly getting a Jordan Clarkson or Jordan Pooele in the lottery isn't a terrible outcome. Of course, you don't want to draft that guy top 5. But I think Tre has a size advantage and more efficient self creation.

[clyde21]

Honestly getting a Jordan Clarkson or Jordan Pooele in the lottery isn't a terrible outcome. Of course, you don't want to draft that guy top 5. But I think Tre has a size advantage and more efficient self creation.

i think those type of players are good to have on rookie deals but they trap stupid GMs into overcommitting and giving them big deals. i hate it. i still can't believe we gave Poole 140 milly.

[babyjax13]

Honestly getting a Jordan Clarkson or Jordan Pooele in the lottery isn't a terrible outcome. Of course, you don't want to draft that guy top 5. But I think Tre has a size advantage and more efficient self creation.

i think those type of players are good to have on rookie deals but they trap stupid GMs into overcommitting and giving them big deals. i hate it. i still can't believe we gave Poole 140 milly.

I feel like of that "type" of player, a less athletic but better shooting Jalen Green might be a bit closer to who Johnson is? I'm not sure if you think that is more attractive or not, but I am relatively high on his chances of being a top-3 player on a really good team.

[clyde21]

Honestly getting a Jordan Clarkson or Jordan Pooele in the lottery isn't a terrible outcome. Of course, you don't want to draft that guy top 5. But I think Tre has a size advantage and more efficient self creation.

i think those type of players are good to have on rookie deals but they trap stupid GMs into overcommitting and giving them big deals. i hate it. i still can't believe we gave Poole 140 milly.

I feel like of that "type" of player, a less athletic but better shooting Jalen Green might be a bit closer to who Johnson is? I'm not sure if you think that is more attractive or not, but I am relatively high on his chances of being a top-3 player on a really good team.

i used to be a big Jalen Green guy but I've generally cooled on that entire archetype and I'm not sure what Green would be without the outlier athleticism.

Tre's path, or at least best path to legitimate success, is Devin Booker imo, but again the line very fine between Devin Booker or just being a 6th man scorer. it will start at the combine for him, needs to clear that 6-6 threshold.

[Chi town]

Honestly getting a Jordan Clarkson or Jordan Pooele in the lottery isn't a terrible outcome. Of course, you don't want to draft that guy top 5. But I think Tre has a size advantage and more efficient self creation.

i think those type of players are good to have on rookie deals but they trap stupid GMs into overcommitting and giving them big deals. i hate it. i still can't believe we gave Poole 140 milly.

I feel like of that "type" of player, a less athletic but better shooting Jalen Green might be a bit closer to who Johnson is? I'm not sure if you think that is more attractive or not, but I am relatively high on his chances of being a top-3 player on a really good team.

Great comp. He doesn’t have the freak athleticism of Green but he has a bigger frame and size. Much better shot and shot selection.

[Chi town]

I think Tre will avg 10 3s per game within his first few seasons. That volume and the gravity it creates is significant.

[tontoz]

I think Tre will avg 10 3s per game within his first few seasons. That volume and the gravity it creates is significant.

Tre is attempting 8 3s per 40 right now, and not many are open.

Poole is attempting 9.4 per game and his release is a lot lower than Tre's.

[Chi town]

I think Tre will avg 10 3s per game within his first few seasons. That volume and the gravity it creates is significant.

Tre is attempting 8 3s per 40 right now, and not many are open.

Poole is attempting 9.4 per game and his release is a lot lower than Tre's.

So 12 or 13???

[vincecarter4pres]

If Tre falls past pick 7, or especially past 10, I really feel like he’s going to be a guy that makes a lot of GM’s look stupid.

No way you draft him over the big 3, but after that anywhere is fair game imho.

He has a diverse and legit NBA skillset, he’s above average on the next level athletically, he’s a gamer, and can shoot the lights out.

As long as he’s at least a legit 6’4 in socks with a good wingspan, I think he can play the 3 just fine as well.

He’s good off ball and as a secondary playmaker and connector right now as well, he doesn’t have the type of skillset and style where he needs to be a ball dominant 1st option to have big impact, but if he keeps improving his handle and playmaking, it would be the cherry on top if he could be.

I think he’s got a decent helping of prime Klay to him.

[EvanZ]

Great shooter but in all likelihood he is going to be Isaiah Joe or Jordan Hawkins more often than Klay Thompson. Not a knock on Tre, those guys are great shooters. But Klay is the 76th best player of all time!

[vincecarter4pres]

Great shooter but in all likelihood he is going to be Isaiah Joe or Jordan Hawkins more often than Klay Thompson. Not a knock on Tre, those guys are great shooters. But Klay is the 76th best player of all time!

Lol true.

What about Ray Allen? Like prime Bucks or Sonics Ray Allen?

I’m just searching for a ceiling comp I really like.

Cause yeah, Klay isn’t really it. He has shades, but he isn’t that off ball and constant movement like prime Klay.

Michael Redd has some serious merit imho, but I think his outright ceiling is still higher and still a little better.

I think Redd is more his “reasonable” ceiling.

[EvanZ]

Great shooter but in all likelihood he is going to be Isaiah Joe or Jordan Hawkins more often than Klay Thompson. Not a knock on Tre, those guys are great shooters. But Klay is the 76th best player of all time!

Lol true.

What about Ray Allen? Like prime Bucks or Sonics Ray Allen?

I’m just searching for a ceiling comp I really like.

Cause yeah, Klay isn’t really it. He has shades, but he isn’t that off ball and constant movement like prime Klay.

Michael Redd has some serious merit imho, but I think his outright ceiling is still higher and still a little better.

I think Redd is more his “reasonable” ceiling.

He reminds me of Allan Houston. Or maybe Kevin Martin. I think the defense could be suspect with his frame.

[vincecarter4pres]

Great shooter but in all likelihood he is going to be Isaiah Joe or Jordan Hawkins more often than Klay Thompson. Not a knock on Tre, those guys are great shooters. But Klay is the 76th best player of all time!

Lol true.

What about Ray Allen? Like prime Bucks or Sonics Ray Allen?

I’m just searching for a ceiling comp I really like.

Cause yeah, Klay isn’t really it. He has shades, but he isn’t that off ball and constant movement like prime Klay.

Michael Redd has some serious merit imho, but I think his outright ceiling is still higher and still a little better.

I think Redd is more his “reasonable” ceiling.

He reminds me of Allan Houston. Or maybe Kevin Martin. I think the defense could be suspect with his frame.

I don’t like either tbh. I think both were below average NBA athletes, and both in a less athletic time for the league.

Kevin Martin was very ball-stopper-y as well, especially for a guy with a suspect handle, and a **** playmaker/passer, and whether he succeeds or busts, I personally don’t view Tre that way.

Both were pretty much stiffs on defense, especially Martin, who couldn’t move laterally to save his life.

[EvanZ]

His steal% and dreb% numbers are really bad. Just saying these indicators don't usually bode well if he's supposed to be an above average defender.

[vincecarter4pres]

His steal% and dreb% numbers are really bad. Just saying these indicators don't usually bode well if he's supposed to be an above average defender.

He has the physical attributes to be able to though. I don’t even necessarily think he will be a good defender, but both of those guys, especially Martin were stiffs.

Houston was serviceable in a team concept on the Knicks, who were a really good defensive team, but also in the hand checking era, a drastically slower paced era, on a slow grind out team even for that era.

Also I don’t know how important defensive rebounding percentages and even steal percentages are for a wing who leans much more two guard?

[Catchall]

Great shooter but in all likelihood he is going to be Isaiah Joe or Jordan Hawkins more often than Klay Thompson. Not a knock on Tre, those guys are great shooters. But Klay is the 76th best player of all time!

Lol true.

What about Ray Allen? Like prime Bucks or Sonics Ray Allen?

I’m just searching for a ceiling comp I really like.

Cause yeah, Klay isn’t really it. He has shades, but he isn’t that off ball and constant movement like prime Klay.

Michael Redd has some serious merit imho, but I think his outright ceiling is still higher and still a little better.

I think Redd is more his “reasonable” ceiling.

I looked at Ray Allen. Ray was just more athletic getting downhill and finishing above the rim. Even if Tre comes in more like a Kentavious Caldwell-Pope or Khris Middleton, rather than Devin Booker or Klay Thompson, that's still a player with significant positional value.

Keep in mind though, Tre is just a freshman and he's playing in a really tough conference.

[vincecarter4pres]

Great shooter but in all likelihood he is going to be Isaiah Joe or Jordan Hawkins more often than Klay Thompson. Not a knock on Tre, those guys are great shooters. But Klay is the 76th best player of all time!

Lol true.

What about Ray Allen? Like prime Bucks or Sonics Ray Allen?

I’m just searching for a ceiling comp I really like.

Cause yeah, Klay isn’t really it. He has shades, but he isn’t that off ball and constant movement like prime Klay.

Michael Redd has some serious merit imho, but I think his outright ceiling is still higher and still a little better.

I think Redd is more his “reasonable” ceiling.

I looked at Ray Allen. Ray was just more athletic getting downhill and finishing above the rim. Even if Tre comes in more like a Kentavious Caldwell-Pope or Khris Middleton, rather than Devin Booker or Klay Thompson, that's still a player with significant positional value.

Keep in mind though, Tre is just a freshman and he's playing in a really tough conference.

Yeah I felt similar on the Ray comparison.

But I’m just looking for ceiling and stylistic comp for him.

Not saying I think it’s likely he hits whatever ceiling he is labeled with.

I think he’s on a more athletic arch then Middleton though, who was always slow and completely below the rim for the most part.

[Catchall]

Lol true.

What about Ray Allen? Like prime Bucks or Sonics Ray Allen?

I’m just searching for a ceiling comp I really like.

Cause yeah, Klay isn’t really it. He has shades, but he isn’t that off ball and constant movement like prime Klay.

Michael Redd has some serious merit imho, but I think his outright ceiling is still higher and still a little better.

I think Redd is more his “reasonable” ceiling.

I looked at Ray Allen. Ray was just more athletic getting downhill and finishing above the rim. Even if Tre comes in more like a Kentavious Caldwell-Pope or Khris Middleton, rather than Devin Booker or Klay Thompson, that's still a player with significant positional value.

Keep in mind though, Tre is just a freshman and he's playing in a really tough conference.

Yeah I felt similar on the Ray comparison.

But I’m just looking for ceiling and stylistic comp for him.

Not saying I think it’s likely he hits whatever ceiling he is labeled with.

I think he’s on a more athletic arch then Middleton though, who was always slow and completely below the rim for the most part.

Don't underestimate the impact that KCP had on the Nuggets and Lakers' championship teams recently. That's a very valuable player. I also think Tre is a higher-tier prospect than KCP.