Paolo's ts% is down to. 526 from .590 at the start of the year

[pepe1991]

His TS in first 4 games, exscluding 50 points game was 54%.

His whole game is foul baiting and mid range shooting.

People just overvalued his playoff showing vs easiest possible matchup once Allen got hurt.
Before Allen injury his TS in playoffs was also 54%

[zaymon]

Paolo is good but he should not run the offense period. Not now, propably never. Even Franz is better at that. Lets not force him in a role he cant earn himself.

[ogmagicfan]

His TS in first 4 games, exscluding 50 points game was 54%.

His whole game is foul baiting and mid range shooting.

People just overvalued his playoff showing vs easiest possible matchup once Allen got hurt.
Before Allen injury his TS in playoffs was also 54%

If there's any moment in the 5 game span before he got injured that should get cut out to give a clearer picture, its the halfway point of the 3rd quarter in the Bulls game onwards where he wasnt hitting anything because he was playing through a torn oblique

There's no statistical method I've ever seen where you just cut out the high end outliers and dont match it with cutting out the low end outliers too, unless youre trying to push a certain narrative.

I'd reckon the 5 game sample is a clearer picture of the growth in his game then using the sample of games since he's came back, knowing he clearly hasnt been 100% since coming back.

[The-Stallion70]

His TS in first 4 games, exscluding 50 points game was 54%.

His whole game is foul baiting and mid range shooting.

People just overvalued his playoff showing vs easiest possible matchup once Allen got hurt.
Before Allen injury his TS in playoffs was also 54%

Sure then posters were talking about him like his 59% was the new norm, and still talking about him like he's still injured and not 100%.

His percentages since coming back are closer to his career performances.

[dsg2021]

If you don't like reading this board you dont have to. You spend more time complaining about what others post than discussing the game lol

He still has a point though. You can probably clarify some of your final conclusions on Paolo by now. Just stand up and say it along with the others. I don't know which it is for you, but it's probably some of the following;
a) We should trade Paolo
b) Franz is the best player on the team, and Paolo isn't even a top 3 player on the team
c) I don't like Paolo
d) We will never pass the 1st and 2nd round with Paolo
e) Other reasons

I'm just curious because you found a way to critique him constantly, and we're curious if we have to guess which of the above, or if you might clarify it. Along with the other Paolo haters. Hey, I've learned to enjoy the players and the team on my own terms. I learned not to support any Magic player too much in these forums a long time ago. I'm honestly more curious what's your constructive solution at this point. Make the Trade Paolo thread. And heck, maybe you are even right, and one of Paolo or Franz is gone within 2 seasons, and it's probably Paolo. I completely disagree/hope not, but I like to see all sides and ideas.

How about I post what I want and you all can deal lol

There is more news to be learned after each game and Paolo is probably the most important player on the team so if you cant handle ongoing discussion based on new evidence then not sure what to say lol

On Paolo, if he doesn't turn into a superstar player then this Magic team probably has a ceiling that is below being a contender. I figured that but was obvious. His development is something to keep a close eye on abd so far im not convinced that he's really a superstar talent.

What do you want to talk about? Do you have anything to say other than crying about someone else's post?

Of course, fair enough on posting anything you want and we all deal, I just had curiosity for maybe some clarification and thanks for answering it a quite a bit also. I guess I underrated the 1 game by 1 game reactions yet again, in his 167-game sample going towards likely 1,000+. But yes, his TS% is now dipped to his worst yet. As for your last sentence, my posts are usually post-game reports or scouting observations from an inexperienced fan, occasional chime ins on trade ideas, etc.

[dsg2021]

His TS in first 4 games, exscluding 50 points game was 54%.

His whole game is foul baiting and mid range shooting.

People just overvalued his playoff showing vs easiest possible matchup once Allen got hurt.
Before Allen injury his TS in playoffs was also 54%

I like this post in terms of clarity. Good clarity to state that with Jarrett Allen in the mix, Paolo was below the league average in TS% with .455 FG%, .318 3P%, .615 FT% in the first 4 games of the 7 game series (and first playoff appearance).
I am curious how/if you want to extend that statement now pepe, if you want to. Is a below league average TS% player also a below league average player? I doubt you would take it that far, so maybe you are homing in on a potential statement that Paolo is deceptively a below league average star player. Following your line of thought along, there are those comps out there, after all, of Melo and Randle where the first one scored too much and the second was not quite a real impact star with a career 18 PER.

[Bergmaniac]

His shot distribution makes him being efficient scorer very hard. He takes a lot of midrange shots and tough contested paint shots not at the rim. He foul baits a lot but isn't great at it at it and when he doesn't get the call the shot usually ends being very low percentage. When you add to that how poor his FT shooting % is I can't help but wonder if his efficiency won't improve if he cuts down on the foul baiting. Being able to get to the line a lot is great, but if the cost is several bricks per game and you shoot below 70% from the line, it's probably better to reduce this stuff. He will still get to the line quite a bit with his drives when he is able to get to the rim and he can still foul bait on some possessions, but he is doing too much of this this year, he is only shooting 25% on paint shots not at the rim, which is clearly largely because he often tries to draw on foul on the possessins he can't get to the rim and throws up shots which have a very low chance of getting in.

[The-Stallion70]

His shot distribution makes him being efficient scorer very hard. He takes a lot of midrange shots and tough contested paint shots not at the rim. He foul baits a lot but isn't great at it at it and when he doesn't get the call the shot usually ends being very low percentage. When you add to that how poor his FT shooting % is I can't help but wonder if his efficiency won't improve if he cuts down on the foul baiting. Being able to get to the line a lot is great, but if the cost is several bricks per game and you shoot below 70% from the line, it's probably better to reduce this stuff. He will still get to the line quite a bit with his drives when he is able to get to the rim and he can still foul bait on some possessions, but he is doing too much of this this year, he is only shooting 25% on paint shots not at the rim, which is clearly largely because he often tries to draw on foul on the possessins he can't get to the rim and throws up shots which have a very low chance of getting in.

Great analysis, yea Kawhi also took alot of midrange shots.

For Paolo I still feel that the Magic need to put more shooting around him and then that may open up his game as well.

[The-Stallion70]

He still has a point though. You can probably clarify some of your final conclusions on Paolo by now. Just stand up and say it along with the others. I don't know which it is for you, but it's probably some of the following;
a) We should trade Paolo
b) Franz is the best player on the team, and Paolo isn't even a top 3 player on the team
c) I don't like Paolo
d) We will never pass the 1st and 2nd round with Paolo
e) Other reasons

I'm just curious because you found a way to critique him constantly, and we're curious if we have to guess which of the above, or if you might clarify it. Along with the other Paolo haters. Hey, I've learned to enjoy the players and the team on my own terms. I learned not to support any Magic player too much in these forums a long time ago. I'm honestly more curious what's your constructive solution at this point. Make the Trade Paolo thread. And heck, maybe you are even right, and one of Paolo or Franz is gone within 2 seasons, and it's probably Paolo. I completely disagree/hope not, but I like to see all sides and ideas.

How about I post what I want and you all can deal lol

There is more news to be learned after each game and Paolo is probably the most important player on the team so if you cant handle ongoing discussion based on new evidence then not sure what to say lol

On Paolo, if he doesn't turn into a superstar player then this Magic team probably has a ceiling that is below being a contender. I figured that but was obvious. His development is something to keep a close eye on abd so far im not convinced that he's really a superstar talent.

What do you want to talk about? Do you have anything to say other than crying about someone else's post?

Of course, fair enough on posting anything you want and we all deal, I just had curiosity for maybe some clarification and thanks for answering it a quite a bit also. I guess I underrated the 1 game by 1 game reactions yet again, in his 167-game sample going towards likely 1,000+. But yes, his TS% is now dipped to his worst yet. As for your last sentence, my posts are usually post-game reports or scouting observations from an inexperienced fan, occasional chime ins on trade ideas, etc.

There are no final conclusions to make yet we are having ongoing discussions about the 22 year old best player the team has had in 15 years.

If you ask me though, he is an all star at peak but not superstar. He lacks the explosiveness to consistently get to the basket but his skill level is so high and he puts so much work in on his 1 on 1 game that I see him reaching his potential.

The point of these thread is to continually reassess what the team needs to win a championship and right now i feel like Palo is probably a number 2 on that team.

[AdamTheGreek]

Paolo and Franz are not fully themselves yet. It’s going to take until likely after the All-Star break. That’s the nature of these oblique injuries.

But they need more help from the rest of the roster.

[The-Stallion70]

his rhythm way off....his legs not all the way back...it seems like an unbelievable amount of rust.....there also could be some mental stuff going on as well it seems to me like he's trying to force his game back

I'm genuinely unfazed for exactly the reasons you mention. I think fans that expected us to be contenders this season are the ones having these "blow it up" style takes. That's why I keep saying to focus on the timeline and set your expectations accordingly.

TBH, I think Paolo’s injury was a blessing in disguise for the future of the organization.

I don't think you get this Superstar version of Franz with a healthy Banchero being in and taking the touches away from him. Now this team knows how they can build the team going forward.

If this team remain healthy next season with the appropriate vet additions and internal growth they'll probably win 55-60 games next season.

Are you suggesting that the team knows to build around Franz now? Are you saying you think that Franz will be featured as the team's best player going forward?

[The-Stallion70]

Realistically, Paolo isnt going to be 100% this season.

I gotta say, its really funny how some of the same posters declaring we should be patient when it comes to Franz and his shooting woes, are the same ones who are giving Paolo no grace

Franz ts% is league average and I never gave him a pass for his three point shooting so nice try there.

Let me ask you this, when can we start to view Paolo as "fully healed"? Do you think all players playing are always 100%? At what point this season can we start to view his play as representative of his true ability?

[Last Guardian]

You're lying to yourself if Paolo isn't concerning. I fell for the hype as much as anyone else. Magic overachieved and everyone was on the moon. But the stats and the eye test for his career so far suggest he's simply an inefficient scorer who turns it over at an alarming rate...and doesn't play any defense most of the time. Its not looking great for him to become best player on a championship team.

He is still young though, maybe he becomes a mid range savant and makes some better decisions. We have seen him play composed, it is possible.

[eyriq]

You're lying to yourself if Paolo isn't concerning. I fell for the hype as much as anyone else. Magic overachieved and everyone was on the moon. But the stats and the eye test for his career so far suggest he's simply an inefficient scorer who turns it over at an alarming rate...and doesn't play any defense most of the time. Its not looking great for him to become best player on a championship team.

He is still young though, maybe he becomes a mid range savant and makes some better decisions. We have seen him play composed, it is possible.

Sometimes you get the #1 pick and it's Paolo.

[Idiosyncratic]

His TS in first 4 games, exscluding 50 points game was 54%.

His whole game is foul baiting and mid range shooting.

People just overvalued his playoff showing vs easiest possible matchup once Allen got hurt.
Before Allen injury his TS in playoffs was also 54%

Sure then posters were talking about him like his 59% was the new norm, and still talking about him like he's still injured and not 100%.

His percentages since coming back are closer to his career performances.

Well the idea was that maybe he was taking a 3rd year leap which is pretty common. Obviously if he levels off at this shooting for the rest of his career he will be a huge disappointment. We just have to see what happens I guess.

[Last Guardian]

You're lying to yourself if Paolo isn't concerning. I fell for the hype as much as anyone else. Magic overachieved and everyone was on the moon. But the stats and the eye test for his career so far suggest he's simply an inefficient scorer who turns it over at an alarming rate...and doesn't play any defense most of the time. Its not looking great for him to become best player on a championship team.

He is still young though, maybe he becomes a mid range savant and makes some better decisions. We have seen him play composed, it is possible.

Sometimes you get the #1 pick and it's Paolo.

The chance that he could be a 6'10 Lebron like player was worth the shot compared to the other options. He just looks more like Melo/Randle combo unfortunately.

[eyriq]

You're lying to yourself if Paolo isn't concerning. I fell for the hype as much as anyone else. Magic overachieved and everyone was on the moon. But the stats and the eye test for his career so far suggest he's simply an inefficient scorer who turns it over at an alarming rate...and doesn't play any defense most of the time. Its not looking great for him to become best player on a championship team.

He is still young though, maybe he becomes a mid range savant and makes some better decisions. We have seen him play composed, it is possible.

Sometimes you get the #1 pick and it's Paolo.

The chance that he could be a 6'10 Lebron like player was worth the shot compared to the other options. He just looks more like Melo/Randle combo unfortunately.

For the record I'm not concerned about him at all. He projects to be an absolute beast IMO

[Last Guardian]

Sometimes you get the #1 pick and it's Paolo.

The chance that he could be a 6'10 Lebron like player was worth the shot compared to the other options. He just looks more like Melo/Randle combo unfortunately.

For the record I'm not concerned about him at all. He projects to be an absolute beast IMO

I certainly hope so!

[Bergmaniac]

You're lying to yourself if Paolo isn't concerning. I fell for the hype as much as anyone else. Magic overachieved and everyone was on the moon. But the stats and the eye test for his career so far suggest he's simply an inefficient scorer who turns it over at an alarming rate...and doesn't play any defense most of the time. Its not looking great for him to become best player on a championship team.

Paolo isn't a great defender by any means, but to say "he doesn't play any defense most of the time" is really unfair to him and just not true at all.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

You're lying to yourself if Paolo isn't concerning. I fell for the hype as much as anyone else. Magic overachieved and everyone was on the moon. But the stats and the eye test for his career so far suggest he's simply an inefficient scorer who turns it over at an alarming rate...and doesn't play any defense most of the time. Its not looking great for him to become best player on a championship team.

He is still young though, maybe he becomes a mid range savant and makes some better decisions. We have seen him play composed, it is possible.

I guess I am lying to myself. He is young, has grown every single season, and learning to play after coming back from an injury. He has room to grow and I’m excited to see how he improves.