What if Giannis chooses and Toronto on short list - Does this change Conversation?

[junot111]

lol it would be so funny to get Giannis and keep Scottie somehow just to see all these people eat crow.

If Giannis says “Toronto. Only Toronto. And I want to play with Scottie”, that would get very very interesting.

The whole hypothetical here is unlikely, but if MIL agrees to do right by Giannis and Giannis asks for a certain place we really can’t say what the trade package will end up looking like.

Why would he say that? Scottie isn't Luka or Wemby where other players are dying to play with him. Toronto was just in the lottery so it's not like we are good team that's just a Giannis away from being a championship favourite.

He gave Scottie one small compliment and now people are running with the idea that Giannis is gonna hold the Bucks hostage to play with Scottie Barnes.

This fanbase never ceases to amaze me

[YogurtProducer]

lol it would be so funny to get Giannis and keep Scottie somehow just to see all these people eat crow.

If Giannis says “Toronto. Only Toronto. And I want to play with Scottie”, that would get very very interesting.

The whole hypothetical here is unlikely, but if MIL agrees to do right by Giannis and Giannis asks for a certain place we really can’t say what the trade package will end up looking like.

Why would he say that? Scottie isn't Luka or Wemby where other players are dying to play with him. Toronto was just in the lottery so it's not like we are good team that's just a Giannis away from being a championship favourite.

I don't think he will say that. Never did I ever say he would.

The only hope we have is Giannis has a Masai connection he wants to see through, and through that he wants to play for Toronto and wants Toronto to retain Scottie Barnes on his trade.

Less to do with Scottie, more to do with Masai.

its not gonna happen at all. But the entire **** hypothetical is "what if". So coming in here and being like "He WoNt dO tHaT" is just stupid. Go to a different thread.

[EH15]

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Let's stop posting him. He legitimately has zero sources. I trust random rubbish on RealGM over his words

[Jadoogar]

lol it would be so funny to get Giannis and keep Scottie somehow just to see all these people eat crow.

If Giannis says “Toronto. Only Toronto. And I want to play with Scottie”, that would get very very interesting.

The whole hypothetical here is unlikely, but if MIL agrees to do right by Giannis and Giannis asks for a certain place we really can’t say what the trade package will end up looking like.

Why would he say that? Scottie isn't Luka or Wemby where other players are dying to play with him. Toronto was just in the lottery so it's not like we are good team that's just a Giannis away from being a championship favourite.

I don't think he will say that. Never did I ever say he would.

The only hope we have is Giannis has a Masai connection he wants to see through, and through that he wants to play for Toronto and wants Toronto to retain Scottie Barnes on his trade.

Less to do with Scottie, more to do with Masai.

its not gonna happen at all. But the entire **** hypothetical is "what if". So coming in here and being like "He WoNt dO tHaT" is just stupid. Go to a different thread.

because the hypothetical should be rooted in some sort of reality. It's not unrealistic that he would want to come to Toronto, that's a perfectly fine hypothetical and it's good to discuss what a fair offer would be.

Imagine what to do if he says he only wants to come to Toronto AND wants the team to keep scottie is just dumb. Why stop there? What is he says that he only wants the Raptors to trade second round picks? Might as well discuss what we should do if the NBA decides to move all their games to Mars next year.

[Scase]

derozan for kawhi? never in a million years!

Yeah it's basically the same, if you ignore him being a typically healthy player in his prime, with 2 years + PO left on his contract, and not embroiled in a battle with his former team refusing to play. But who needs pesky details?

To be fair, I do think there is a world where you get Giannis without giving up Scottie. In that world, Giannis has made it known that he only wants to go to Toronto and Milwaukee feels like they have to do that for him. With that said, even if we do hold on to Scottie in that deal, does it make sense for us to keep Scottie on this team? I'd argue you trade him elsewhere and use assets from that trade to build around Giannis.

I'm really not sure why everyone insists on building a Giannis/Scottie team. If we get Giannis, we're getting one the top 3-4 players in the NBA for the next 2-3 years. You do everything possible in that window to bring in players that complement him and win championships.

I don't see a realistic scenario where MIL takes anything less than Scottie, but that said, if it did happen, I'm with you that I don't really see it as a great pairing. I would however probably give it the season to see if there is some special sauce, if not, I'm on board trading Scottie for another very good player to be Giannis' co-star, I have extreme doubts of BI and him working, since BI thrives more in the mid range which could pack the paint area too much.

But if you get Giannis without giving up Scottie, you absolutely have to flip him to build around Giannis I think.

[canada_dry]

Of course it would. It changes everything.

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[YogurtProducer]

Why would he say that? Scottie isn't Luka or Wemby where other players are dying to play with him. Toronto was just in the lottery so it's not like we are good team that's just a Giannis away from being a championship favourite.

I don't think he will say that. Never did I ever say he would.

The only hope we have is Giannis has a Masai connection he wants to see through, and through that he wants to play for Toronto and wants Toronto to retain Scottie Barnes on his trade.

Less to do with Scottie, more to do with Masai.

its not gonna happen at all. But the entire **** hypothetical is "what if". So coming in here and being like "He WoNt dO tHaT" is just stupid. Go to a different thread.

because the hypothetical should be rooted in some sort of reality. It's not unrealistic that he would want to come to Toronto, that's a perfectly fine hypothetical and it's good to discuss what a fair offer would be.

Imagine what to do if he says he only wants to come to Toronto AND wants the team to keep scottie is just dumb. Why stop there? What is he says that he only wants the Raptors to trade second round picks? Might as well discuss what we should do if the NBA decides to move all their games to Mars next year.

So it’s not unrealistic that Giannis would wanna come to Toronto, but it’s stupid to think Giannis would wanna play with Scottie

Jesus man, what mental gymnastics are you pulling off here?

Long story short, we cannot offer the best deal. The only way Giannis comes here is if he picks us himself and Milwaukee does him a solid and just does it. That’s already unrealistic.

[djsunyc]

It just gets annoying how people put together fantasy trades on this board with no level of thought. You CANNOT get Giannis without sending Barnes the other way. The whole point of the deal for Milwaukee would be to get a high level young talent back. Otherwise they'd just trade with someone who is offering that (Green from Houston even though I don't rate him, etc.)

derozan for kawhi? never in a million years!

awful comparison. Kawhi was coming off an injured season, had 1 year left on his deal and everyone knew he preferred LA. It was still a heist of a trade but Kawhi's value was at his lowest, complete opposite of Giannis.

some of you missed the point. situations and circumstances change. any derozan for kswhi post was received with 'wtf?' until you know, it happened.

yall just dig your heels into some stance and my way and the highway it. not talking about you specifically but you in general. yes, if giannis wants tp come here, it could be a package not involving barnes. we've seen many great players dealt for lesser players than scottie. it would most likely involve him but the mere suggestion it might not brings out the pitchforks.

[TheRaptor!]

Why wouldnt he choose Toronto?

Stay in the east and his main competition stopping him from going to the Finals again is the Knicks and Pacers (boston is out next year without Tatum)

Who can trade for him and keep a better roster than:

Quickly RJ Ingram Giannis Poelt

In the east?

We can move RJ abnd Poelt for some better fitting pieces, maybe grab Lopez or Portis with him

[mihaic]

Why wouldnt he choose Toronto?

Stay in the east and his main competition stopping him from going to the Finals again is the Knicks and Pacers (boston is out next year without Tatum)

Who can trade for him and keep a better roster than:

Quickly RJ Ingram Giannis Poelt

In the east?

We can move RJ abnd Poelt for some better fitting pieces, maybe grab Lopez or Portis with him

Orlando could trade Wagner and picks. I didn't see that mentioned in rumours.

Cleveland could trade Mobley or Garland, and perhaps Hunter, and/or one of Strus or Jerome, but they don't have picks to attach. That would be a super stacked Cavs team.

[TheRaptor!]

Why wouldnt he choose Toronto?

Stay in the east and his main competition stopping him from going to the Finals again is the Knicks and Pacers (boston is out next year without Tatum)

Who can trade for him and keep a better roster than:

Quickly RJ Ingram Giannis Poelt

In the east?

We can move RJ abnd Poelt for some better fitting pieces, maybe grab Lopez or Portis with him

Orlando could trade Wagner and picks. I didn't see that mentioned in rumours.

Cleveland could trade Mobley or Garland, and perhaps Hunter, and/or one of Strus or Jerome, but they don't have picks to attach. That would be a super stacked Cavs team.

I agree with Cleveland but Scottie >>> Wagner

[mihaic]

Why wouldnt he choose Toronto?

Stay in the east and his main competition stopping him from going to the Finals again is the Knicks and Pacers (boston is out next year without Tatum)

Who can trade for him and keep a better roster than:

Quickly RJ Ingram Giannis Poelt

In the east?

We can move RJ abnd Poelt for some better fitting pieces, maybe grab Lopez or Portis with him

Orlando could trade Wagner and picks. I didn't see that mentioned in rumours.

Cleveland could trade Mobley or Garland, and perhaps Hunter, and/or one of Strus or Jerome, but they don't have picks to attach. That would be a super stacked Cavs team.

I agree with Cleveland but Scottie >>> Wagner

Perhaps Milwaukee looks for a scorer with Giannis leaving it's not like Scottie is a superstar offensively or something.

[mdenny]

I don't think he will say that. Never did I ever say he would.

The only hope we have is Giannis has a Masai connection he wants to see through, and through that he wants to play for Toronto and wants Toronto to retain Scottie Barnes on his trade.

Less to do with Scottie, more to do with Masai.

its not gonna happen at all. But the entire **** hypothetical is "what if". So coming in here and being like "He WoNt dO tHaT" is just stupid. Go to a different thread.

because the hypothetical should be rooted in some sort of reality. It's not unrealistic that he would want to come to Toronto, that's a perfectly fine hypothetical and it's good to discuss what a fair offer would be.

Imagine what to do if he says he only wants to come to Toronto AND wants the team to keep scottie is just dumb. Why stop there? What is he says that he only wants the Raptors to trade second round picks? Might as well discuss what we should do if the NBA decides to move all their games to Mars next year.

So it’s not unrealistic that Giannis would wanna come to Toronto, but it’s stupid to think Giannis would wanna play with Scottie

Jesus man, what mental gymnastics are you pulling off here?

Long story short, we cannot offer the best deal. The only way Giannis comes here is if he picks us himself and Milwaukee does him a solid and just does it. That’s already unrealistic.

I thought about this some more and if giannis chooses a team I don't think the Bucks would have much choice.

Suppose he picks Houston. But the spurs and OKC offer better packages...scotty's agent simply sends the message that he won't extend with them next summer. That will drastically reduce the offers from spurs/okc because they aren't gonna trade chet/jdub/#2/Castle/multiple picks for a 2 year rental.

If he had 3 years left on his contract it would matter less. 4 years and it wouldn't matter at all.

But 2 years? All of a sudden all those assets sound like a lot.

These trade packages are gonna be so big....they would only make sense under the assumption he'll sign an extension next summer. And that's where his leverage comes into play.

Giannis could do the bucks a solid by giving them a 3 team shortlist. Then they will have a bargaining war. But he also has the power to play hardball and insist on a single team. He doesn't seem the type to do that though.

[TorontoBarneys]

I agree with Scase lol, #9 is nothing special. You're not getting Giannis with filler, #9 and a bunch of late teens/20s picks attached.

[Tripod]

Why would he say that? Scottie isn't Luka or Wemby where other players are dying to play with him. Toronto was just in the lottery so it's not like we are good team that's just a Giannis away from being a championship favourite.

I don't think he will say that. Never did I ever say he would.

The only hope we have is Giannis has a Masai connection he wants to see through, and through that he wants to play for Toronto and wants Toronto to retain Scottie Barnes on his trade.

Less to do with Scottie, more to do with Masai.

its not gonna happen at all. But the entire **** hypothetical is "what if". So coming in here and being like "He WoNt dO tHaT" is just stupid. Go to a different thread.

because the hypothetical should be rooted in some sort of reality. It's not unrealistic that he would want to come to Toronto, that's a perfectly fine hypothetical and it's good to discuss what a fair offer would be.

Imagine what to do if he says he only wants to come to Toronto AND wants the team to keep scottie is just dumb. Why stop there? What is he says that he only wants the Raptors to trade second round picks? Might as well discuss what we should do if the NBA decides to move all their games to Mars next year.

Didn't Kawhi agree to go to Clippers on the basis that they would trade for PG?

Sometimes weird things happen.

I don't think we get Giannis anyways...fwiw.

[canz55]

If you're the NBA you want Giannis staying in the Eastern Conference.

If Giannis ends up going West its going to be very difficult for TV distribution to sell time to advertisers for anything NBA related between 7:00pm to 9:30 EST because the Eastern conference games will become unwatchable (outside of the New York area).

[LBJKB24MJ23]

- We know the connection with Masai.

- Giannis has made comments about playing with Scottie and Raptors hypothetically have pieces to still have a win-now team around him.

- I doubt he would say "only Toronto" but what if they are amongst a finalist of teams he would welcome a trade?

a) wanting to go to competent franchise
b) with some win now talent --- how would we stack up then?

Does an RJ, Dick, Shead all the picks package not even get the conversation started?

- An established up and coming player (RJ)
- Promising young player top 10 pick (Dick)
- Interesting PG prospect (Shead)
- Another top 10 pick deep draft(9th overall - 2025)
- All remaining picks possible to trade

Is it a complete pipe dream even in that scenario?

PG- Quickley
SG - Ingram
SF- Barnes
PF- Giannis
C- Poeltl

Walter, Obaji, Mogbo, Battle, Boucher, Lawson, 2nd round big?

Is that a championship favorite after OKC?

this team ain't winning a chip with Poeltl at center.

[OhCanada]

People, get it together. There is no trade for Giannis without Scottie going the other way, unless Masai has some dirt on Horst, or he's on the take like Nico was or something.

Stop thinking we can come out after that trade with our best player/asset, it's just insanity.

It just gets annoying how people put together fantasy trades on this board with no level of thought. You CANNOT get Giannis without sending Barnes the other way. The whole point of the deal for Milwaukee would be to get a high level young talent back. Otherwise they'd just trade with someone who is offering that (Green from Houston even though I don't rate him, etc.)

I don't think they get both Barnes and #9. I think they get one or the other.

[sidsid]

I don't think he will say that. Never did I ever say he would.

The only hope we have is Giannis has a Masai connection he wants to see through, and through that he wants to play for Toronto and wants Toronto to retain Scottie Barnes on his trade.

Less to do with Scottie, more to do with Masai.

its not gonna happen at all. But the entire **** hypothetical is "what if". So coming in here and being like "He WoNt dO tHaT" is just stupid. Go to a different thread.

because the hypothetical should be rooted in some sort of reality. It's not unrealistic that he would want to come to Toronto, that's a perfectly fine hypothetical and it's good to discuss what a fair offer would be.

Imagine what to do if he says he only wants to come to Toronto AND wants the team to keep scottie is just dumb. Why stop there? What is he says that he only wants the Raptors to trade second round picks? Might as well discuss what we should do if the NBA decides to move all their games to Mars next year.

Didn't Kawhi agree to go to Clippers on the basis that they would trade for PG?

Sometimes weird things happen.

I don't think we get Giannis anyways...fwiw.

A crucial point to remember, and it's not weird at all, is that stars want to play with other stars. This has been proven over, and over...and OVER again. Kawhi likely saw the team as two pieces. He has a star in Lowry to play with, but needs another big star like PG to contend with and Siakam still being too young and raw wasn't it.

Every fanbase wants to delude themselves and think that the depth of Ibaka and FVV and Norm and his friendship means something, but these are role players...

Do you know what Giannis thinks of Jak? [Don Draper voice] He doesn't think of him at all. This team has a rookie of the year, all-star caliber player, with another former, often injured (likely impacting his thought process after Dame) all-star and a bunch of contract role players and draft assets. What he thinks about that other stuff is the acceptable price of getting him on this team and playing with stars, with hopefully enough left over to get more.

[NotMyKawhi]

- We know the connection with Masai.

- Giannis has made comments about playing with Scottie and Raptors hypothetically have pieces to still have a win-now team around him.

- I doubt he would say "only Toronto" but what if they are amongst a finalist of teams he would welcome a trade?

a) wanting to go to competent franchise
b) with some win now talent --- how would we stack up then?

Does an RJ, Dick, Shead all the picks package not even get the conversation started?

- An established up and coming player (RJ)
- Promising young player top 10 pick (Dick)
- Interesting PG prospect (Shead)
- Another top 10 pick deep draft(9th overall - 2025)
- All remaining picks possible to trade

Is it a complete pipe dream even in that scenario?

PG- Quickley
SG - Ingram
SF- Barnes
PF- Giannis
C- Poeltl

Walter, Obaji, Mogbo, Battle, Boucher, Lawson, 2nd round big?

Is that a championship favorite after OKC?

this team ain't winning a chip with Poeltl at center.

Id trust Poeltl over any of our players. You obviously don't watch games