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tamaraw08 wrote:

zero rings wrote:PG: Derrick White
SG: Desmond Bane
SF: Franz Wagner
PF: Aaron Gordon
C: Nikola Jokic

6M: Alex Caruso

Nasty defensive team built around the greatest offensive player of all time. No weaknesses, easy championship.

I can't believe very few are picking Jokic as their lone allstar because the guy can play center on defense and play PG/key facilitator on offense.
Derrick White is a lot more dependable than Murray esp on defense, same with Bane and Gordon over other SG's and PFs
But I would replace Franz who is a below average 3pt shooter and replace him with Shane Battier, much better defense and solid shooter.
Caruso is the best 6 m IMO.

I don’t know about Battier being better on defense. Franz is elite.

I do like Battier’s spacing and I did consider him here, but I think Franz is too good of an all-around player to pass up. If I wanted another shooter I’d probably swap out Gordon.

Sixers in 4 wrote:Wasn't Mike Conley an allstar?

\yeah but not till 33 and not even his best season. So forever he was "the best guy never an allstar". There like 40 of those guys but he was one of them for years.

tamaraw08 wrote:

zero rings wrote:PG: Derrick White
SG: Desmond Bane
SF: Franz Wagner
PF: Aaron Gordon
C: Nikola Jokic

6M: Alex Caruso

Nasty defensive team built around the greatest offensive player of all time. No weaknesses, easy championship.

I can't believe very few are picking Jokic as their lone allstar because the guy can play center on defense and play PG/key facilitator on offense.
Derrick White is a lot more dependable than Murray esp on defense, same with Bane and Gordon over other SG's and PFs
But I would replace Franz who is a below average 3pt shooter and replace him with Shane Battier, much better defense and solid shooter.
Caruso is the best 6 m IMO.

The problem with Jokic is there are so many great defensive big men who weren't allstars.

zero rings wrote:

tamaraw08 wrote:

zero rings wrote:PG: Derrick White
SG: Desmond Bane
SF: Franz Wagner
PF: Aaron Gordon
C: Nikola Jokic

6M: Alex Caruso

Nasty defensive team built around the greatest offensive player of all time. No weaknesses, easy championship.

I can't believe very few are picking Jokic as their lone allstar because the guy can play center on defense and play PG/key facilitator on offense.
Derrick White is a lot more dependable than Murray esp on defense, same with Bane and Gordon over other SG's and PFs
But I would replace Franz who is a below average 3pt shooter and replace him with Shane Battier, much better defense and solid shooter.
Caruso is the best 6 m IMO.

I don’t know about Battier being better on defense. Franz is elite.

I do like Battier’s spacing and I did consider him here, but I think Franz is too good of an all-around player to pass up. If I wanted another shooter I’d probably swap out Gordon.

Battier is a rare non big man that peaked multiple years on XRAPM in the 99th percentile. Franz so far 96th. Both great choices but Battier relative to league was better. He's a solid consideration for best non big man defender ever.

Arvydas Sabonis
Aaron Gordan
Jerome Kersey
Michael Jordan
Jamal Murray

I find it surprising that so few people are choosing Sam Perkins or, even if they don't remember him, Ibaka. In the modern NBA, Sam Perkins would undoubtedly be an all-star. He had a legit 3-shot. Defended. Rebounded and capable of playing PF or center.



https://medium.com/@vikramdimba/sam-perkins-the-most-valuable-shooting-big-man-in-the-nba-today-617ac30c2242

I had a hard time choosing between him and Odom in the starting lineup, to be honest.

Clav wrote:[Final PPG: 153.8


Edit: We both have Odom LOL

LOL and smh 153.8 well done sir

Derek Harper
Luka Doncic
Cedric Maxwell
Lamar Odom
Arvydas Sabonis (this choice almost feels like cheating depending on which version)

zero rings wrote:I’m surprised Franz isn’t getting more love in this thread. He’s an incredible defensive player, and he’s pretty good on offense with his combination of size, playmaking, and slashing ability. He’s got a +9.3 on/off for his career, which is a superstar number.

Right now I think he’s the best player to never make an All-Star team.

I think most view him as an all star caliber guy just without the all star title. Him and bane to me are basically all star level.

Mr Puddles wrote:PG: Rod Strickland - made all NBA but somehow never and all star team.
SG: Ron Harper - was legit pre-injury, also had a beast of a rookie campaign
SF: Tony Kukoc - tough pick over Cedric Maxwell and Odom. Mostly for his shooting skills and I believe he'd thrive in today's nba.
PF: LeBron James - over Jordan for team balance purposes
C: Marcus Camby - former DPOY but never an allstar.

Steve Smith was robbed of All-NBA that year in '98 but they didn't want to give the Hawks two players.

tamaraw08 wrote:

zero rings wrote:PG: Derrick White
SG: Desmond Bane
SF: Franz Wagner
PF: Aaron Gordon
C: Nikola Jokic

6M: Alex Caruso

Nasty defensive team built around the greatest offensive player of all time. No weaknesses, easy championship.

I can't believe very few are picking Jokic as their lone allstar because the guy can play center on defense and play PG/key facilitator on offense.
Derrick White is a lot more dependable than Murray esp on defense, same with Bane and Gordon over other SG's and PFs
But I would replace Franz who is a below average 3pt shooter and replace him with Shane Battier, much better defense and solid shooter.
Caruso is the best 6 m IMO.

There are simply a lot of great Point Guards available that didn´t make an All Star team. So you don´t really need his playmaking skills that much. I can go Rod Strickland, Andre Miller, Jason Terry, Mike Bibby, Jamal Crawford, Derek Harper, C. J. McCollum, Damon Stoudamire, Jalen Rose, Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf, or Jamal Murray.

I can literally pick between players that led the league in assists, lead the league in FT percentages, were great scorers, defenders and so on. It´s the position with by far the biggest amount of great choices.

This is an interesting article from 2019. It lists the (then) 10 players that played the most NBA minutes without never making an All Star team. 5 out of
10 are Point Guards, Jamal Crawford, who partially played PG in the league is also in the top 10. So that means 6 of the players I named being in the top 10 of this list.

https://www.si.com/nba/best-nba-players-to-never-make-all-star-game-robert-horry-andre-miller

The simple fact is that Point Guards have a good chance to have a long career, based on (normally) playing a less physical role and being smaller and lighter. So a great generational Point Guard like Magic, Curry, Stockton, Paul will easily block an All Star spot for over a decade, while simultaneously not being considered for another position. A SG might play 1 to 3, a SF 2 to 4, a PF 3 to 5, a C 4 to 5, but it will be the least likely that there will be more than 2 or 3 classical Point Guards on an All Star team. There were even seasons like 04-05 where Nash and Arenas were the only 2 All Star point guards in total.

Denver won a ring with that team.

C: Pau Gasol (20.8 PPG)
PF: Jorge Garbajosa (8.5 PPG)
SF: Rudy Fernández (10.4 PPG)
SG: Juan Carlos Navarro (10.9 PPG)
PG: Ricky Rubio (13.1 PPG)

6th man: José Manuel Calderón (12.8 PPG)

I know the names don't sound that great, but if they lost by 11 points to Bron, Kobe, Wade, Howard and Paul, I think they can beat your teams.

I could have used Ibaka or Mirotic for PF, but went with Garba instead because, although Serge and Niko played for our NT, they were not born and raised in Spain. It's a shame Garbajosa got injured his 2nd year in Toronto, he was a hell of a player.

do I get prime Arvydas Sabonis? There's actually some crazy teams you can make from this, even with no allstars at all.

2011 mavs count?

ShootersShoot wrote:2011 mavs count?

only allowed 1 allstar player

balrog27 wrote:do I get prime Arvydas Sabonis? There's actually some crazy teams you can make from this, even with no allstars at all.

You get which ever year is best year for your players

This is a fun topic.

PG: Stephen Curry
SG: CJ McCollum
SF: Jalen Rose
PF: Serge Ibaka
C: Marcus Camby

I am relying a lot on that rim protection! And shooting, obviously.

zero rings wrote:I’m surprised Franz isn’t getting more love in this thread. He’s an incredible defensive player, and he’s pretty good on offense with his combination of size, playmaking, and slashing ability. He’s got a +9.3 on/off for his career, which is a superstar number.

Right now I think he’s the best player to never make an All-Star team.

He would get more love if he didn't shoot 29% on his 3PT.

Larry Ellison wrote:This is a fun topic.

PG: Stephen Curry
SG: CJ McCollum
SF: Jalen Rose
PF: Serge Ibaka
C: Marcus Camby

I am relying a lot on that rim protection! And shooting, obviously.

I swapped Toni Kukoc for Jalen Rose. Very close. Looking for playmaking from SF with this build. Peak Jalen was very good.