Giannis wants to win now, what's your offer to get him on a real contender?

[Woodsanity]

Kat + Bridges + some spare parts and picks.

[SkyBill40]

Simple:



Everyone wants to win. Go out there and do it, not bellyache because it's hard.

[Packbuckman]

The Bucks are not contending starting KPJ, Trent and Kuzma at the 1-3. I don’t care how good Giannis is.

Kuzma will be traded if he don’t accept his role and he is not starting. KPJ and Trent will be a good back court for Giannis they both can shoot. This team lead the league in 3 pt percentage expect a lot of 3’s this year with great defense.

Who is starting over Kuzma? And if you need to trade him that means he’s a bad contract and you have one of the worst draft assets (and young player) bases to try and make an upgrade. If Kuzma can’t be a “solid” starting level player that will make your 1-3 even worse.

I can’t see how you keep up your 3pt shooting considering you lost Dame, who is one of the best 3pt shooters ever. How are you making up that volume (and shot difficulty)?

Who are you getting secondary playmaking from? KPJ and Anthony? Those are some of the worst secondary playmaking options in the league.

There’s no way Giannis can carry this team to contender level. Outside of Giannis and Turner I don’t know if they even have another clear cut starting level player (especially if Kuzma is going to continue to struggle).

Dame was a part of the 3 pt shooting but guys like Trent AJ Green Portis Turner KPJ Rollins are all very good to great 3 pt shooters. And are best lineup was a 3 guard lineup with Giannis now we have Turner to replace Lopez who was picked on for being immobile.
This team is younger and more athletic than last years team. I bet this team wins 50 gms and if kuzma can’t play the 3 with great defense he won’t play much and will be traded at deadline he has an expiring contract no need to add anything to him.

[GiannisAnte34]

The Bucks are not contending starting KPJ, Trent and Kuzma at the 1-3. I don’t care how good Giannis is.

Kuzma will be traded if he don’t accept his role and he is not starting. KPJ and Trent will be a good back court for Giannis they both can shoot. This team lead the league in 3 pt percentage expect a lot of 3’s this year with great defense.

Who is starting over Kuzma? And if you need to trade him that means he’s a bad contract and you have one of the worst draft assets (and young player) bases to try and make an upgrade. If Kuzma can’t be a “solid” starting level player that will make your 1-3 even worse.

I can’t see how you keep up your 3pt shooting considering you lost Dame, who is one of the best 3pt shooters ever. How are you making up that volume (and shot difficulty)?

Who are you getting secondary playmaking from? KPJ and Anthony? Those are some of the worst secondary playmaking options in the league.

There’s no way Giannis can carry this team to contender level. Outside of Giannis and Turner I don’t know if they even have another clear cut starting level player (especially if Kuzma is going to continue to struggle).

Kuzma is a 4, why would Kuzma start over Giannis? The move to get him was purely financial, they can move him fairly easily as an expiring contract at the trade deadline if he can't produce at the 3 or lead the bench.

The Bucks are loaded with good to great 3 pt shooters. Swapping out Lopez and Dame for much younger and athletic players will have a big impact on their defense.

The Bucks only having 2 "clear cut starting level players" is mega hyperbole. I'll assume you think that the Raptors are loaded with these starter and star level players too, right?

[Clav]

I can't figure it out on spotrac but my idea was LeBron to Miami, Giannis to LAL framework. Second half of the trade [which is the important asset needs for Milwaukee] equates to LA sending some pieces such as Rui Reaves, and Miami sending players Wiggins/Rozier/JJJ or something as well.

Second idea is the same thing but LeBron going to Cleveland intead of Miami, but it likely means a wicked problem for CLE's roster as well, and all in all will just be too difficult to pull off without one team being unhappy, primarily MIL's return (Garland, LAL pieces, or Mitchell) It doesn't seem like this will happen.

It's just not in Milwaukee's best interest, but surely could be slightly interested in a Giannis trade - if the return is just too good to say no to.

[Sixers in 4]

He is going to the lakers book it.

So nothing when Lebron leaves he and Luka will team up everything is set up for that timeline it's the worst kept secret in the NBA.

[ConSarnit]

Kuzma will be traded if he don’t accept his role and he is not starting. KPJ and Trent will be a good back court for Giannis they both can shoot. This team lead the league in 3 pt percentage expect a lot of 3’s this year with great defense.

Who is starting over Kuzma? And if you need to trade him that means he’s a bad contract and you have one of the worst draft assets (and young player) bases to try and make an upgrade. If Kuzma can’t be a “solid” starting level player that will make your 1-3 even worse.

I can’t see how you keep up your 3pt shooting considering you lost Dame, who is one of the best 3pt shooters ever. How are you making up that volume (and shot difficulty)?

Who are you getting secondary playmaking from? KPJ and Anthony? Those are some of the worst secondary playmaking options in the league.

There’s no way Giannis can carry this team to contender level. Outside of Giannis and Turner I don’t know if they even have another clear cut starting level player (especially if Kuzma is going to continue to struggle).

Kuzma is a 4, why would Kuzma start over Giannis? The move to get him was purely financial, they can move him fairly easily as an expiring contract at the trade deadline if he can't produce at the 3 or lead the bench.

The Bucks are loaded with good to great 3 pt shooters. Swapping out Lopez and Dame for much younger and athletic players will have a big impact on their defense.

The Bucks only having 2 "clear cut starting level players" is mega hyperbole. I'll assume you think that the Raptors are loaded with these starter and star level players too, right?

Who is starting at the 3 for the Bucks if not Kuzma? Also, Kuzma is not expiring this year.

The defensive impact between Lopez and Turner will be marginal. Both are the same tier player. Lopez slipped a bit last year but Turner is no massive upgrade. You just reset the clock on “rim protecting spacing C”

I agree their defense should be better but the offense is going to take a hit. They have no one who can come close to Dame’s impact on that end.

Your Raptors comment is what we call whataboutism. It’s not relevant to the Bucks or this argument. I’ll answer anyways: the Raptors have 4 clear starting level players. IQ, Ingram, Barnes and Poeltl. Barrett is borderline.

Whataboutism makes you look weak because you can’t actually address the issues I brought up. Instead you deflected to the Raptors who no one in this thread mentioned. Answer the question: who are these starting level players the Bucks have been hiding? You’ve got Giannis, Turner, Kuzma (if he bounces back) and who else?

Finally, you missed the entire point of the argument. My argument was the push back that the Bucks are contenders. They are not. They don’t have the talent. They have no guard/wing close to the level of either Khris or Jrue. Turner for Lopez (of 4 years ago) is a wash. This doesn’t even account for the $22m salary hole they have due to Dame’s stretch. That’s starter level salary that can’t be used.

Giannis is excellent. Turner is good. The rest of the roster is bad, especially for a “contender”. If Giannis went down would this team win 20 games?

[ConSarnit]

Kuzma will be traded if he don’t accept his role and he is not starting. KPJ and Trent will be a good back court for Giannis they both can shoot. This team lead the league in 3 pt percentage expect a lot of 3’s this year with great defense.

Who is starting over Kuzma? And if you need to trade him that means he’s a bad contract and you have one of the worst draft assets (and young player) bases to try and make an upgrade. If Kuzma can’t be a “solid” starting level player that will make your 1-3 even worse.

I can’t see how you keep up your 3pt shooting considering you lost Dame, who is one of the best 3pt shooters ever. How are you making up that volume (and shot difficulty)?

Who are you getting secondary playmaking from? KPJ and Anthony? Those are some of the worst secondary playmaking options in the league.

There’s no way Giannis can carry this team to contender level. Outside of Giannis and Turner I don’t know if they even have another clear cut starting level player (especially if Kuzma is going to continue to struggle).

Dame was a part of the 3 pt shooting but guys like Trent AJ Green Portis Turner KPJ Rollins are all very good to great 3 pt shooters. And are best lineup was a 3 guard lineup with Giannis now we have Turner to replace Lopez who was picked on for being immobile.
This team is younger and more athletic than last years team. I bet this team wins 50 gms and if kuzma can’t play the 3 with great defense he won’t play much and will be traded at deadline he has an expiring contract no need to add anything to him.

Who is generating these 3’s for these guys when Giannis isn’t on the floor? These are guys that need to be set up and Cole Anthony ain’t going to cut it.

If Kuzma can’t play who is playing the 3? Because you clearly don’t have a starting level 3 waiting in the wings to take his spot.

Why do multiple Bucks fans think Kuzma is expiring? He’s owed $20.3m in ‘26/27. If Kuzma is so bad he can’t even start you’re going to have to pay to get off of him. Or take on an even worse, longer contract.

[GiannisAnte34]

Who is starting over Kuzma? And if you need to trade him that means he’s a bad contract and you have one of the worst draft assets (and young player) bases to try and make an upgrade. If Kuzma can’t be a “solid” starting level player that will make your 1-3 even worse.

I can’t see how you keep up your 3pt shooting considering you lost Dame, who is one of the best 3pt shooters ever. How are you making up that volume (and shot difficulty)?

Who are you getting secondary playmaking from? KPJ and Anthony? Those are some of the worst secondary playmaking options in the league.

There’s no way Giannis can carry this team to contender level. Outside of Giannis and Turner I don’t know if they even have another clear cut starting level player (especially if Kuzma is going to continue to struggle).

Kuzma is a 4, why would Kuzma start over Giannis? The move to get him was purely financial, they can move him fairly easily as an expiring contract at the trade deadline if he can't produce at the 3 or lead the bench.

The Bucks are loaded with good to great 3 pt shooters. Swapping out Lopez and Dame for much younger and athletic players will have a big impact on their defense.

The Bucks only having 2 "clear cut starting level players" is mega hyperbole. I'll assume you think that the Raptors are loaded with these starter and star level players too, right?

Who is starting at the 3 for the Bucks if not Kuzma? Also, Kuzma is not expiring this year.

The defensive impact between Lopez and Turner will be marginal. Both are the same tier player. Lopez slipped a bit last year but Turner is no massive upgrade. You just reset the clock on “rim protecting spacing C”

I agree their defense should be better but the offense is going to take a hit. They have no one who can come close to Dame’s impact on that end.

Your Raptors comment is what we call whataboutism. It’s not relevant to the Bucks or this argument. I’ll answer anyways: the Raptors have 4 clear starting level players. IQ, Ingram, Barnes and Poeltl. Barrett is borderline.

Whataboutism makes you look weak because you can’t actually address the issues I brought up. Instead you deflected to the Raptors who no one in this thread mentioned. Answer the question: who are these starting level players the Bucks have been hiding? You’ve got Giannis, Turner, Kuzma (if he bounces back) and who else?

Finally, you missed the entire point of the argument. My argument was the push back that the Bucks are contenders. They are not. They don’t have the talent. They have no guard/wing close to the level of either Khris or Jrue. Turner for Lopez (of 4 years ago) is a wash. This doesn’t even account for the $22m salary hole they have due to Dame’s stretch. That’s starter level salary that can’t be used.

Giannis is excellent. Turner is good. The rest of the roster is bad, especially for a “contender”. If Giannis went down would this team win 20 games?

Strength of the Bucks is always relative to the rest of the league brother, so it isn’t whataboutism to take stock on rivals such as the Raptors

Categorizing Turner as a marginal upgrade to last seasons Brook is comical. I appreciate your opinion but it can safely be dismissed

[djsunyc]

[GoldenAntlers]

Can we stop these.

[jbk1234]

I had a dream that the Cavs traded Garland and Allen for him and it was so realistic when I woke up I thought it was true

Garland and Mobley (plus the at least one 1st Cavs have) is a realistic trade offer.

The Cavs aren't going to offer Mobley. People can be mad about it, but Cleveland is a mid-market team as well.

[brackdan70]

Reaves, Rui, Ayton, FRP and pick swap

Not even close lol.

[DutchManDanFan]

Send Steph to the Bucks and Giannis plays for a contender.

[Blame Rasho]

Anthony Edwards plus, then trade Randle for a good PG? A McDaniels, Giannis, Gobert defense would be a lot of fun.

Giannis is one of the four best players in the league. Even if Ant is #5, there’s a pretty big gap. Offers need to respect Giannis

No shrinky… you move heaven and earth to find a way to get Edwards and Giannis together.

A lot of people say that, and sure, it would be fantastic to pair both players. But the reality of the situation is that stacking minor asset on minor asset doesn’t reach the trade value offer of a team’s #1 player.

Look at MIN. They have some positive assets, in Jaden McDaniels, Donte DiVincenzo, Naz Reid, Gobert/Randle, TJ Shannon, Rob Dillingham. But if you were MIL, I think you’d rather have young, locked up Ant over all that combined. Stars drive franchises, not lots of complimentary players.

I love Ant and would miss him terribly, but over the next few years, Giannis is a better player. Already a HOF lock. I don’t think there is a realistic, winning trade offer in heaven and earth that any teams can make that doesn’t include their best asset as a headliner.

It doesn’t mean you don’t try. They are short picks and some youth is always better on paper than on the court.

It is rare when you get a chance to put two top 5 players together and let’s be honest, they would mesh extremely well.

It will not be easy, but we have seen Luka traded out of Dallas… so I refuse to believe that Giannis can’t be traded.

[JHFVF07]

Spurs!! Castle, Harper and a ton of picks.

Fox/Gianis/Wemby.

[knicksfan974]

Spurs!! Castle, Harper and a ton of picks.

Fox/Gianis/Wemby.

Not bad if you are the Bucks. First if you admit to yourself that you are not winning anything with the current roster and consider Giannis is not getting any younger, it might make sense to deal him now when the value is still high. Getting two top5 selections and future picks to jump start the rebuilding process sounds like a great deal for the Bucks, no?

[TK Smart]

Chet, Topic, Wiggins + picks for Giannis.

[Courant]

The Spurs need a proven veteran player who can help mentor Victor Wembanyama and the other young players, and Giannis Antetokounmpo would be a great leader by example. The Spurs have more than enough assets (players, draft picks) to help Milwaukee restock, and San Antonio has a mid-market feel to emulate what Giannis has had in Milwaukee.

San Antonio gets: Giannis Antetokounmpo and Ryan Rollins (who is trade-eligible in January).

Milwaukee gets: De'Aaron Fox, Keldon Johnson, Jeremy Sochan, Atlanta's unprotected 2027 first-round pick, San Antonio's 2029 first-round pick and the favorable of Dallas' or Minnesota's 2030 first-round pick.

I feel that San Antonio will find out it has too much redundancy and a talent overload between Fox, rookie Dylan Harper and second-year player Stephon Castle. Fox (who just signed a four-year, $229 million contract in August) will be trade-eligible at the trade deadline in February. Milwaukee also will see what its retooled roster looks like, and I feel the Bucks' glaring need at point guard will necessitate this move. The Bucks also lack long-term assets to build a team, and having a core of young players and draft picks will allow the Bucks to reboot.

[Wolveswin]

Spurs!! Castle, Harper and a ton of picks.

Fox/Gianis/Wemby.

Hell of a gamble for bucks who don’t own their picks - betting everything on two young players.