So the Magic Officially suck

Illuminati · Post #41 » by **Illuminati** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:12 am

You better not be talking about my team. If the Magic suck you and your team suck like...

Suck like Oxygen!

There.

Sub-Zero · Post #43 » by **Sub-Zero** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:42 am

Rashard lewis so not worth the bucks

Egg Nog · Post #44 » by **Egg Nog** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:45 am

thEthIEf wrote:Rashard Lewis is #1 in made 3's this year, at 109 (111 after tonights games) and outside of Jason Richardson (106 as of tonight), no one else in the league has cracked 100... Keith Bogans is #5 and Hedo is #8...

i mean James Jones is #1, taking what, 83 total 3's this year, and making 44? and Shard has put up 280 and connected on 109...Hell by these numbers Dwight was #1 last year taking one and making one 3 all year long...

again, the posting stats thing, it makes conversation so 1 dimensional, especially when they skew the other facts a bit...

oh, and i know, i know, the raptors have awesome 3 point guys, your team is amazing etc. etc. you win because Kopono is up there...got it...

Man, that sure wasn't the message that I expected. I really shouldn't have used the word "chuck" in my post earlier. No need for putting words in other people's mouths, nobody (I hope) is saying the Raptors are better for any reason.

So I think I might've started this anger by using the word "chuck" and I guess it came off as critical of Orlando's game. Anyone who understands basketball should understand that shooting .333 from 3 is effectively the same as shooting .500 from 2. So all 3 of the Orlando shooters are shooting well above that, which is substantial (especially considering the rate that they shoot them at).

So yeah, I couldn't really tell you why the Magic have been struggling lately. I honestly don't follow them. They employ an unorthadox strategy which I am NOT critical of. It seems to be working pretty well based on their record.

Illuminati · Post #46 » by **Illuminati** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:56 am

That's a fact rofl?!

BaYBaller · Post #47 » by **BaYBaller** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:57 am

I remember earlier in the season people were claiming Rashard was worth the moolah because ORL was winning, when it has been Hedo's excellent play.

And while mathematically shooting .333 from 3pt land is ~.500 2pt shooting, 2pt attempts draw more fouls which lead to FTs, so in reality they aren't the same.

Egg Nog · Post #48 » by **Egg Nog** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:13 am

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Kosta · Post #50 » by **Kosta** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:25 am

celticfan42487 wrote:They did use to have top 5 hardest schedual to start the season.

And they were excelling at that point too. Go figure.

http://teamrankings.com/nba/27powerratings.php3

That's the power rankings for SoS I like to go by because it factors in home games.

Or you can go by your generic ESPN/NBA one http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/stats/rpi?season=2006&sortColumn=sos

For those wondering in the first link ORL SoS is 15, dead middle. In the second one their bottom 5, or easiest 5 scheduals in the leauge. So you can see what the first one's account of home games does. It takes into account some of the back to backs too because most of the brutal 4 in 5 game stretches happen on the road agaist the opposing conference.

Damn, why are Magic fans whining about a tough schedule and all this Mississippi stuff? Fact is, back to back, road game or not, you should beat up on sub par teams. Seems like they've for the most part, they still have a good record, but their lead for 3rd place keeps shrinking every time I look at the standings. They'll get ran out of there soon enough by the surging Wizards or Raps.

And how about that, I knew the Raps had a ridiculous schedule so far, but didn't know we had faced off vs the best of the best so far. We've had our fair share of back to backs as well and have played more road games than home.

Kosta · Post #51 » by **Kosta** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:38 am

thEthIEf wrote:meh...whatever...your opinion...im not sitting here trying to justify things...just throwing out my take on things...im not making excuses...i didn't even refute the fact that the Magic suck...

and i stand by my statement, Magic have 3 of the best 3 point shooters in the league...3 guys i'd trust taking that shot more so than some others out there...even on that list...its your interpretation of best vs mine, and which data you choose to use and also how you perceive that data...so neither of us is correct in the others eyes...simple and plain...

appreciate your time though...

whats the deal with TJ?

I don't know what you judge three point shooting on, but I can bet you $hard, Bogans and Hedo are at the very top of 3 point shot attempts which is why they are so high in 3 pointers made. Pretty simple, just stating the obvious, but obviously you have a different take on it.

I'd put it like this, "The Magic have 3 of the most active 3 point shooters in the NBA"

The Letter J · Post #52 » by **The Letter J** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:30 pm

ORL uses a perimeter scheme. Teams that use perimeter schemes aren't consistent unless they can really distribute, run the floor well, or play decent defense. ORL doesn't do any of those.

ORL doesn't have a starting caliber player at PG, SG, or PF. ORL also overpaid for Lewis.

They can't just add another good player outright because they've spent too much and they suck at drafting. The only option left is to make a trade to find players to fill the holes in their roster.

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Hairy Midget · Post #53 » by **Hairy Midget** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:30 pm

Kosta wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Damn, why are Magic fans whining about a tough schedule and all this Mississippi stuff? Fact is, back to back, road game or not, you should beat up on sub par teams. Seems like they've for the most part, they still have a good record, but their lead for 3rd place keeps shrinking every time I look at the standings. They'll get ran out of there soon enough by the surging Wizards or Raps.

And how about that, I knew the Raps had a ridiculous schedule so far, but didn't know we had faced off vs the best of the best so far. We've had our fair share of back to backs as well and have played more road games than home.

And as much as you think the Raps have had a tough schedule, it was nowhere near as tough as the Magic's.

Optimus_Steel · Post #54 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:38 pm

LOL at people sayin the Magic schedule hasent been that bad. The Magic have played more games than anyone so far. They have played 9 more road games than home games. They are done with all the western conference road games exept for one (Memphis). Several home games have felt like road games because they go on a raod trip, come back home to play one game and then its back on the road the next night. Its not the only reason, lack of defense and mental toughness has been a big reason but i think the schedule has also been a factor. They have looked fatigued in the past week.

T.Duncan21 · Post #55 » by **T.Duncan21** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:38 pm

This thread again... I've posted about this topic in each of the last 3 weeks lol. Look at their roster and honestly tell me that they're a top notch team? They have so many holes that it's not even funny. Thanks to Lewis and the GM... those holes will be staying there for a while. Just enjoy watching an amazing talent like Howard get better and better while his supporting cast stays the same. They made a big splash for a Free agent far too early. U need to let ur best player develop properly first and then add peices or a peice around him afterwards. The worst thing that u could do as a GM is try to speed up the rebuilding process... u need to be patient. I feel like a broken record... I'm done

Malinhion · Post #56 » by **Malinhion** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:00 pm

Orlando had the potential to be a great team, but now they're hamstrung the next six years with Rashard's contract. They'll be stuck trying to fill out the team with the MLE, but they probably won't even spend it every year in fear of the cap. Just resigning young guys is gonna push them far enough over the tax threshold. This team could be a solid playoff force, but they're not complete enough to contend.

sattu · Post #57 » by **sattu** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:44 pm

still a great team, but i jus shake my head whenever i hear Lewis + max contract. Every team has bad weeks or months.

hoop_head · Post #58 » by **hoop_head** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:08 pm

Everyone seems to focus on Howard and Lewis when discussing the Magic.

Without Hedo Turkoglu, the Magic would be .500 at best. Hedo's 2007-2008 stats:

37.7 MPG, 0.425 FG, 0.361 3PT, 0.828 FT.

18.7 PPG, 6.1 REB, 4.2 AST, 1.2 STL, 0.3 BLK, 2.88 TO.

You take Hedo out of the mix, the Magic would struggle to be a .500 team! Let's compare this with Lewis' production. Rashard Lewis 2007-2008 stats:

39.2 MPG, 0.441 FG, 0.391 3PT, 0.848 FT.

18.7 PPG, 5.1 REB, 2.4 AST, 1.1 STL, 0.3 BLK, 1.88 TO.

OK, now for the salaries:

Turkoglu making 6.374 million this year, Lewis making 15.6 million.

Turkoglu is just as responsible for this year's Magic success as Lewis is. It's clear that Hedo is underpaid, and Lewis is overpaid! Give Hedo some money!!! :rofl:

Happyfoosball · Post #59 » by **Happyfoosball** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:19 pm

They played like an elite team through the first 20 games, and have played like a number 10 or 11 seed since. They do suck. They have the talent to be up with the top 3 teams in the nba. They proved that over the first 4th of the season. But talent alone isn't enough. They are young and obviously very stupid.

celticfan42487 · Post #60 » by **celticfan42487** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:25 pm

Hairy Midget wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

And as much as you think the Raps have had a tough schedule, it was nowhere near as tough as the Magic's.

I'm sorry but stats say otherwise.

Just as much for most teams there is a higher win% at home, there is a higher win% against crappy teams/defense.

SoS, either NBA or ESPN, or the link I should that factors in home games both say that at least Raps schedual= Magic schedual.