What are Otis' plans?

Cammo101 · Post #41 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:19 am

mattyBoi wrote:Ok so how long do you think it will take this core to become the final product and what do you think the final product will be?

Will this core win a championship?

I ee no reason to think this team can't be in the finals in a another year or 2. Boston and Detroit are finished products who will only be regressing. We obviously still need to look for ways to improve the team if they present themselves, I am not advocating sitting on our hands for 2 years. Just that we don't have to jump at the first chance to make anything happen.

Cammo101 · Post #42 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:20 am

mattyBoi wrote:Keep in mind we have no trade assets and we have the worst scouting team in the entire league.

San Antonio has a big 3 and then no trade assets, they are a constant winner and just got Kurt Thomas for expirings because they are smart and patneint.

oakfanintheeast · Post #43 » by **oakfanintheeast** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:21 am

[quote="Cammo101"]-= original quote snipped =-

Dwight, Shard, Hedo, Nelson are the core but really you can add Evans, Dooling, and Battie to that list as well. We are talking about like 2 years here, not 10. Hedo will be in his prime for 6 or 7 more years. I'm not saying we should not use the draft and MLE and trade to improve, only that "the sky is falling" mentality is both wrong and annoying.[/quote

i agree the sky isn't falling, but the sky is in a stand still like this organization. how much better is nelson going to get? i would say he reached his potential and is average. Evans dooling and battie are a dime a dozen in this league.

MoMM · Post #44 » by **MoMM** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:21 am

mattyBoi wrote:you guys have too much confidence in Otis

how are we going to get better in the next few years?

trades? ummm that was supposed to be this year with the expirings.

draft? hahaha

How about a lot of veterans signing with Orlando only to play with D12 and has a chance to win a title?

mattyBoi · Post #45 » by **mattyBoi** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:21 am

Im willing to bet anything via paypal that if we keep this core we will not progress like those teams and we SURELY not win a championship.

LOL its just so funny to think that you guys believe this.

Someone give me one example we can improve this team.

mhectorgato · Post #46 » by **mhectorgato** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:22 am

mattyBoi wrote:Im willing to bet anything via paypal that if we keep this core we will not progress like those teams and we SURELY not win a championship.

LOL its just so funny to think that you guys believe this.

Someone give me one example we can improve this team.

Since it's so bad, then find a team with more of an upside. Unless you enjoy being miserable.

Cammo101 · Post #47 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:24 am

mattyBoi wrote:Im willing to bet anything via paypal that if we keep this core we will not progress like those teams and we SURELY not win a championship.

LOL its just so funny to think that you guys believe this.

Someone give me one example we can improve this team.

We can add through the draft, through the MLE, through deadline deals both this season and beyond, we can trade Hedo if the right deal comes along or if at some point we need a change, we can add solid vets who will want to play with Dwight. There are always ways to build around a solid core, we have done the hard part. What is funny is that we are building a lot like San antonio is built, and everyone hates it because it isn't happening right this second.

Cammo101 · Post #48 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:25 am

mhectorgato wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Since it's so bad, then find a team with more of an upside. Unless you enjoy being miserable.

He just likes to throw fire on threads. He has no better plan and will complain no matter what we do or how it turns out.

mattyBoi · Post #49 » by **mattyBoi** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:26 am

MoMM wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

How about a lot of veterans signing with Orlando only to play with D12 and has a chance to win a title?

Ah HAH great point...Dont say it too often though cause alot guys around here think that veterans never sign for the min. cough cough cammo cough

doct3r dr3 · Post #50 » by **doct3r dr3** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:27 am

mattyBoi · Post #51 » by **mattyBoi** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:28 am

I just hope Otis makes a trade so i can shut up

oakfanintheeast · Post #52 » by **oakfanintheeast** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:28 am

mhectorgato wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Since it's so bad, then find a team with more of an upside. Unless you enjoy being miserable.

upside is a moot point when teams make blockbusters that trump upside.

Cammo101 · Post #53 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:29 am

mattyBoi wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Ah HAH great point...Dont say it too often though cause alot guys around here think that veterans never sign for the min. cough cough cammo cough

I'm guessing he meant the Michael Finley, Brent Barry, Garry Payton (in his twilight) type of vets. You were talking about Jason Kidd dude. Subtle difference.

MoMM · Post #54 » by **MoMM** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:41 am

Cammo101 wrote:I'm guessing he meant the Michael Finley, Brent Barry, Garry Payton (in his twilight) type of vets. You were talking about Jason Kidd dude. Subtle difference.

Yes, exactly the way the Spurs has did in last years.

Post #55 » by **Bensational** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:01 am

it's all well and good to want a team to grow and develop, but when you've got expiring contracts on vets that don't push us over the edge, shouldn't be back, and most likely won't be back, then it's poor planning not to use them to your advantage - in this case, trading them.

i personally don't think a deal is coming. we're doing well without one, we'll still be able to fill gaps in the offseason. the reason i don't think a deal is coming is because i'm sure Otis is playing hardball and the asking prices on for our expirings is too much (JJ + draft picks).

maybe someone like Sacto will give in at the deadline if they really wanna be a player in free agency though....

richboy · Post #56 » by **richboy** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:25 am

Cammo101 wrote:Otis' plan was never to win a title this year. Too many people forget that now that we are winning. Look at our teams age versus that of Detroit or Boston. Then think about how the East will look in 2 years or so. So, Otis' plan is to not ruin our future for a quick fix.

You spent 20 per on one player. Your not planning on going for a title this year though? Your not sacrificing the future on a quick fix?

What is Otis plan? When has Otis ever showed long term visionary thinking. This is the guy that signed Battie and Bogans which cost the Magic 7 million in cap space. Then tried to sign Darko then said no. Then passed on trading Darko only to let him go for nothing a few months later.

Since it's so bad, then find a team with more of an upside. Unless you enjoy being miserable.

Who cares about upside. You need to go out and try to win now. Really if your spending 20 per a year on one guy then you should be trying to win now.

Again though this roster reminds me so much of the KG Twolves before the Cassel and Spree trade. While your busy talking about upside a team makes a trade and there better than you. Really its not stretching it that Miami and Atlanta could be better than us just next year.

They have a saying about guys that always hesitate at the clubs. Instead of jumping in and getting there feet wet its like everything has to be aligned just right before you can make a move. If the deadline passes and no moves are made again IMO its the ultimate indicment as Otis as a GM. This summer this team has no expiring contracts and no good young talent to offer in trades. Its a buyers market right now and if you can't take home a girl tonight then you should just quit coming to the party.

Cammo101 · Post #57 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:30 am

Bensational wrote:it's all well and good to want a team to grow and develop, but when you've got expiring contracts on vets that don't push us over the edge, shouldn't be back, and most likely won't be back, then it's poor planning not to use them to your advantage - in this case, trading them.

i personally don't think a deal is coming. we're doing well without one, we'll still be able to fill gaps in the offseason. the reason i don't think a deal is coming is because i'm sure Otis is playing hardball and the asking prices on for our expirings is too much (JJ + draft picks).

maybe someone like Sacto will give in at the deadline if they really wanna be a player in free agency though....

I agree in theory, but the real question here is can we do better with a trade right now or by waiting and using the MLE on someone. The truth of the cap is that we will not be able to do both. It is up to Otis to decide this. If a good deal comes up I am all for it, if not though so be it. We will have a few avenues in the offseason to make an already very good team even better.

Cammo101 · Post #58 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:32 am

richboy wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
They have a saying about guys that always hesitate at the clubs. Instead of jumping in and getting there feet wet its like everything has to be aligned just right before you can make a move. If the deadline passes and no moves are made again IMO its the ultimate indicment as Otis as a GM. This summer this team has no expiring contracts and no good young talent to offer in trades. Its a buyers market right now and if you can't take home a girl tonight then you should just quit coming to the party.

I love this analogy. What I would add though is we do not want to lock ourselves in with an average chick if we have a chance at a hotter one later on. IE this offseason. With every guy that gets moved, it becomes more of a sellers market and less of a buyers one.

richboy · Post #59 » by **richboy** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:40 am

Cammo101 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I love this analogy. What I would add though is we do not want to lock ourselves in with an average chick if we have a chance at a hotter one later on. IE this offseason. With every guy that gets moved, it becomes more of a sellers market and less of a buyers one.

How are you going to get a better chick in the offseason. Will there be any unhappy players left to trade. What will you have to offer in trades.

This is the time to make the move. Even bad teams realize that they can perhaps get something without giving up much. You better make your move now before these girls sober up and realize you don't have much to offer.

Cammo101 · Post #60 » by **Cammo101** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:49 am

richboy wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

How are you going to get a better chick in the offseason. Will there be any unhappy players left to trade. What will you have to offer in trades.

This is the time to make the move. Even bad teams realize that they can perhaps get something without giving up much. You better make your move now before these girls sober up and realize you don't have much to offer.

There will be free agents to sign. We likely can't take on salary now and also use the MLE, a lot of people don't seem to get that. Getting a guy like Miller or Miller for expirings will push us near the luxary tax level and handcuff us from using the MLE in the offseason.