The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason

[jredsaz]

I would like to see Booker passing to Murray or Murray passing to an open Booker vs a non shooting "PG." Again, fan pool, who is better running the offense, Booker, Bledsoe or Knight? Definitely not the "PGs." But lets not have Booker run the offense because he is a "SG" nor Murray.

I'm all in with JMac on this one. If we can't land a top two pick and Murray is on the board he is the bpa imo. Bender is pretty much unknown so I'm leaning toward Murray.

Murray is 1-9 with 0 assists at the half. But you watch him play he moves the ball and picks his spots with a skill beyond his age. He is just not hitting tonight.

Rather have him at 3, 4, or 5 and trade Knight/Bledsoe and possibly the WAS pick for young talent at the 3-4 position.

Is a trade based around Bledsoe for Chris Middleton plus a legit idea?

[dremill24]

Oh god the Spurs might try for Durant..but that's dumb cause they already have a SF in Leonard.

You're overrating positions. Kawhi and KD together would wreck havoc on the league.

[saintEscaton]

I'm all in with JMac on this one. If we can't land a top two pick and Murray is on the board he is the bpa imo. Bender is pretty much unknown so I'm leaning toward Murray.

Murray is 1-9 with 0 assists at the half. But you watch him play he moves the ball and picks his spots with a skill beyond his age. He is just not hitting tonight.

Rather have him at 3, 4, or 5 and trade Knight/Bledsoe and possibly the WAS pick for young talent at the 3-4 position.

Is a trade based around Bledsoe for Chris Middleton plus a legit idea?

Bled wouldn't get you Middleton, they don't really need a PG, Greak Freek is turning into a triple double machine who can carry the load. Heck our pick probably won't him either if its not Top 3

[JMac1]

I'm all in with JMac on this one. If we can't land a top two pick and Murray is on the board he is the bpa imo. Bender is pretty much unknown so I'm leaning toward Murray.

Murray is 1-9 with 0 assists at the half. But you watch him play he moves the ball and picks his spots with a skill beyond his age. He is just not hitting tonight.

Rather have him at 3, 4, or 5 and trade Knight/Bledsoe and possibly the WAS pick for young talent at the 3-4 position.

Is a trade based around Bledsoe for Chris Middleton plus a legit idea?

Knight needs to be traded more than Markieff needed to be traded.

[saintEscaton]

When Murray turns into another Knight, ya'll will be clamoring for him to be dealt too

[JMac1]

When Murray turns into another Knight, ya'll will be clamoring for him to be dealt too

Murray before Brown. Not Ingram, Simmons, or Dunn. If Murray is the BPA and turns into Knight, so be it; then we will get rid of him.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Labissiere with the Washington pick please.

[jeff2020]

Absolutely love kris Dunn at the NBA level

[DirtyDez]

Absolutely love kris Dunn at the NBA level

6th man? I could dig...

[jeff2020]

Absolutely love kris Dunn at the NBA level

6th man? I could dig...

Get Brandon knight the hell out of here and replace him with Dunn as 6th man. Pleeeeeaaaassssseee

[bwgood77]

When Murray turns into another Knight, ya'll will be clamoring for him to be dealt too

Murray before Brown. Not Ingram, Simmons, or Dunn. If Murray is the BPA and turns into Knight, so be it; then we will get rid of him.

If it comes to that I'd rather trade if a good deal comes up, but I don't want Murray because I figured he is another Knight...but I decided to pull up their #s, and Murray is actually shooting much better than Knight did, and oddly enough, the one area he is worse in? Turnovers.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jamal-murray-1.html

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/brandon-knight-1.html

Anyway, we don't need to be spending high draft picks on more guards. If we don't get a spot where we can draft a legit PF prospect, we need to trade out, down, pick up assets, and get the PF either later in the draft, in a trade or both.

I will say I'd rather have Dunn or Brown over Murray though. Brandon Knight is starting to give me dry heaves. Any thought of anyone with any resemblance to him makes me nauseous.

[blacksun]

When Murray turns into another Knight, ya'll will be clamoring for him to be dealt too

Murray before Brown. Not Ingram, Simmons, or Dunn. If Murray is the BPA and turns into Knight, so be it; then we will get rid of him.

If it comes to that I'd rather trade if a good deal comes up, but I don't want Murray because I figured he is another Knight...but I decided to pull up their #s, and Murray is actually shooting much better than Knight did, and oddly enough, the one area he is worse in? Turnovers.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jamal-murray-1.html

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/brandon-knight-1.html

Anyway, we don't need to be spending high draft picks on more guards. If we don't get a spot where we can draft a legit PF prospect, we need to trade out, down, pick up assets, and get the PF either later in the draft, in a trade or both.

I will say I'd rather have Dunn or Brown over Murray though. Brandon Knight is starting to give me dry heaves. Any thought of anyone with any resemblance to him makes me nauseous.

Murray averages 1.5 less turnovers per 100 possessions than Knight. The only stat Knight is better at than Murray is assists. Kentucky has Ulis and Briscoe at PG, and they rely on Murray to score. Murray is a bit taller than Knight as well. Honestly I dont think the Knight comparison is correct, or fair, especially here where Knight is unanimously hated. If we can somehow flip Knight plus some more assets to get another pick (maybe NOP or SAC) to get Murray that would be really great.

[saintEscaton]

Murray before Brown. Not Ingram, Simmons, or Dunn. If Murray is the BPA and turns into Knight, so be it; then we will get rid of him.

If it comes to that I'd rather trade if a good deal comes up, but I don't want Murray because I figured he is another Knight...but I decided to pull up their #s, and Murray is actually shooting much better than Knight did, and oddly enough, the one area he is worse in? Turnovers.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jamal-murray-1.html

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/brandon-knight-1.html

Anyway, we don't need to be spending high draft picks on more guards. If we don't get a spot where we can draft a legit PF prospect, we need to trade out, down, pick up assets, and get the PF either later in the draft, in a trade or both.

I will say I'd rather have Dunn or Brown over Murray though. Brandon Knight is starting to give me dry heaves. Any thought of anyone with any resemblance to him makes me nauseous.

Murray averages 1.5 less turnovers per 100 possessions than Knight. The only stat Knight is better at than Murray is assists. Kentucky has Ulis and Briscoe at PG, and they rely on Murray to score. Murray is a bit taller than Knight as well. Honestly I dont think the Knight comparison is correct, or fair, especially here where Knight is unanimously hated. If we can somehow flip Knight plus some more assets to get another pick (maybe NOP or SAC) to get Murray that would be really great.

Not play style but role. Murray honestly remind me of a more unathletic OJ Mayo with worse defense but some compare him to Brandon Roy, a would be Hall of Famer who has a goood two inches on him

[SunsBlood23]

Maybe he wasn't playing the traditional point? He was playing the scoring guard, because Lebron was out. Shumpert and Smith had a combined 9 assists, and Dela had 7. Plus, not every pass you make results in a made basket, or even counts as an assist.

Well 12 for 28 isn't exactly efficient. 42.9% to be exact. At some point he probably should have tried to create for others. He is talented enough to do so and get his teammates open but he clearly, much like Brandon Knight, looks for his shot first and foremost.

I'm watching the game right now, and guys are just standing around. But his efficiency shouldn't be an issue in this case for 43% isn't terrible for a guard, who was taking over for Lebron. The opposing team's starting lineup besides Felton shot under 42%. Dirk went 7-17. D Williams went 1-5, and his only basket came in the closing seconds of the game.

Well then I suppose that's the fault of the coach. I've watched Kyrie play before many times and he is more than capable of creating for others as he is his own shot. If everyone really is just standing around (I haven't watched but a couple Cavs games) then the coach needs to figure out a new system. They can't beat the Warriors just on LeBron and Kyrie and to some degree Love to just iso and keep up with the Warriors. But I do agree with you to an extent on he wasn't terribly inefficient, however 43% isn't good or even moderate.

[JMac1]

Absolutely love kris Dunn at the NBA level

6th man? I could dig...

For starters, of course, with the hopes of him replacing Bledsoe and being the backcourt of the future with Booker. Dunn plays defense and passes the ball and is developing a shot.

[TeamTragic]

Ingram/Dunn would be awesome. Anyone disagree?

[saintEscaton]

Lowe with a nice piece on Booker's growing pains.

This is spot on IMO. " It's too early to project stardom for Booker. The Suns cannot proceed in their haphazard rebuild confident they have a future top-20 player on their roster. They can perhaps project Booker as a younger Bradley Beal: an ace shooter who can catch the ball on the weak side for a nice secondary pick-and-roll, and morph in a pinch into a lead ball-handler -- including on bench-heavy units. He's dead last in ESPN's defensive adjusted plus-minus among shooting guards, and opponents are blowing away their expected shooting percentages with Booker on them, per NBA.com. " He will definitely turn into a nice player, but its a bit premature to call him a surefire franchise cornerstone, we need to continue the pursuit.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15006476/the-phoenix-suns-seem-their-shooting-guard-future

[jredsaz]

Zack Lowe just posted an article on Booker at espn.com. This should be good.

[jredsaz]

If it comes to that I'd rather trade if a good deal comes up, but I don't want Murray because I figured he is another Knight...but I decided to pull up their #s, and Murray is actually shooting much better than Knight did, and oddly enough, the one area he is worse in? Turnovers.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jamal-murray-1.html

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/brandon-knight-1.html

Anyway, we don't need to be spending high draft picks on more guards. If we don't get a spot where we can draft a legit PF prospect, we need to trade out, down, pick up assets, and get the PF either later in the draft, in a trade or both.

I will say I'd rather have Dunn or Brown over Murray though. Brandon Knight is starting to give me dry heaves. Any thought of anyone with any resemblance to him makes me nauseous.

Murray averages 1.5 less turnovers per 100 possessions than Knight. The only stat Knight is better at than Murray is assists. Kentucky has Ulis and Briscoe at PG, and they rely on Murray to score. Murray is a bit taller than Knight as well. Honestly I dont think the Knight comparison is correct, or fair, especially here where Knight is unanimously hated. If we can somehow flip Knight plus some more assets to get another pick (maybe NOP or SAC) to get Murray that would be really great.

Not play style but role. Murray honestly remind me of a more unathletic OJ Mayo with worse defense but some compare him to Brandon Roy, a would be Hall of Famer who has a goood two inches on him

Murray has an incredibly high bball iq. That's what separates him from guys like Knight and Mayo.

[saintEscaton]

Murray averages 1.5 less turnovers per 100 possessions than Knight. The only stat Knight is better at than Murray is assists. Kentucky has Ulis and Briscoe at PG, and they rely on Murray to score. Murray is a bit taller than Knight as well. Honestly I dont think the Knight comparison is correct, or fair, especially here where Knight is unanimously hated. If we can somehow flip Knight plus some more assets to get another pick (maybe NOP or SAC) to get Murray that would be really great.

Not play style but role. Murray honestly remind me of a more unathletic OJ Mayo with worse defense but some compare him to Brandon Roy, a would be Hall of Famer who has a goood two inches on him

Murray has an incredibly high bball iq. That's what separates him from guys like Knight and Mayo.

He's crafty moving off the ball and utilizing screens, thats about it. His assist rate(11.6%) was startlingly low for a player masquerading as a point guard at the beginning of the season and is not even a strong passer by the lowered standards of wing players. Also his assist to turnover ratio is .87 doesn't even break even, which is even worse considering how Ulis became primary ballhandler after Calipari gave up experimenting on Murray as a playmaker. Also doesn't get to the line much his ftRate is only .261, has a hard time drawing contact and doesn't have a explosive first step. Unlike Booker he has been given the opportunity to showcase himself