College basketball and 2017 draft - One more poll after last game

[Mulhollanddrive]

Here are some stats of the top guys to show they're all perhaps one thing away from being the best prospect.

(Points / Assists / Rebounds - 2PT% / 3PT% / FT %)

22 / 6 / 6 - 51% / 43% / 66%
19 / 6 / 4 - 50% / 38% / 75%
17 / 2 / 7 - 49% / 31% / 86%
15 / 3 / 6 - 57% / 26% / 56%
14 / 8 / 5 - 66% / 43% / 66%
16 / 6 / 5 - 53% / 12% / 73%
21 / 2 / 2 - 59% / 41% / 83%
12 / 1 / 7 - 62% / 35% / 78%

Order is - Fultz, Smith, Tatum, Jackson, Ball, Fox, Monk, Isaac.

Then there's also Giles and Ntilikina who don't have compariable stats.

[Mulhollanddrive]

I have different criteria that leads to different orders, but if I'm swinging from the fences for the next franchise player:

Fultz, Smith, Ntilikina, Isaac, Giles, Fox, Monk

If they reach their potential they have near infinate ceiling as they have a top 1% type attribute.

Whereas Ball, Tatum, Jackson are more developed and safer options to reach their ceiling, but it's probably lower.

In reality, being pragmatic you probably need a mix of those criteria to get the best risk / reward outcome.

[Phoenix-Sons]

Fultz, Jackson, Ball, Smith, Tatum, Monk, Nitikilina

I think I butchered Frank's last name

[MrMiyagi]

These are my top 5 prospects, listed by favoritism:
Lonzo Ball, Lauri Markkanen, Markelle Fultz, Josh Jackson, Jayson Tatum.

I'd need to do more research to round out a top 7.

[blee732]

Based on just watching them on YT:
1) Ball - love how he plays at breakneck speed and keeps the ball moving (either off the dribble or thru passing).
2 (tie) Ntilikina - I've seen Ntilikina the least, but he looks very impressive physically/athletically. Hard to tell where he is skillwise with the limited vids, mostly against lower-level competition.
2 (tie) Fultz - has a smooth game with that herky-jerky type movement that shows he doesn't rely on pure speed.
3) Smith - nbadraft.net has his player comps as Paul and Rose, but I don't see it. Seems more like a Deron Williams or Lowry type. Not a bad thing, but he seems to rely on his pure speed more than Ball and Fultz.
4) Jackson - like the playmaking from a 3, a bit concerned about the 3pt/FT shooting. Before judging him on his averages, take note that he plays significantly less minutes that others in the lottery, but he's also older.
5) Taytum - once his frame fills out, he'll be intriguing as a stretch 4. Seems like he should be great defensively, but have to watch a game to get a better idea
6-7) TBD

Assuming we trade one or both of Knight/Bled, I definitely want one of those 4 PGs. If we can't, I would rather we just trade the pick.

[ATTL]

If tj can't get his head right JJ may be my top choice. Would be nice to have a super athlete at the 3 again that can be a defensive stalwart on the perimeter.

I'm liking Dsj more than fultz and ball is right there with fultz for me too.

I'm not liking how slow Tatum looks to me in games.

1a. JJ
1b. DSj
3a. Fultz
3b. Ball
5. Tatum
6. French frank
7. Giles and pray his knees hold up

[Blackification]

1. Fultz
2. Ball
3. Smith
4. Josh J
5. Ntilikina
6-7. Trade up or down

personal favorite is Ball followed by Smith but I put Fultz for the BPA pick. Anything outside the top 3 will be a massive disappointment for me as I feel this might be the draft where the top players can really change your team around.

[MrMiyagi]

Here are some stats of the top guys to show they're all perhaps one thing away from being the best prospect.

(Points / Assists / Rebounds - 2PT% / 3PT% / FT %)

22 / 6 / 6 - 51% / 43% / 66%
19 / 6 / 4 - 50% / 38% / 75%
17 / 2 / 7 - 49% / 31% / 86%
15 / 3 / 6 - 57% / 26% / 56%
14 / 8 / 5 - 66% / 43% / 66%
16 / 6 / 5 - 53% / 12% / 73%
21 / 2 / 2 - 59% / 41% / 83%
12 / 1 / 7 - 62% / 35% / 78%
16 / 1 / 7 - 55% / 46% / 82%

Order is - Fultz, Smith, Tatum, Jackson, Ball, Fox, Monk, Isaac, Markkanen.

Then there's also Giles and Ntilikina who don't have compariable stats.

Fixed.

[Det the Threat]

To me Jackson and Ball would be a waste of a pick as they are never going to be no.1 players on a championship team. Their comparisons might be Draymond Green and Jason Kidd who still needed 2 better players to do it.

I don't really like that comparison of Ball and Kidd too much.
Both are tall point guards with great vision and good rebounding instincts.
But that's where it ends.

Kidd was actually a pretty good athlete and top notch defender while Ball's a mediocre athlete and not much of a defender.
With him it's going to be about his strange looking jumper and if he's able to make jumpshots consistantly in the league. If he can do that, than he should good and able to have a pretty good career.

BTW: Smith and Bledsoe is a solid comparison given their built and athletic abiltiy. Though, Smith's actually great at pick&rolls and just doesn't make the right decisions(pass or shoot) but also gives his screener the chance to be set, which means very few offensive fouls in those situations.
And watching todays league, there aren't that many guards who're good at doing so, which results in all those offensive fouls/turnovers.

[Sunsss]

After each game I want us to draft a defensive-minded player more. Give me Anunoby, McD.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Jackson is the better all-round player than Anunoby as that Kahwi Leonard prototype, but I'd prefer using an acquired 2nd pick on Anunoby than our 1st on Jackson as their upside is similar.

[SC923]

Fultz
Jackson
Smith
Tatum
Nitlikina
Ball
Monk

[ATTL]

Hadn't watched Jarret Allen this year but kid has quite the fro. With His mustache, headband, and lack of muscle definition he looks like he stepped out of a time machine.

[Djedefre]

Fultz
Jackson
SmithJr
Ball
Isaac
Fox
Tatum

[Mulhollanddrive]

If you combine Josh Jackson and Devin Booker on the wings, you have elite everything.

I'm not even a fan of Jackson's ceiling, but if Booker is our no.1, we only need a no.2 and combined they'd be a no.1 pairing.

[darealjuice]

1. Fultz: He feels like more of a combo guard than a point guard to me, but he's stood out as the best prospect so far.
2. Jackson: I like his game a lot, despite his poor shot, and feel like his versatility fits well with this team. Will likely be an elite defender 1 to 3, probably at the 4 too, which is something we could use.
3. Ball: Probably my favorite player to watch out of everyone in the draft, and I'd love to see a big pure point guard on our team, but I still have some questions about his ability to attack the basket and how his shot will translate.
4. Smith Jr: I think as a prospect and based off of ability, he's just below Fultz. His game reminds me of a Bledsoe/CP3 mix some times. I'm just not sure I like the idea of drafting him after he's already torn his ACL twice, especially when the knock on Bledsoe is his knee issues.
5. Ntilikina: He had a great showing playing for France against his own age group, and his physical traits are very desirable. He has some crazy length and could be a really good defender.
6. Isaac: Great length and size, nice looking jump shot, very mobile with a decent handle. He fights hard on the boards and plays the game the right way instead of looking for his all of the time. Really high ceiling with this guy, I wish he got a chance to show more of what he can do.
7. Tatum: I like his game, he's a decent passer and is good at picking his spots, but I don't know if he has NBA 3 point range right now and while his game is smooth, his athleticism leaves something to be desired compared to the other prospects.

[Mulhollanddrive]

It might also depend on how good Booker gets by end of season. If you have a no.1 option for 15 years, you might not need to take the high risk-reward prospect searching for a no.1 player on a championship team, but go for the more developed no.2 or no.3 player on a championship team.

My top 2 are Fultz and Smith who stay the same on any criteria, but the next 5 differ, so my top 7 would be:

1. Fultz
2. Smith
3. Jackson
4. Ball
5. Ntilikina
6. Isaac
7. Fox

Reason for 3-7 is that even if they don't become superstars, they can be elite defensive players next to Booker, or elite passers to Booker. Other guys like Monk, Tatum, Markkanen, Giles if they turn out to be good but not great scorers, don't have the complimentary skills to create the same team impact.

[Damkac]

I also would look for defense, passing and 3pt shooting. I would like to get somebody who has at least 2 of those. He don't need to be elite scorer. I think Booker and Warren (with better ball movement) could be top scorers on a good team in the future.

1. Fultz - most people have him 1st; seems to have the biggest chance of becoming a star; not the best fit but if he could use his length to become good defender and if he could share the ball with Booker it could be lethal backcourt.
2. Ball - as it was said many times, he is perfect fit for the Suns; I think that passing and spacing he provides would really help Booker and (especially) Warren.
3. Jackson - great defender, playmaker, can do everything except shooting; if he could fix his shot he could be allstar.
4. Smith - big potential but not the best fit imo.
5-7 in no order:
Ntilikina - euro kid with great length and difficult surname; with Giannis it worked.
Isaac - another high potential kid; lengthy, athletic, great defensive potential, can shoot.
Fox - great defense, quickness, good playmaker; like with JJ the question is if he can develop a decent shot.

[Djedefre]

Based solely on sheer potential, Isaac is easily top3 in this class. All the tools are there.

[Mulhollanddrive]

It's like if a player is 50/50 to be an All-Star, but another guy is 10/90 to be the MVP.

Who would you take.