Re-Opening Night Version 2: Magic (0-1) @ Pistons (0-1)

[DiplomaticMagic]

Are we the worst team in the NBA?

[PennytoShaq]

It's just so hard to support this team when this is the product we get in night in and night out for the last 4-5 years... I'm really starting to lose my patience with this team. I fully regret buying my full season fast break passes now. It's seriously hard to rep and support this team so hard when it seems like nobody cares in the organization. How can you allow this kinda of play go on for years? It's crazy to me.

How much is full season fast break? I thought it was $60 passes only.

[doct3r dr3]

Could somebody please explain to me why Vucevic is guarding Drummond and guarding the low post while Biyombo and Ibaka are guarding Tobias & Co.?

Nope... Frank?

I'm just not quite understanding how you could have Bismack Biyombo and Serge Ibaka on your team and decide to plug Nikola Vucevic into the role of rim protector.

[KingRobb02]

Could somebody please explain to me why Vucevic is guarding Drummond and guarding the low post while Biyombo and Ibaka are guarding Tobias & Co.?

Nope... Frank?

This is what I was saying over the summer. Ibaka won't fix our defensive issues as a of because vuc will still be guarding the centers.

[BlueBalls]

This team is garbage. And we got bent over in that Oladipo deal. Many of us tried to tell you all.

[UCFJayBird]

I hate overreactions but I'm about to overreact...

Im the same, and i wouldnt be overreacting if they were playing with heart but just losing. But this pathetic lazy heartless rubbish is simply unacceptable. At any time of the season.

Yea I agree. Normally I'd be saying it's one game, bad starts happen, chemistry issues, etc. But the no heart is infuriating. I loved the heart and Hustle days, even if we were struggling for .500 at least we knew they played hard. This team is acting like it's game 82 of a 20 win season. Wake the hell up!

The good news is I do think it can be turned around. But we need a vocal leader. If it's not a player it has to be the coach. Vogel needs to go nuclear and chew guys out to play harder. Because apparently every player we have is a quiet introvert that plans to lead through example, but teams need emotional leaders too.

[FFBlitzace]

Yeah, I have yet to see an ounce of effort out of Jeff Green. He just stands around and never surpasses a jog. Even when he has the ball, which is usually when guys like that suddenly decide to try, he has been casual. He's kind of disgusting right now.

[MagicMadness]

Virtually no ball movement. This might be the most lost I've ever seen the Magic look on the basketball court.

We were literally watching a college team try to take on an NBA one. Ridiculous, and completely unacceptable. Losing to a better team is one thing, getting blown out of the building because you're playing a desperate 1 (or 2) on 5 game is not.

[Mc-o]

Could somebody please explain to me why Vucevic is guarding Drummond and guarding the low post while Biyombo and Ibaka are guarding Tobias & Co.?

Nope... Frank?

I'm just not quite understanding how you could have Bismack Biyombo and Serge Ibaka on your team and decide to plug Nikola Vucevic into the role of rim protector.

We need to put AG BACK AT THE 4 !

[shadrock]

Bunch of losers. Zero pride at all. Better chemistry isnt going to do much to fix things. The losing culture of this franchise is so bad, it just infects everything. That's why you don't fire a great coach in SVG, that's why you don't tank, that's why you don't hire a moron coach like Vaughn. Dwight left and this organization accepted losing and now they cannot shake it, even with a coach like Vogel. It's not a talent problem, it's a heart problem, and none of these guys have any sort of pride because this organization is one that is fine with losing because there's always next year. They think it will magically be fixed in the future instead of digging down deep and doing something about it now. So frustrating and sad to watch. This team has a good coach and talent, they should not be getting their ass kicked by the Piston's.

100% this, plus there is a tendency from what i see to be like "this is happening again but its not my fault". Nobody willing to stand up and take responsibility and lead by example and slap some lazy mofo's in the face to wake up! We need someone who is going to set the standard for effort and not accept anything less.

[zuppafly]

This group of vaginas has quit after 16 minutes of play.
Heads are down, they have that "the world is against us" look like they can't do anything about their piss poor effort.
That's the worst part of it all, at least for me. Bunch of **** hurt vaginas.

I don't generally consider myself a feminist, but I think we can come up with a better (less offensive) metaphor to vent our frustration.

You're right, i went over the top. Sorry, ladies. (We do have some around IIRC)

[Dennis Reynolds]

Yeah, I have yet to see an ounce of effort out of Jeff Green. He just stands around and never surpasses a jog. Even when he has the ball, which is usually when guys like that suddenly decide to try, he has been casual. He's kind of disgusting right now.

So much this.
Unfortunately, Ibaka looks kinda the same.

[Jameerthefear]

Yeah, I have yet to see an ounce of effort out of Jeff Green. He just stands around and never surpasses a jog. Even when he has the ball, which is usually when guys like that suddenly decide to try, he has been casual. He's kind of disgusting right now.

That's who he is. That's who he has been his entire 8 year career. Some morons on here were saying hes better than Harris

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[MrShow]

Vogel isn't the savior a lot of you made him out to be.

[Optimus_Steel]

I saw it against Miami, this is a bunch of guys doing their own thing with no cohesion. This team has no heart. They just collecting paychecks. They've been mentally ruined by all the losing and its infecting the new players. This is a lottery team. Just hope we get #1 pick and we get lucky with whoever we draft.

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[Last Guardian]

At this point...I would just rather have Elfrid create every time down the court. Develop him as much as possible. Give AG the ball a lot. When Mario comes in let him chuck. We need to develop some offensive talent here. Watching us pass around to get a crappy shot is just infurating.

[_DudeItsMagic_]

No need to tank any more, this will come naturally. Hard to believe that all the suffering has left us with this. 76ers fans are probably laughing at us right now. Hope some how this turns around and people quote this post, saying I lost faith...

DudeThisDefinetlyIsNOTMagic

[SOUL]

Some of these inside shots were contested, I'm not bent about those. The ones that have nobody near them are the ones that annoy me.

I think on offense, we confuse "heart" with "missing shots". You can't will the ball to go in.. we just need the people that can actually shoot decently (Fournier, Green, Hezonja) to actually start hitting.

[Mc-o]

Seems like none of these guys even like each other !! Lol

[Magic_Kingdom]

I'm still confused by whatever it is Ibaka is doing out there. Is he injured, slow, sleepy, over-medicated, semi-conscious, inebriated, or just doesn't give a #$&@ ?