Welcome Jayson Tatum

[Leprechaun18]

I heard that he is a worker. He also reportedly quickened up his shot and worked on his 3 pt shooting before the draft. Danny said he shot the ball real well. He does need to work on his body and put on some good weight. He is only 19. We got him. We cannot get Markelle now anyways.

[Gomes3PC]

Sure, he didn't face NBA D in the NCAA. Nobody does, but it looks like he has to tools to be a P&R Ballhandler.

Not yet he doesn't. The NCAA has plenty of PNR possessions that don't look like Keystone Cops footage. I'm just pointing out that those clips don't show much of importance.

Tatum was in the 31st percentile in efficiency as a PNR ballhandler. That and he rarely did it - only 6% of his possessions (basically the same rate as Markannen). He's not currently a good shooter off the dribble, and his handle is pretty high and weak under pressure (this is why he's much better in the mid-post where his jab-step creates space, in the post with his spins and fades, isoing slower big men or taking off in transition).

Using him as the screener for IT might be a good early way to play to his strengths. He's a solid catch and shoot guy so he can pop if they trap IT and then attack closeouts pretty well. If they switch, he'll amazing taking guards down into the mid-post and he's got enough vision I think to develop into a good passer out of post doubles.

On day 1, no, he won't be a P&R ballhandler, but when I say "tools" I'm talking about the potential. 31st percentile isn't too bad for a freshman forward. I believe that's where Fultz ranked as an isolation scorer, and that's a skill that favors his position.

Even in the NBA a 4-5 pick and roll will generate some silly defensive sequences, and while the UNLV defense was atrocious he made a good read passing up a wide open mid-range J for a layup. In time he'll be a nice playmaking 4. For now I'll settle for him punishing switches.

Something was off with Brown's measured standing reach at the Combine. At his height and wingspan, it's almost impossible for his reach to be what they measured. Maybe it's not 8-11 like Tatum but I am betting it's closer to the 8-8 / 8-9 he measured at in previous listings.

[Green_teamer]

He's being underestimated based on not being an upper echelon run/jump athlete... A lot of his positives are being ignored... Maybe based on falling for Markelle or Jackson, is my guess...

I think he'll silence the critics over time.

Hes being underestimated because until a few days before the draft everyone had talked themselves into loving fultz and Noone gave a rats ass about Tatum. Imagine if we hadn't traded the pick and Danny took Tatum over Fultz anyway? This board would of had a melt down

[Homerclease]

Not yet he doesn't. The NCAA has plenty of PNR possessions that don't look like Keystone Cops footage. I'm just pointing out that those clips don't show much of importance.

Tatum was in the 31st percentile in efficiency as a PNR ballhandler. That and he rarely did it - only 6% of his possessions (basically the same rate as Markannen). He's not currently a good shooter off the dribble, and his handle is pretty high and weak under pressure (this is why he's much better in the mid-post where his jab-step creates space, in the post with his spins and fades, isoing slower big men or taking off in transition).

Using him as the screener for IT might be a good early way to play to his strengths. He's a solid catch and shoot guy so he can pop if they trap IT and then attack closeouts pretty well. If they switch, he'll amazing taking guards down into the mid-post and he's got enough vision I think to develop into a good passer out of post doubles.

On day 1, no, he won't be a P&R ballhandler, but when I say "tools" I'm talking about the potential. 31st percentile isn't too bad for a freshman forward. I believe that's where Fultz ranked as an isolation scorer, and that's a skill that favors his position.

Even in the NBA a 4-5 pick and roll will generate some silly defensive sequences, and while the UNLV defense was atrocious he made a good read passing up a wide open mid-range J for a layup. In time he'll be a nice playmaking 4. For now I'll settle for him punishing switches.

Something was off with Brown's measured standing reach at the Combine. At his height and wingspan, it's almost impossible for his reach to be what they measured. Maybe it's not 8-11 like Tatum but I am betting it's closer to the 8-8 / 8-9 he measured at in previous listings.

Prospects sandbag their standing reach sometimes to make their vertical leap look better

[celticfan42487]

On day 1, no, he won't be a P&R ballhandler, but when I say "tools" I'm talking about the potential. 31st percentile isn't too bad for a freshman forward. I believe that's where Fultz ranked as an isolation scorer, and that's a skill that favors his position.

Even in the NBA a 4-5 pick and roll will generate some silly defensive sequences, and while the UNLV defense was atrocious he made a good read passing up a wide open mid-range J for a layup. In time he'll be a nice playmaking 4. For now I'll settle for him punishing switches.

Something was off with Brown's measured standing reach at the Combine. At his height and wingspan, it's almost impossible for his reach to be what they measured. Maybe it's not 8-11 like Tatum but I am betting it's closer to the 8-8 / 8-9 he measured at in previous listings.

Prospects sandbag their standing reach sometimes to make their vertical leap look better

I'm confident NBA teams update the records at least at the start of every training camp on a players wingspan, standing reach, vertical. I would like to see the updated figures.

Of course NBA players might not want that like KG or Durant so maybe it would never be released to the public. There's no way Durant isn't at least 7'2. I wouldn't be surprised if he's 7'3" the way he towers over other people, I mean LeBron is a legit 6'8" and about 100x stronger, but see LeBron trying to guard a Durant drive in the Finals and you can see he's just no where close to where Durant puts the ball (I know Durant has an ungodly standing reach on top of his height so maybe he is just a freak at 7 feet... but it seems impossible) to the point where it completely negates LeBron's enormous strength advantage.

[Gomes3PC]

Lebron is likely 6-10. He was measured at the draft in HS at 6-8 but it's been widely reported he grew an inch or two after that. My guess is he's 6-10 with something like a 7-2 wingspan.

KD measured at 6-9 with a 7-4 wingspan. Same as Lebron, would not shock me if he grew to like 6-10/6-11 with a 7-5+ wingspan.

[Jingles]

Sure, he didn't face NBA D in the NCAA. Nobody does, but it looks like he has to tools to be a P&R Ballhandler.

Not yet he doesn't. The NCAA has plenty of PNR possessions that don't look like Keystone Cops footage. I'm just pointing out that those clips don't show much of importance.

Tatum was in the 31st percentile in efficiency as a PNR ballhandler. That and he rarely did it - only 6% of his possessions (basically the same rate as Markannen). He's not currently a good shooter off the dribble, and his handle is pretty high and weak under pressure (this is why he's much better in the mid-post where his jab-step creates space, in the post with his spins and fades, isoing slower big men or taking off in transition).

Using him as the screener for IT might be a good early way to play to his strengths. He's a solid catch and shoot guy so he can pop if they trap IT and then attack closeouts pretty well. If they switch, he'll amazing taking guards down into the mid-post and he's got enough vision I think to develop into a good passer out of post doubles.

On day 1, no, he won't be a P&R ballhandler, but when I say "tools" I'm talking about the potential. 31st percentile isn't too bad for a freshman forward. I believe that's where Fultz ranked as an isolation scorer, and that's a skill that favors his position.

Even in the NBA a 4-5 pick and roll will generate some silly defensive sequences, and while the UNLV defense was atrocious he made a good read passing up a wide open mid-range J for a layup. In time he'll be a nice playmaking 4. For now I'll settle for him punishing switches.

Makes me smile to think about Tatum's outside shot and recall how many wide open looks the likes of Horford, Amir, KO, and Jerebko got in this offense, and he's easily a better pure scorer than all of them (I know, not the highest bar).

[jmr07019]

Something was off with Brown's measured standing reach at the Combine. At his height and wingspan, it's almost impossible for his reach to be what they measured. Maybe it's not 8-11 like Tatum but I am betting it's closer to the 8-8 / 8-9 he measured at in previous listings.

Prospects sandbag their standing reach sometimes to make their vertical leap look better

I'm confident NBA teams update the records at least at the start of every training camp on a players wingspan, standing reach, vertical. I would like to see the updated figures.

Of course NBA players might not want that like KG or Durant so maybe it would never be released to the public. There's no way Durant isn't at least 7'2. I wouldn't be surprised if he's 7'3" the way he towers over other people, I mean LeBron is a legit 6'8" and about 100x stronger, but see LeBron trying to guard a Durant drive in the Finals and you can see he's just no where close to where Durant puts the ball (I know Durant has an ungodly standing reach on top of his height so maybe he is just a freak at 7 feet... but it seems impossible) to the point where it completely negates LeBron's enormous strength advantage.

LeBron has owned Durant for their entire career's until Durant went to the goat regular season team so he wouldn't have to work hard for a title.

[ConstableGeneva]

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[tlee324]

Not yet he doesn't. The NCAA has plenty of PNR possessions that don't look like Keystone Cops footage. I'm just pointing out that those clips don't show much of importance.

Tatum was in the 31st percentile in efficiency as a PNR ballhandler. That and he rarely did it - only 6% of his possessions (basically the same rate as Markannen). He's not currently a good shooter off the dribble, and his handle is pretty high and weak under pressure (this is why he's much better in the mid-post where his jab-step creates space, in the post with his spins and fades, isoing slower big men or taking off in transition).

Using him as the screener for IT might be a good early way to play to his strengths. He's a solid catch and shoot guy so he can pop if they trap IT and then attack closeouts pretty well. If they switch, he'll amazing taking guards down into the mid-post and he's got enough vision I think to develop into a good passer out of post doubles.

On day 1, no, he won't be a P&R ballhandler, but when I say "tools" I'm talking about the potential. 31st percentile isn't too bad for a freshman forward. I believe that's where Fultz ranked as an isolation scorer, and that's a skill that favors his position.

Even in the NBA a 4-5 pick and roll will generate some silly defensive sequences, and while the UNLV defense was atrocious he made a good read passing up a wide open mid-range J for a layup. In time he'll be a nice playmaking 4. For now I'll settle for him punishing switches.

Makes me smile to think about Tatum's outside shot and recall how many wide open looks the likes of Horford, Amir, KO, and Jerebko got in this offense, and he's easily a better pure scorer than all of them (I know, not the highest bar).

I felt Fultz was THE perfect prototype player for Brad Stevens to work with, and still do, but certainly Tatum has the ability to thrive in the way Stevens runs things too.

[Slartibartfast]

On day 1, no, he won't be a P&R ballhandler, but when I say "tools" I'm talking about the potential. 31st percentile isn't too bad for a freshman forward. I believe that's where Fultz ranked as an isolation scorer, and that's a skill that favors his position.

Even in the NBA a 4-5 pick and roll will generate some silly defensive sequences, and while the UNLV defense was atrocious he made a good read passing up a wide open mid-range J for a layup. In time he'll be a nice playmaking 4. For now I'll settle for him punishing switches.

Makes me smile to think about Tatum's outside shot and recall how many wide open looks the likes of Horford, Amir, KO, and Jerebko got in this offense, and he's easily a better pure scorer than all of them (I know, not the highest bar).

I felt Fultz was THE perfect prototype player for Brad Stevens to work with, and still do, but certainly Tatum has the ability to thrive in the way Stevens runs things too.

I think Fultz is a perfect prototype player period - 89th percentile in PNR playmaking with huge PNR usage as an 18 year old playing with garbage big men, meh perimeter help and crappy spacing. One of the best PNR prospects ever hitting a PNR-crazed league. Some flaws in the rest of his game sure, but I really feel like his strength is as can't-miss as they come.

[Wes-J]

Like it or not we're stuck with IT.

[BobThornton]

Lebron is likely 6-10. He was measured at the draft in HS at 6-8 but it's been widely reported he grew an inch or two after that. My guess is he's 6-10 with something like a 7-2 wingspan.
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How tall is Ben Simmons then?

[Green_teamer]

Lebron is likely 6-10. He was measured at the draft in HS at 6-8 but it's been widely reported he grew an inch or two after that. My guess is he's 6-10 with something like a 7-2 wingspan.
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How tall is Ben Simmons then?

Simmons Is listed at 6 10

[ConstableGeneva]

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Edit:
1. I don't like starting threads.
2. Sorry for the bump.
3. Maybe fix the search function.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Hi, I'm Slartibartfast.

I will be your resident Jayson Tatum skeptic.

You and me both

[Slartibartfast]

Hi, I'm Slartibartfast.

I will be your resident Jayson Tatum skeptic.

You and me both

My hot takes in this thread are best served cold.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Ok this is my last troll post. But iso scorers are the highest chance of being a bust. To be an iso player you have to be the most elite. How do you feel about Rudy Gay, Michael Beasley, Nick Young, Zach Lavine, all serviceable and can get you buckets but nobody here really would want any of them on the team. **** most people would not want DeMar DeRozan/Carmelo if available. Ok I need to get off the forum .

Good luck to the guy.

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[Slartibartfast]

My beefs with Tatum:

1. He has very little power/weight in his base. This is why the Pierce comp doesn't work for me. Pierce wasn't very tall, but he was thick. That allowed him to thrive in the paint, take bumps on both ends and play a very physical brand of ball.

Tatum has long skinnier legs. That gives him very long strides to gallop to the rim with a clear path, but it also makes him easier to move around and less of a force in the paint. He is very light for a combo forward, much lighter than guys like Pierce, Melo or Leonard were at the same age.

2. He has a great jab step and step back, but he's not all that agile at full speed. I think he's gonna have a hard time maneuvering around NBA help defenders with how upright he is and will end up settling for a lot of step-backs and runners.

3. He's got a very good in/out dribble and a decent crossover, but like Lonzo Ball, not enough to shake NBA grade perimeter defenders. Nor is he explosive or slithery enough to be a big time PNR handler.

4. He makes a lot of stupid passes in the half-court. A below-average passer on the wing. A good passer for a PF but not a point forward.

5. He doesn't have great hands. Taps rebounds. Doesn't get a lot of 50-50 balls. His floor game just isn't that impressive.

Why I might be wrong on him:

1. He's so young. Maybe his passing will improve dramatically.

2. He is fluid moving laterally defensively and has excellent length and reach so he may be pretty solid defensively on the wing and a plus team defender in time.

3. His jumper may be good enough to open up the rest of his game on the NBA level, a la Danny Granger.

Overall, I'm pessimistic. If he establishes excellent NBA range and improves his vision, he could be a full-time big wing like prime Joe Johnson but I think it's more likely he ends up like Harrison Barnes or Rudy Gay. A 20ppg volume scorer on a bad team or a 13 ppg utility guy on a good team.

My take wasn't actually as harsh as I thought.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I'm gunna bump the **** outta so many threads next year. This will be one. I'm so happy with this pick.

I’m not done yet, FYI