Miami HEAT Offseason/Trades/FA Thread: Sardine Central 3.0

[DWadeno3]

Why do you want James Johnson and Waiters back? For another treadmill season? It's pointless.

I agree with you, the only issue I see is that without them even in this weakened eastern conference we are looking at the realistic possibly of being in the lottery again. Remember our draft pick (top 8 protected) goes to the Suns. A three time back to back lottery team can’t sell culture and it sure can’t sell family either so...

That's why we have to get into the top 8 in the draft. That's also why we should've tanked last season. We had our own draft pick no matter what in what's perceived to be a very good draft class. It was foolish to not tank.

We're gonna need a solid foundation of players/assets before culture even plays a role in a free agent's decision. Waiters and Johnson are not the type of players that are gonna make All-Star caliber players join us.

Now, more than ever, do players join organizations primarily based on the players they already have in place. Nobody wants to play for the banana trophy, the aim is to beat the Warriors/Cavs.

[SCHeat]

not a fan of 4 year deal for JJ, tbh

I'd definitely go 3 years, coincides with HW and Dragic agency.

[DayofMourning]

things were easier when we had our drafted superstar.

oh well

Wade was 99% responsible for the FA coup we scored in 2010 IMO. Before that and since then Riley hasn't landed anyone of note. Since Odom, I believe. Not the best salesman it seems.

However, as a tradesman, he has excelled. Zo, Shaq, Mash, EJ, Timmy, etc. Instead of sitting on the edge of our seats waiting for the big name FA to pick us, it might be more neuroprotective of us to keep an eye on the guy who could shake loose. The dingleberry, if you will.

No more whales, dingleberries.

We're not good enough to attract those disgruntled, dingleberry free agents. They'll just sign cheap to better teams. Our team has to prove that they're better than half a season of basketball and actually do something in the playoffs.

Think you missed my point, KD. The whales are the FAs. The dingleberries are the guys we trade for, who for some reason become available. Cousins, George, etc.

[Heat3]

I was for tanking this past season. Not for next. It is what it is. Have to know where to pick our spots. Just play it out and see what happens. Pay off our debts.

[SCHeat]

things were easier when we had our drafted superstar.

oh well

Wade was 99% responsible for the FA coup we scored in 2010 IMO. Before that and since then Riley hasn't landed anyone of note. Since Odom, I believe. Not the best salesman it seems.

However, as a tradesman, he has excelled. Zo, Shaq, Mash, EJ, Timmy, etc. Instead of sitting on the edge of our seats waiting for the big name FA to pick us, it might be more neuroprotective of us to keep an eye on the guy who could shake loose. The dingleberry, if you will.

No more whales, dingleberries.

This.

It's a lot easier to get a superstar via trade than it is free agency. Seriously, how many truly big time free agents have changed teams the last few years? Lebron and Durant obviously, but who else? Hayward, Horford, and 34 year old Wade are about it.

It's much easier to trade for Chris Paul, PG, Jimmy Butler, or Demarcus Cousins.

[DWadeno3]

Can we just keep the money from Bosh and call it a season? Fck em FAs who dont want us!
Lets ride the m***** f****** tank!

Why do you want James Johnson and Waiters back? For another treadmill season? It's pointless.

I agree with you, the only issue I see is that without them even in this weakened eastern conference we are looking at the realistic possibly of being in the lottery again. Remember our draft pick (top 8 protected) goes to the Suns. A three time back to back lottery team can’t sell culture and it sure can’t sell family either so...

To all pro-tankers: we missed our tank window!

Last season was the perfect time to sell high on Dragic & ride the tank to 2 lotto picks this year & another next year.

Our pick is protected this year, but even if we don't resign Dion & JJ we won't quite be bad enough to get there without injuries. If we had a rookie PG running the show (Fultz/Ball/Smith/Fox) then we could struggle through this year with Whiteside learning to lead a young group through effort and execution. Get another high lotto pick, and then have a crap-tonne of capspace and youth to lure some FAs.

Tanking this year = recipe for disaster.

I'm with you on the "we should've tanked last season"-argument. I said it all year last season but a lot of fans were caught up in cheering for the likes of Waiters and Johnson. Nonetheless, we're gonna need assets, one way or another. So the aim has to be to move somebody like Dragic for either a draft pick or a young player and make sure we suck badly enough to retain our own pick and have a core of Whiteside/Adebayo/Winslow/J-Rich/TJ/drafted player.

[KingDavid]

LeBron will be turning 34 years old next December. Melo to be 35 January of 2019. Wade will be 37. Why in the **** do any of you want those old men?

Lebron is ageless to be honest KD. But there's no harm in experimenting with them on a 1-2 year deals.

What else can we do to build a team that beats or comes close to beating the Warriors?

Lebron with prime Irving and prime Love couldn't even reach the shore against the Warriors, but you think really old Wade and old Melo will be able to even get that done? "Ageless lebron" isnt good enough to win one fair game against the Warriors.

No one signs one year deals at that age unless they're retiring. Especially Wade.

[UD4MVP]

Dion is still young, and the money has dried up a bit in the market. I think getting him for 4 years at a decent number would be a good asset. Also I agree with DOM, trades seem like the way to go. Especially with the super-max now. For example Westbrook is unlikely to move if he wants that super-max money. And if he doesn't want to re-up with OKC he'll be traded before he hits the market. Top tier whales will not be there in the summer most likely. At most it'll be stars on the older side, or fringe all-NBA talent like Hayward and PG who missed out on the super-max

[HEATVols865]

Zaslow this morning on 790 said that if we don't lock up Waiters and JJ today, that we should brace ourselves.

[UD4MVP]

LeBron will be turning 34 years old next December. Melo to be 35 January of 2019. Wade will be 37. Why in the **** do any of you want those old men?

Lebron is ageless to be honest KD. But there's no harm in experimenting with them on a 1-2 year deals.

What else can we do to build a team that beats or comes close to beating the Warriors?

Lebron with prime Irving and prime Love couldn't even reach the shore against the Warriors, but you think really old Wade and old Melo will be able to even get that done? "Ageless lebron" isnt good enough to win one fair game against the Warriors.

No one signs one year deals at that age unless they're retiring. Especially Wade.

I doubt they actually do that team-up tbh. Just those 4 guys is not enough, and if they want to play with a younger star to ease their load they'll be leaving a lot of money on the table.

[KingDavid]

Wade was 99% responsible for the FA coup we scored in 2010 IMO. Before that and since then Riley hasn't landed anyone of note. Since Odom, I believe. Not the best salesman it seems.

However, as a tradesman, he has excelled. Zo, Shaq, Mash, EJ, Timmy, etc. Instead of sitting on the edge of our seats waiting for the big name FA to pick us, it might be more neuroprotective of us to keep an eye on the guy who could shake loose. The dingleberry, if you will.

No more whales, dingleberries.

We're not good enough to attract those disgruntled, dingleberry free agents. They'll just sign cheap to better teams. Our team has to prove that they're better than half a season of basketball and actually do something in the playoffs.

Think you missed my point, KD. The whales are the FAs. The dingleberries are the guys we trade for, who for some reason become available. Cousins, George, etc.

[contract]

It's much easier to trade for Chris Paul, PG, Jimmy Butler, or Demarcus Cousins.

Usually that involves draft picks or talented young players, and we don't have what those teams want. We rarely have draft picks, and when we do, they usually aren't great picks. We need to stop giving our picks away and try to draft a young stud or two. The problem is that Pat Riley's timeline doesn't match our current needs. He doesn't want to hear about 3 to 4 years out, let alone 5 or 6 years.

[UD4MVP]

It's much easier to trade for Chris Paul, PG, Jimmy Butler, or Demarcus Cousins.

Usually that involves draft picks or talented young players, and we don't have what those teams want. We rarely have draft picks, and when we do, they usually aren't great picks. We need to stop giving our picks away and try to draft a young stud or two. The problem is that Pat Riley's timeline doesn't match our current needs. He doesn't want to hear about 3 to 4 years out, let alone 5 or 6 years.

You make a great point on the timeline, we have to think about the next 5 years and not just the next free agency.

[Mos_Heat]

It's much easier to trade for Chris Paul, PG, Jimmy Butler, or Demarcus Cousins.

Usually that involves draft picks or talented young players, and we don't have what those teams want. We rarely have draft picks, and when we do, they usually aren't great picks. We need to stop giving our picks away and try to draft a young stud or two. The problem is that Pat Riley's timeline doesn't match our current needs. He doesn't want to hear about 3 to 4 years out, let alone 5 or 6 years.

hmmm, I've never thought about this before

[BIRDMAN BIRDMAN]

Whatever, bring back Beas and finally turn him into big Melo 2.0.

I been saying it all along.

Sign Beas.

Heck, sign D-Rose too. 1-2 punch of the 08 draft Then bring back Chalmers. Ultimate dream team

[KingDavid]

Embrace the "treadmill". Embrace the continued development of Winslow, Jrich, TJ, and now the newly acquired Bam Adebayo.

There will be no shortcut to greatness. And that's fine. Doesn't mean there isn't going to be an entertaining product to watch every night.

I wish the forum would change the color of the number if you've already and1'd a post.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. If we had our picks and picks from other teams, I'd be down to tank and develop our youth, but that isn't the case. We're in no man's land for a few years but we get to watch our youth develop. I'm embracing the treadmill and see where that goes. Hopefully the Waiters and jj contracts are 3 years so we can have a bunch of cap space with Hassan and Dragic off the roster at the same time.

[contract]

things were easier when we had our drafted superstar.

oh well

Wade was 99% responsible for the FA coup we scored in 2010 IMO. Before that and since then Riley hasn't landed anyone of note. Since Odom, I believe. Not the best salesman it seems.

I'd say more like 80%, but yeah, it helps a ton to a have a star player on your team that has star friends that want to play together.

However, as a tradesman, he has excelled. Zo, Shaq, Mash, EJ, Timmy, etc. Instead of sitting on the edge of our seats waiting for the big name FA to pick us, it might be more neuroprotective of us to keep an eye on the guy who could shake loose. The dingleberry, if you will.

No more whales, dingleberries.

We want dingleberries!

[batterybro42]

Zaslow this morning on 790 said that if we don't lock up Waiters and JJ today, that we should brace ourselves.

At 31 years old if James Johnson wants to ride so be it. His appeal to me is his loyalty and team spirit, without that I can certainly pass. He leaves here last season will be remembered as his best by far. We will find somebody who fits his mold (there are plenty of big SFs without a true fit, Beasley comes to mind). JJ ain't going to be with us when it matters, and if he is he will be 33-34

With what we did with JJ last year, I would really like to see what we can do with Tyreke Evans in that 2nd unit spot. He's been hurt, but he's flashed an improved 3pt shot during his time on the court

Something like TJ, Elington, Evans, Winslow, and Bam could be an exciting 2nd unit to role out.

[SCHeat]

It's much easier to trade for Chris Paul, PG, Jimmy Butler, or Demarcus Cousins.

Usually that involves draft picks or talented young players, and we don't have what those teams want. We rarely have draft picks, and when we do, they usually aren't great picks. We need to stop giving our picks away and try to draft a young stud or two. The problem is that Pat Riley's timeline doesn't match our current needs. He doesn't want to hear about 3 to 4 years out, let alone 5 or 6 years.

PG, Cousins, and Butler were basically given away for scraps though.

[KingDavid]

Zaslow this morning on 790 said that if we don't lock up Waiters and JJ today, that we should brace ourselves.

At 31 years old if James Johnson wants to ride so be it. His appeal to me is his loyalty and team spirit, without that I can certainly pass. He leaves here last season will be remembered as his best by far. We will find somebody who fits his mold (there are plenty of big SFs without a true fit, Beasley comes to mind). JJ ain't going to be with us when it matters, and if he is he will be 33-34

With what we did with JJ last year, I would really like to see what we can do with Tyreke Evans in that 2nd unit spot. He's been hurt, but he's flashed an improved 3pt shot during his time on the court

Something like TJ, Elington, Evans, Winslow, and Bam could be an exciting 2nd unit to role out.

Beasley isn't the playmaker or even a quarter of the defender that JJ is.

Let. Him. Die. Already.