Marcus Smart free agency Take 2. "He works hard for the money" Agrees to 4 year 52$ million deal page 32

[smith2373]

Ugh

Why overpay when you’re bidding against yourself, especially for a role player

Because it's not an overpay.

It is.

You don't give that type of money to a defensive specialist who's as consistent at bricking shots as he is at playing good defense. Thought you guys would've learned from Bradley & Crowder falling off a cliff after they left not to overrate these "glue guy" role players that play here.

Celtics will contend for a title with or without Smart, zero incentive to pay him more than he's worth.

[ConstableGeneva]

Ugh

Why overpay when you’re bidding against yourself, especially for a role player

Because it's not an overpay.

Nor were we bidding against ourselves. He doesn't take our long term deal then you lose him for nothing next offseason.

Sssshhh.. that's what the anti-Smart camp wants. Ainge and Stevens want Smart back. Celtics had to give him a deal he would accept. Making him play on QO is a loss for the Cs. This is good.

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[FlatearthZorro]

Morris must be on his way out. There wasn't room for the both of them this offseason. Below are very very conservative estimates of players who are pretty much guaranteed play time next year (unless you think Danny will finally move Rozier).

Kyrie, Jaylen, Tatum, Horford - 30
Rozier - 24
Smart - 26
Baynes - 18

This leaves 22 minutes/game remaining. I doubt Brad is prioritizing a 29 yo Morris in a contract year (will be chucking like crazy) over the development of Theis/Semi/Williams. Finding enough shots to go around will be tough enough as it is.

Theis, Semi, Williams and hopefully Bird when the starters get their rests.

[Feed Your Head]

Ugh

Why overpay when you’re bidding against yourself, especially for a role player

Because it's not an overpay.

It is.

You don't give that type of money to a defensive specialist who's as consistent at bricking shots as he is at playing good defense. Thought you guys would've learned from Bradley & Crowder falling off a cliff after they left not to overrate these "glue guy" role players that play here.

Celtics will contend for a title with or without Smart, zero incentive to pay him more than he's worth.

The Celtics offense was better with Smart on the floor last year. And much better defensively, they would not contend for a title without him considering the Warriors have Steph and Klay.

Even 4/50 now is the equivalent of about 10 million a year in two years, 4/46-50 is great deal if it happens.

[smith2373]

Because it's not an overpay.

It is.

You don't give that type of money to a defensive specialist who's as consistent at bricking shots as he is at playing good defense. Thought you guys would've learned from Bradley & Crowder falling off a cliff after they left not to overrate these "glue guy" role players that play here.

Celtics will contend for a title with or without Smart, zero incentive to pay him more than he's worth.

The Celtics offense was better with Smart on the floor last year. And much better defensively, they would not contend for a title without him considering the Warriors have Steph and Klay.

Even 4/50 now is the equivalent of about 10 million a year in two years, 4/46-50 is great deal if it happens.

Difference was marginal, and the two years before that the offense was worse.

The Celtics absolutely would contend for a title without Smart. Unless you think one of Kyrie or Jaylen will be in a timeshare with Smart, I think you're absolutely overestimating his value in a matchup against the Warriors.

If Smart wasn't such a chucker, I'd have no problem with him. But 4 years in, he's yet to shown any sign that he isn't a complete dumbass on that end. Some of you are willing to overlook that, I'm not. Simple. I'm not a fan of his and probably won't ever be, so it's probably best to just to agree to disagree

[3D Chess]

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Couple more days of wasted pixels it is!

[ConstableGeneva]

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Change within a week to within the day pls.

[Valid]

It is.

You don't give that type of money to a defensive specialist who's as consistent at bricking shots as he is at playing good defense. Thought you guys would've learned from Bradley & Crowder falling off a cliff after they left not to overrate these "glue guy" role players that play here.

Celtics will contend for a title with or without Smart, zero incentive to pay him more than he's worth.

The Celtics offense was better with Smart on the floor last year. And much better defensively, they would not contend for a title without him considering the Warriors have Steph and Klay.

Even 4/50 now is the equivalent of about 10 million a year in two years, 4/46-50 is great deal if it happens.

Difference was marginal, and the two years before that the offense was worse.

The Celtics absolutely would contend for a title without Smart. Unless you think one of Kyrie or Jaylen will be in a timeshare with Smart, I think you're absolutely overestimating his value in a matchup against the Warriors.

Yeah. Who needs perimeter defense against one of the best backcourts we have ever seen?

[truth18]

It is.

You don't give that type of money to a defensive specialist who's as consistent at bricking shots as he is at playing good defense. Thought you guys would've learned from Bradley & Crowder falling off a cliff after they left not to overrate these "glue guy" role players that play here.

Celtics will contend for a title with or without Smart, zero incentive to pay him more than he's worth.

The Celtics offense was better with Smart on the floor last year. And much better defensively, they would not contend for a title without him considering the Warriors have Steph and Klay.

Even 4/50 now is the equivalent of about 10 million a year in two years, 4/46-50 is great deal if it happens.

Difference was marginal, and the two years before that the offense was worse.

The Celtics absolutely would contend for a title without Smart. Unless you think one of Kyrie or Jaylen will be in a timeshare with Smart, I think you're absolutely overestimating his value in a matchup against the Warriors.

It doesn't have to Smart but we need someone who can go at Curry and Klay like he can. It might as well be him.

You are severely underrating Durant if you think we can beat GS next year WITHOUT a Marcus type. It is going to be very difficult WITH him. Two years from now is when I have us potentially winning the finals.

[Bad-Thoma]

That's a fantistic value if Smart signs for that, and I believe he will. Long term control at a fair rate for the best defender on the best defensive team in basketball, while also being a net positive on the offensive end. He's not a "defensive role player", he is a defensive star. I know, he's a "chucker" (somehow, while being 274th in the nba in fga/36 he is labeled a chucker) and shooting is shiny and all but this is a great deal for the Celtics.

[SMTBSI]

Anyway, my guess a week or so ago was 4/44.5.

That gives a year-one salary of ~9.93, which is what is needed to duck the tax if Jabari Bird is not signed, or is later traded. Meaning that if we decide we want to duck the tax, we do not have to move Morris or Yabusele.

I'm even more positive that that's exactly what Ainge is going for, now that Woj comes out with "46-50". That smells to me like one last bit of posturing by Smart's camp.

[smith2373]

The Celtics offense was better with Smart on the floor last year. And much better defensively, they would not contend for a title without him considering the Warriors have Steph and Klay.

Even 4/50 now is the equivalent of about 10 million a year in two years, 4/46-50 is great deal if it happens.

Difference was marginal, and the two years before that the offense was worse.

The Celtics absolutely would contend for a title without Smart. Unless you think one of Kyrie or Jaylen will be in a timeshare with Smart, I think you're absolutely overestimating his value in a matchup against the Warriors.

Yeah. Who needs perimeter defense against one of the best backcourts we have ever seen?

So Kyrie, Jaylen, Hayward, Tatum, which one will be getting benched in the 4th quarter of the Finals so Smart can shine?

[brackdan70]

Wow. Somethings happening. I head my head to the grindstone at work and haven’t checked the Twitter verse in a couple hours. Good to see some progress

[CelticsLV]

Offer right after Leonard traded to Raptors? Seems like Smart S&T for Kawhi was on the table.

[tombattor]

They wanted 4/60 beginning of the season. If 4/46 actually happens that’s a great deal for the Celtics.

Doesn’t really matter. Odds are Smart won’t finish out his deal in Boston anyways. Celtics need someone making $11-15 million per year for trade purposes.

Smart’s $11+ million contract, Morris, young players and 4 potential first round picks next year the Celtics become potential major players at the Feb trade deadline

I doubt that... Kyrie is a FA next year. He could stay, but he could also just leave. Smart is a good player who can do a lot of things. Is he a Kyrie level offensive player? Nope. But on this team, with Hayward coming back, we can get offense from other places. Smart/Rozier can hold it down at the PG spot, if we lose Kyrie.

In your scenario, who is the player we're targeting and who are the young players we are offering? Brow and Tatum/Brown? Are we still holding out for the Brow pipe dream?

[Bad-Thoma]

Difference was marginal, and the two years before that the offense was worse.

The Celtics absolutely would contend for a title without Smart. Unless you think one of Kyrie or Jaylen will be in a timeshare with Smart, I think you're absolutely overestimating his value in a matchup against the Warriors.

Yeah. Who needs perimeter defense against one of the best backcourts we have ever seen?

So Kyrie, Jaylen, Hayward, Tatum, which one will be getting benched in the 4th quarter of the Finals so Smart can shine?

You know the game goes on for 48 minutes, right? Even the guys in there at the end aren't in for the full 12 in the 4th quarter, and that's not saying Brad will or won't close the games with his best defender on the floor.

[smith2373]

Yeah. Who needs perimeter defense against one of the best backcourts we have ever seen?

So Kyrie, Jaylen, Hayward, Tatum, which one will be getting benched in the 4th quarter of the Finals so Smart can shine?

You know the game goes on for 48 minutes, right? Even the guys in there at the end aren't in for the full 12 in the 4th quarter, and that's not saying Brad will or won't close the games with his best defender on the floor.

Sure. But why pay a guy $12 mil a year and use a theoretical matchup as one of the reasons why if you can't even say with confidence he'll be on the floor in crunch time for said matchup?

[SMTBSI]

Just ran the numbers.

- A year one salary that keeps us within a Yabusele dump of dodging the tax is ~11.24, or 4/50.4
- A year one salary that keeps us within a Bird dump of dodging the tax is ~9.92, or 4/44.5

These aren't coincidences. Walters knows exactly what the team's finances are. Ainge wants the Bird-dump number, and Walters wants the Yabs-dump number.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

46 to 48 is decent. 50 is a lot. Anyhow Marcus would make a pretty decent buck if he decides to sign now, would be smart(pun intended), cause if he shoots under .400 again this season, I doubt teams out there will be dying to sign him.

Throw in incentives. Give him bonus money if he shoots over 45% FG and 38% from 3. His base salary should be around $11 million per year.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Seems like a complete overpay for a defensive specialist that is a historically bad offensive player, misses about 15+ games a year and has maturity issues but hey it isn't my money.