Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath

Post #401 » by **DOT** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:33 pm

Stannis wrote:Anyone think there might be a Frank-Mitch conundrum? Im not sure if they can play together unless Frank develops a consistent shot. Or Mitch can hit the 3 lol.

I don't really think Frank can play with anyone without a consistent shot

will · Post #402 » by **will** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:38 pm

Is this the breakthrough for Frank?

4 straight starts...hopefully...?

JBreezeNY · Post #403 » by **JBreezeNY** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:03 pm

K-DOT wrote:
Stannis wrote:Anyone think there might be a Frank-Mitch conundrum? Im not sure if they can play together unless Frank develops a consistent shot. Or Mitch can hit the 3 lol.

I don't really think Frank can play with anyone without a consistent shot

I burst out laughing :lol:

It’s true tho real talk

Post #404 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:21 pm

Watch on YouTube

was waiting for this guy to pipe up. :lol:

knicksNOTslick · Post #405 » by **knicksNOTslick** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:13 pm

K-DOT wrote:
Stannis wrote:Anyone think there might be a Frank-Mitch conundrum? Im not sure if they can play together unless Frank develops a consistent shot. Or Mitch can hit the 3 lol.

I don't really think Frank can play with anyone without a consistent shot

Which PG of ours has a consistent shot? (and no, Trier is not a PG)

So based on that, I think Frank can play because he's our best defender at PG. Frank's 4-5 3pt shooting last game might be an anomaly but he has good form. I think as long as he keeps defenses honest, then he doesn't have to be a great shooter. Take Ellington for example, he is FAR from consistent, but he keeps defenses honest because he's supposedly a shooter and he can get going if you leave him open.

knicksNOTslick · Post #406 » by **knicksNOTslick** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:26 pm

Knicksfan20 wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:
Dantares wrote:People are going to hate on the way Fiz handled Frank but remember fiz gave frank more of a chance than Hornacek did. Frank and KP were the best two man duo in the league according to plus minus stats and KP's camp requestd for Frank to start, yet Horny didn't trust Frank.

I hope this narrative that Fiz doesnt care about Frank dies, we dont need that negativity surrounding the team spreading through the media or fans like French Knicks pod. Fiz always talks about how Frank is a great kid and Fiz even got thrown out of a game sticking up for Frank against charlotte last year.
Fiz also played Frank 22 minutes a game and called him his swiss army knife. Frank just sucked and has now had two good games.

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Fizz also compared Lance Thomas to Draymond Green so i would take what comes out of his mouth with a grain of salt. Fizz had a short leash with Frank all last year. You can tell Frank was looking over his shoulder and playing shook all season long.

This is what people don't get about why Frank sucked last year. A new coach who kept him on a short leash because he preferred Mudiay and Burke as PGs since they were more aggressive and were more experienced. Says he values defense but kept playing bad defenders, or was it because we were tanking?

Fizdale seems to prefer PGs who can penetrate and break down defenses, which is why he played Frank in other spots thinking he can just excel that way. But what Frank needed was a set role running set plays, not a free offense playing different positions because then he'd be lost out there. It also didn't help that Frank was dealing with nagging injuries.

So injuries and playing out of position plus inconsistent minutes and a short leash, and then we all wonder why Frank regressed from his rookie year. Other players might not have let that bother them and it's not an excuse for him but Frank seems to have confidence issues especially coming from a different type of league. It's good that the Knicks didn't quit on him though (not like they had a choice with his low value).

BKlutch · Post #407 » by **BKlutch** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:00 am

Synciere wrote:
Capn'O wrote:Fiz is warming up.

The player he reminds me of is Doug Christie. Long, lengthy. Intense defender. Great role player. Down to having the yips about shooting early in his career.

That’s a pretty great comp...

Eddy Curry has a comp with Christie, to.

Not Doug, but Chris Christie.

Besart19 · Post #408 » by **Besart19** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:44 am

Mitch / Gibson
Morris / Randle
Knox / Dotson
Barrett / Trier
Frank / Smith

Get Portis and Ellington in China... Randle is allowed to play only as a 6th man like in LAL

GreatWhiteStiff · Post #409 » by **GreatWhiteStiff** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:30 pm

in his last 5 games where he's played 20 minutes plus he has 22 total blocks plus steals.

Post #410 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:41 pm

GreatWhiteStiff wrote:in his last 5 games where he's played 20 minutes plus he has 22 total blocks plus steals.

some really impressive defensive stats and underrated impact on the game offensively. just because someone isn't taking a lot of shots... stay woke :lol:

i still need to see that dallas energy on a nightly basis. my boy is in trouble otherwise.

thelastpope16 · Post #411 » by **thelastpope16** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:47 pm

Kid better show up tonight, this is our finals

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Post #412 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:17 pm

thelastpope16 wrote:Kid better show up tonight, this is our finals

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i'd say he did. refs did a screwjob on him and we still got that W. dude locked luka tf up in the 4th. came up big in winning time.

matchman · Post #413 » by **matchman** » Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:47 am

2 points in 4th quarter by Doncic, that is all we need to know.

Bobcat · Post #414 » by **Bobcat** » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:20 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:
thelastpope16 wrote:Kid better show up tonight, this is our finals

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i'd say he did. refs did a screwjob on him and we still got that W. dude locked luka tf up in the 4th. came up big in winning time.

I'm pulling for Frank but come on he didn't shut down Luka. Let's not get carried away.

WargamesX · Post #415 » by **WargamesX** » Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:54 pm

Bobcat wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:
thelastpope16 wrote:Kid better show up tonight, this is our finals

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i'd say he did. refs did a screwjob on him and we still got that W. dude locked luka tf up in the 4th. came up big in winning time.

I'm pulling for Frank but come on he didn't shut down Luka. Let's not get carried away.

Well he did something.....

NYKnickerbocker · Post #416 » by **NYKnickerbocker** » Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:22 pm

Yea people need to give him credit lol. Elite defenders almost never shut down the truly elite offensive players. That guy is going to get his usual numbers on lower efficiency. But you’ll remember the key turnovers or forced passes that can be game changing. And frank has done that to Luka two games in a row.

spree2kawhi · Post #417 » by **spree2kawhi** » Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:25 pm

He plays defense like a superstar by now. Hate the passivity on offense. It kills me.

21 Hussle · Post #418 » by **21 Hussle** » Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:31 pm

Luka had more turnovers than field goals when guarded by Frank. I think Frank did his job well enough.

Post #419 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:22 pm

WargamesX wrote:
Bobcat wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:
i'd say he did. refs did a screwjob on him and we still got that W. dude locked luka tf up in the 4th. came up big in winning time.

I'm pulling for Frank but come on he didn't shut down Luka. Let's not get carried away.

Well he did something.....

dog.

as has been pointed out, luka had more TO than points with frank as primary defender. and luka had like 2 points in the 4th quarter when frank got back out of the penalty box.

dallas wins that game handily if luka didn't have to deal with frank down the stretch.

Post #420 » by **DOT** » Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:44 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:
WargamesX wrote:
Bobcat wrote:
I'm pulling for Frank but come on he didn't shut down Luka. Let's not get carried away.

Well he did something.....

dog.

as has been pointed out, luka had more TO than points with frank as primary defender. and luka had like 2 points in the 4th quarter when frank got back out of the penalty box.

dallas wins that game handily if luka didn't have to deal with frank down the stretch.

Luka turned the ball over 7 times with Frank defending him

Luka and KP combined to shoot 6-19 (KP was 0-6) with Frank as the primary defender

The first game the refs were much looser with the whistles, and that was a big part of why Frank looked so great. But even last game, he played some pretty spectacular defense in the fourth while having 5 fouls the whole time