Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

[djFan71]

Spoiler:

Really like this idea, but do the salaries work? Langford, Semi and Porier only add up to about 7.5 mill while Aminu and Birch make about 13 mill

Yep. Our 3 add up to $7.6M, so you can bring that + $5M back => $12.6M. Aminu & Birch are about $12.3M.

FYI, here's where the $5M comes from:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q86

Outgoing salary - Maximum incoming salary
$0 to $6,533,333 - 175% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,0005
$6,533,334 to $19.6 million - The outgoing salary plus $5 million
$19.6 million and up - 125% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000

I haven't checked the details if we'd be under the tax after as required, but I believe we would be.

Cannot you also add cash to a deal, per year, up to a combined total of 5,617,000,

So it technically could make that 7.6 mill up to 13.2 million (players plus cash) allowing a return of up to 18.2 mill in salary.


Teams payroll is currently at $119,147,133
This trade removes $7,582,713
leaving payroll before incoming players at $111,546,420

hard tax is 132,627,000 so there is 21,080,580 available below tax hell.

So a deal could, unless I am mistaken, be those 3 players, plus the max allowable cash, for any combination of players adding up to 18.2 million dollars.

I can never be 100% sure on CBA details, but I don't think the cash you can add affects the cap ramifications. You can add it to sweeten the pot for the other team to make the trade, but it doesn't count as outgoing salary. Would be sweet if you were right -that would open up some possibilities! I don't think it is, though.

[100proof]

Spoiler:

Yep. Our 3 add up to $7.6M, so you can bring that + $5M back => $12.6M. Aminu & Birch are about $12.3M.

FYI, here's where the $5M comes from:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q86


I haven't checked the details if we'd be under the tax after as required, but I believe we would be.

Cannot you also add cash to a deal, per year, up to a combined total of 5,617,000,

So it technically could make that 7.6 mill up to 13.2 million (players plus cash) allowing a return of up to 18.2 mill in salary.


Teams payroll is currently at $119,147,133
This trade removes $7,582,713
leaving payroll before incoming players at $111,546,420

hard tax is 132,627,000 so there is 21,080,580 available below tax hell.

So a deal could, unless I am mistaken, be those 3 players, plus the max allowable cash, for any combination of players adding up to 18.2 million dollars.

I can never be 100% sure on CBA details, but I don't think the cash you can add affects the cap ramifications. You can add it to sweeten the pot for the other team to make the trade, but it doesn't count as outgoing salary. Would be sweet if you were right -that would open up some possibilities! I don't think it is, though.

And you are correct

Cash is NOT considered when matching salaries under the Traded Player exception. For example, a taxpaying team cannot add $3 million cash to a trade of their $5 million player in order to acquire a $10 million player.

[100proof]

If those 3 get you to 12.6 million, would take much more to bump it to the 16 mill range where you have guys like Turner sitting....jsut saying.

But at the 12.6 mill for center/pfs there is:
Young
Olynik
Plumblee
My Binkie Bryant
Nurkic
Leonard
Powell
Aminu
Kleber
Bjelica

and guys on rookie scale contracts.


I would love to get Thomas Bryant if making a move. With Wagner coming on strong the opportunity to get him might be there too.

Langford, Poirier and a pick for Bryant?
Washington gets a lotto pick, a cheap backup to help the tank and another first for Bryant.
I would make that deal IMO.

[Darth Celtic]

Ok, so about half the last ten picks at the spot turned out better than Aminu.. (MPJ, if healthy, will likely be a Star). I’d rather have a coin flip at a better player than a replacement for Marcus Morris..

And one piece of data I stumbled on last year: NBA champions very very rarely made mid-season trades..

There are worse things. you could want to trade our young core for the privilege of paying one of the worst SG in the league Zach Lavine 20m a year.

[Darth Celtic]

If those 3 get you to 12.6 million, would take much more to bump it to the 16 mill range where you have guys like Turner sitting....jsut saying.

But at the 12.6 mill for center/pfs there is:
Young
Olynik
Plumblee
My Binkie Bryant
Nurkic
Leonard
Powell
Aminu
Kleber
Bjelica

and guys on rookie scale contracts.


I would love to get Thomas Bryant if making a move. With Wagner coming on strong the opportunity to get him might be there too.

Langford, Poirier and a pick for Bryant?
Washington gets a lotto pick, a cheap backup to help the tank and another first for Bryant.
I would make that deal IMO.

I like bryant too, but he's more of a bucks pick and trash type trade. Langford when healthy destroyed the gleague. I think we shouldn't give up on that kid early.

[GoCeltics123]

The reality is, the Celtics don't have easy options even if they were determined to upgrade in the middle. While one could have some fun with the Trade Machine, Boston has made it clear to anyone who has asked that their core players are absolutely not available. That includes, sources said, both Hayward and Smart, players who have been floated as possible trade chips in the past.

Read on Twitter

Missed this yesterday. Interesting that we're denying Hayward trades.

[djFan71]

If those 3 get you to 12.6 million, would take much more to bump it to the 16 mill range where you have guys like Turner sitting....jsut saying.

But at the 12.6 mill for center/pfs there is:
Young
Olynik
Plumblee
My Binkie Bryant
Nurkic
Leonard
Powell
Aminu
Kleber
Bjelica

and guys on rookie scale contracts.


I would love to get Thomas Bryant if making a move. With Wagner coming on strong the opportunity to get him might be there too.

Langford, Poirier and a pick for Bryant?
Washington gets a lotto pick, a cheap backup to help the tank and another first for Bryant.
I would make that deal IMO.

Yep, I've scoured that salary range for sure! Bjelica could be a nice target as well. I like Thad too. Bryant, maybe, I haven't watched him enough. I want more of a mobile, rangy big, though, and I don't get the feel that is him (though, could be very wrong).

To me, the problem with the bump is that you can string together a bunch of other guys to get there, but 4/5 for 1 trades are tough now since the other team has to waive guys to make room for all the incoming players (they can't just waive the incoming players). Adding Kanter to those 3 still leaves you just shy of Turner salary - and it's a 4 for 1 already.

So, it really has to be both Kanter, Theis, Langford going out for Turner. Which is less appealing than it was a few months ago, honestly, with how well Theis is playing.


ETA: Like Darth mentioned, I'm not sure I go Langford for any of the other options. I just really dig the Aminu/Birch combo platter. Perhaps irrationally.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Ok, so about half the last ten picks at the spot turned out better than Aminu.. (MPJ, if healthy, will likely be a Star). I’d rather have a coin flip at a better player than a replacement for Marcus Morris..

And one piece of data I stumbled on last year: NBA champions very very rarely made mid-season trades..

There are worse things. you could want to trade our young core for the privilege of paying one of the worst SG in the league Zach Lavine 20m a year.

you really want to pick a fight today? It's almost the weekend

[100proof]

If those 3 get you to 12.6 million, would take much more to bump it to the 16 mill range where you have guys like Turner sitting....jsut saying.

But at the 12.6 mill for center/pfs there is:
Young
Olynik
Plumblee
My Binkie Bryant
Nurkic
Leonard
Powell
Aminu
Kleber
Bjelica

and guys on rookie scale contracts.


I would love to get Thomas Bryant if making a move. With Wagner coming on strong the opportunity to get him might be there too.

Langford, Poirier and a pick for Bryant?
Washington gets a lotto pick, a cheap backup to help the tank and another first for Bryant.
I would make that deal IMO.

I like bryant too, but he's more of a bucks pick and trash type trade. Langford when healthy destroyed the gleague. I think we shouldn't give up on that kid early.

Perhaps. I value him highly.

With extended run kid produces. And he is young too.

[Darth Celtic]

Ok, so about half the last ten picks at the spot turned out better than Aminu.. (MPJ, if healthy, will likely be a Star). I’d rather have a coin flip at a better player than a replacement for Marcus Morris..

And one piece of data I stumbled on last year: NBA champions very very rarely made mid-season trades..

There are worse things. you could want to trade our young core for the privilege of paying one of the worst SG in the league Zach Lavine 20m a year.

you really want to pick a fight today? It's almost the weekend

just busting your balls thinking of all those offseason trade ideas. We all have made mistakes.

[Celts17Pride]

Celtics and Danny Ainge should be focusing on a player like Davis Bertrans on the Washington Wizards. Bertrans makes $7,000,000 in the final year of his deal. The Celtics would have his Bird rights after the season I believe. Bertrans is 6' 10" and shoots 40%+ from 3 point range.

Kanter, Ojeleye and a first round pick might get it done.

Bertrans would be perfect for how the Celtics play in my opinion.

Theis and R. Williams should be getting all the minutes at the center position. Poirier and Tacko are there just in case.

[klemen4]

Best trade is no trade right now.

Start Theis for now, but the focus should be giving Timelord all the minutes he can handle, because he is a perfect C for this team, IF he fulfills his potential.

[Andrew McCeltic]

There are worse things. you could want to trade our young core for the privilege of paying one of the worst SG in the league Zach Lavine 20m a year.

you really want to pick a fight today? It's almost the weekend

just busting your balls thinking of all those offseason trade ideas. We all have made mistakes.

I understand - they're so big they're an easy target

[djFan71]

Best trade is no trade right now.

Start Theis for now, but the focus should be giving Timelord all the minutes he can handle, because he is a perfect C for this team, IF he fulfills his potential.

I agree with the second part. I just worry about their durability and want some depth behind them beyond Kanter.

[djFan71]

Celtics and Danny Ainge should be focusing on a player like Davis Bertrans on the Washington Wizards. Bertrans makes $7,000,000 in the final year of his deal. The Celtics would have his Bird rights after the season I believe. Bertrans is 6' 10" and shoots 40%+ from 3 point range.

Kanter, Ojeleye and a first round pick might get it done.

Bertrans would be perfect for how the Celtics play in my opinion.

Theis and R. Williams should be getting all the minutes at the center position. Poirier and Tacko are there just in case.

I'd like that too. Similar to Aminu - better shooter, younger, but not as good on D.

Even Ojeleye and Poirier get you there salary wise with the 175% thing. I'm not sure we have a pick in the right range. We're not doing MEM, and I'm not sure WAS goes for ours or MIL for him. But, I'd give them the option for the better of the 2 if they would.

[Higgs Boston]

Green + 2nd x Wood
Poirier + ojeleye + 2nd for a shooter like Bertans
Poirier + ojeleye x random player, then sign a perimeter player in the buyout market.
Or try to dump Poirier with a 2nd then sign a player in the buyout market.

That Poirier signing is really terrible.

[100proof]

I had such high hopes for Poirier, and honestly, he can still very well pan out. But on a winning team, behind 3 other centers, he is not going to get any opportunity.

So my ideal options for a (*realistic?) trade are...in order...

Bryant
Wood
Bertans/Wilson
Bender

IMO, a deal of Kanter, Poirier, Langford and either the Boston or Bucks pick for Bertans and Bryant works for both teams.

Washington adds a lotto pick (Langford), a late first, A solid scoring center in Kanter and a prospect in Poirier. They save money in the deal as well (about 5 mill)

That allows for washington to not only have Wall and Beal to trade off, but they have langford (lotto pick), Rui (lotto pick), and a late first and their own pick this year (top 5?) They are set for the future imo with a smart beal and wall trade.


Boston adds a center who can allow for a 4 wing lineup and sharp shooting sf/pf off the bench to stretch the floor.

Kemba/Edwards/Wannamaker
Brown/Smart/Green
Tatum/Bertans/Semi
Hayward/Theis/GWilliams
Bryant/Robert Williams/

That is a 10 man rotation of Kemba, Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Bryant, Bertans, Wannamaker, Smart and 1 of the Williams' depending on matchup.

[Half-Full]

Green + 2nd x Wood
Poirier + ojeleye + 2nd for a shooter like Bertans
Poirier + ojeleye x random player, then sign a perimeter player in the buyout market.
Or try to dump Poirier with a 2nd then sign a player in the buyout market.

That Poirier signing is really terrible.

I guess I must not be seeing how "terrible" Poirier is. But why should I? Given the sparse minutes we have seen him, I hardly have the evidence to judge him. What do you see that I am missing?

[Dannyboy36]

No one is gonna want to hear this but Ainge is gonna listen to offers for Walker. No hate on Walker, he's great, but so is Smart and long term its hard to have 2 of your top players being so short. Gonna be really hard to find a good deal, a sell high deal for a big.

Someone posted about the elephant in the room a short while ago in regards to us not having a good enough big. The other elephant slowly making his way into the room is how can you not start Smart when he is one of the best players in the NBA? Hayward's injury buys some time, but he needs to start.

Not saying we trade Walker this season or even next season or even ever, but Danny would love to trade him for a top big. Hayward too, but with the injury it will be hard this year.

Smart cannot be the starting point guard for us. God no. One of best players in the NBA? He’s 5th best in our team. He should not be starting when we are healthy. We need Gordo back so we will have Smart’s stellar d but not some of his crazy shots. Best players in the NBA. Wow.

[Higgs Boston]

Green + 2nd x Wood
Poirier + ojeleye + 2nd for a shooter like Bertans
Poirier + ojeleye x random player, then sign a perimeter player in the buyout market.
Or try to dump Poirier with a 2nd then sign a player in the buyout market.

That Poirier signing is really terrible.

I guess I must not be seeing how "terrible" Poirier is. But why should I? Given the sparse minutes we have seen him, I hardly have the evidence to judge him. What do you see that I am missing?

He is bad, but I said that because of his second year, that is the problem, that is why likely we will have to give a 2nd, ojeleye, green or other incentive to move him.