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2020 Presidential Election Thread: IT'S THE FINAL (vote) COUNTDOWN! [update pg 61: Joe Biden elected 46th POTUS]

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: IT'S THE FINAL (vote) COUNTDOWN! 

Post#401 » by god shammgod » Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:49 pm

KnicksGadfly wrote:So...question for all. Is coronavirus had not happened and Trump had not screwed the pooch so badly in his response, would Biden have won?


it's hard to say. there's a large percentage of people who are voting for him because he doesn't seem interested in tighter restrictions around the virus. there's also a lot of people who are voting for him because they saw the blm protests and think he represents law and order. maybe without these things more republicans would have turned on what is obviously a crazy person, all policies aside. people seem to think bernie would have done better but "socialism" is such a big boogieman that he uses to get people to vote for him that he's able to use it against biden who doesn't even represent that in any significant way. so....who knows.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: IT'S THE FINAL (vote) COUNTDOWN! 

Post#402 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:50 pm

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Clyde_Style wrote:Bad Timing! You ate my response to jremi when you locked the previous thread

Sorry J, I'm out of gas, cannot recreate it

Alas, those who voted for Trump this cycle were completely OK with vote fraud, hence I don't think any of them were reachable anyway. They chose their bed and it isn't democracy

This race wasn't won or lost purely on policy


My point wasn’t built around any policy whatsoever. It was about democratic electoral strategies costing them votes with people of color; losing congressional seats and losing state legislative seats in a year with a historically unpopular president.

The mistakes I singled out were:
- Failures in outreach to people of color, specifying Latino voters since I watched that closely (also rachel bitcofer co-signed Chuck Rocha on this missed opportunity both before and after the election results started pouring in).

- No ground work, literally. Democrats across the spectrum of policy views were telling the Biden campaign that they needed to put canvassers out in battleground states.

- Refusing to pick a stance on key issues. Key here is I don’t think it much matters which direction he’d have gone on the policy; but by being unclear he allowed bad faith actors to fill in the blank and convince some voters not to break his way.

The idea that no voters for Trump were reachable is patently ridiculous to me, at least from the perspective of a person from a Spanish community that knows some trump voters. Chuck Rocha had a good interview with zerlina maxwell where he explained trump’s success in FL.

“Well we beat trump” isn’t enough when the Supreme Court is stacked and Mitch McConnell has a strong chance to continue deciding what legislation gets voted on. It’s not stopping the state legislatures that moved further right. None of that is policy based; it’s just a continuation of failures that we’ve seen at least throughout my lifetime. Way too many Dems only care about holding the executive branch and it shows throughout the judicial and legislative branch being dominated by conservatives.


Bernie would’ve cut into those Trump voters more than Biden.
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Post#403 » by BallSacBounce » Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:53 pm

dakomish23 wrote:You’re seeing a push by QAnonsense shills that PA should have had the vote count earlier. I assume it’s part of a strategy if they stop the count, they can deflect to blame the governor / sec of state.

Gov. Wolf & Dems tried to change the law to allow counties to begin processing ballots sooner, but the Rep-led legislature had refused & would only change the law if Democrats agreed to ban ballot drop boxes and support other measures that Wolf has opposed.

https://keystonenewsroom.com/story/pa-could-decide-the-presidency-and-cause-trouble/


Haven't seen anything anywhere about "should have started counting sooner."

However there is something going on related to PA Supreme Court extending the counting of Mail In Ballots an extra three days that is not provided by state law.

SCOTUS has set a deadline of 5PM today for PA to respond to this issue.

They allowed the PA decision to stand in a previous filing but that was when it was locked 4-4, Roberts.

There are other issues in PA not sure how they're being handled.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/11/stealing_pennsylvania.html#ixzz6cwK9f3K3

First, months out, they claimed they would need three extra days to count the votes.  Then, against all extant state laws, they said they would accept illegible or ballots with no security envelope postmark.  Then, incredibly they said a voter’s signature on the mail-in ballot didn’t have to match the voter’s signature in the voter registration books.  Banana Republic, anyone?


We could be in the courts for awhile this election.
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Post#404 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:56 pm

KnicksGadfly wrote:So...question for all. Is coronavirus had not happened and Trump had not screwed the pooch so badly in his response, would Biden have won?

I hate to say it, but no. Trump probably would’ve won already. Him mishandling the coronavirus situation really opened a lot of eyes imo. It shouldn’t have came down to that though.
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Post#405 » by BallSacBounce » Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:57 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
rammagen wrote:
Stannis wrote:Eh, I still think Trump wins.

Like 6 states are less than 1%.

Supreme Court is on his side.

We fcked

here is the thing and maybe I am naive the laws clearly state these votes are valid. The Supreme court would rule in favor of counting the votes not throwing out the votes. That would be dis-enfranchising the voters that voted by mail legally. before trump these poepl upheld the law personal views aside. The laws clearly on the side of counting the votes

It's not going to even reach supreme court territory. Those are baseless claims that will cease and flame out on local or state level, so the result will soon be pretty firm. Biden will be president and the world can take a breather, Republicans can retool and the dems can check how far left they dare to go.

- There won't be any legal aftermath.

- There won't be any socialism in the US. Most of you don't even know what that means.

- There also won't be too much political change and you realize that once you look at how the Senate is filling out. Biden can try, but it's a putt situation.

At least the US will become reasonable and reliable.

It's already reached the Supreme Court.
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Post#406 » by BallSacBounce » Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:58 pm

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Post#407 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:58 pm

BallSacBounce wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:You’re seeing a push by QAnonsense shills that PA should have had the vote count earlier. I assume it’s part of a strategy if they stop the count, they can deflect to blame the governor / sec of state.

Gov. Wolf & Dems tried to change the law to allow counties to begin processing ballots sooner, but the Rep-led legislature had refused & would only change the law if Democrats agreed to ban ballot drop boxes and support other measures that Wolf has opposed.

https://keystonenewsroom.com/story/pa-could-decide-the-presidency-and-cause-trouble/


Haven't seen anything anywhere about "should have started counting sooner."

However there is something going on related to PA Supreme Court extending the counting of Mail In Ballots an extra three days that is not provided by state law.

SCOTUS has set a deadline of 5PM today for PA to respond to this issue.

They allowed the PA decision to stand in a previous filing but that was when it was locked 4-4, Roberts.

There are other issues in PA not sure how they're being handled.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/11/stealing_pennsylvania.html#ixzz6cwK9f3K3

First, months out, they claimed they would need three extra days to count the votes.  Then, against all extant state laws, they said they would accept illegible or ballots with no security envelope postmark.  Then, incredibly they said a voter’s signature on the mail-in ballot didn’t have to match the voter’s signature in the voter registration books.  Banana Republic, anyone?


We could be in the courts for awhile this election.


It won’t make any difference because Nevada is going for Biden. It’s over.
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Post#408 » by BallSacBounce » Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:59 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:You’re seeing a push by QAnonsense shills that PA should have had the vote count earlier. I assume it’s part of a strategy if they stop the count, they can deflect to blame the governor / sec of state.

Gov. Wolf & Dems tried to change the law to allow counties to begin processing ballots sooner, but the Rep-led legislature had refused & would only change the law if Democrats agreed to ban ballot drop boxes and support other measures that Wolf has opposed.

https://keystonenewsroom.com/story/pa-could-decide-the-presidency-and-cause-trouble/


Haven't seen anything anywhere about "should have started counting sooner."

However there is something going on related to PA Supreme Court extending the counting of Mail In Ballots an extra three days that is not provided by state law.

SCOTUS has set a deadline of 5PM today for PA to respond to this issue.

They allowed the PA decision to stand in a previous filing but that was when it was locked 4-4, Roberts.

There are other issues in PA not sure how they're being handled.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/11/stealing_pennsylvania.html#ixzz6cwK9f3K3

First, months out, they claimed they would need three extra days to count the votes.  Then, against all extant state laws, they said they would accept illegible or ballots with no security envelope postmark.  Then, incredibly they said a voter’s signature on the mail-in ballot didn’t have to match the voter’s signature in the voter registration books.  Banana Republic, anyone?


We could be in the courts for awhile this election.


It won’t make any difference because Nevada is going for Biden. It’s over.

Trump doesn't need NV.

And it's not over till the Fat Orange Man sings.
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Post#409 » by mpharris36 » Thu Nov 5, 2020 5:04 pm

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Post#410 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Nov 5, 2020 5:05 pm

Here’s what’s going on in Pennsylvania, lest anyone here confuse the issue.

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/live/elections-2020-results-candidates-updates-news-pennsylvania-20201105.html

Philadelphia elections officials have temporarily halted the counting of remaining votes as they scrambled to accommodate a court order granting closer access to the operations for Trump campaign canvassing monitors.

Earlier Thursday, the Pennsylvania Commonwealth Court ordered that the Trump campaign observers had to be able to stand within six feet of any tables where counting is taking place in order to meaningfully monitor the process.

City lawyers they would appeal the order to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court and in the meanwhile are analyzing the layout of the room in the Convention Center where counting is taking place to see what changes if any are needed to accommodate the ruling.

Officials did not give an indication of how long of a delay to expect.
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Post#411 » by Spree2Houston » Thu Nov 5, 2020 5:08 pm

Get yo popcorn ready but because this about to get real ugly

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Post#412 » by GONYK » Thu Nov 5, 2020 5:10 pm

Spree2Houston wrote:Get yo popcorn ready but because this about to get real ugly

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Those are projected votes vs. actual. Not hard numbers.
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Post#413 » by Phish Tank » Thu Nov 5, 2020 5:10 pm

Shot:

HarthorneWingo wrote:Here’s what’s going on in Pennsylvania, lest anyone here confuse the issue.

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/live/elections-2020-results-candidates-updates-news-pennsylvania-20201105.html

Philadelphia elections officials have temporarily halted the counting of remaining votes as they scrambled to accommodate a court order granting closer access to the operations for Trump campaign canvassing monitors.

Earlier Thursday, the Pennsylvania Commonwealth Court ordered that the Trump campaign observers had to be able to stand within six feet of any tables where counting is taking place in order to meaningfully monitor the process.

City lawyers they would appeal the order to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court and in the meanwhile are analyzing the layout of the room in the Convention Center where counting is taking place to see what changes if any are needed to accommodate the ruling.

Officials did not give an indication of how long of a delay to expect.



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Post#414 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Nov 5, 2020 5:11 pm

BallSacBounce wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:
Haven't seen anything anywhere about "should have started counting sooner."

However there is something going on related to PA Supreme Court extending the counting of Mail In Ballots an extra three days that is not provided by state law.

SCOTUS has set a deadline of 5PM today for PA to respond to this issue.

They allowed the PA decision to stand in a previous filing but that was when it was locked 4-4, Roberts.

There are other issues in PA not sure how they're being handled.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/11/stealing_pennsylvania.html#ixzz6cwK9f3K3



We could be in the courts for awhile this election.


It won’t make any difference because Nevada is going for Biden. It’s over.

Trump doesn't need NV.

And it's not over till the Fat Orange Man sings.


Yes, he needs to run the table. Arizona went to Biden. That puts Joe at 264. Nevada has 7 electoral votes. I’ll let you do the math.
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Post#415 » by robillionaire » Thu Nov 5, 2020 5:13 pm

Spree2Houston wrote:Get yo popcorn ready but because this about to get real ugly

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yeah it's going to get ugly as the desperate trump-o-sphere puts out more and more blatant misinformation and lies to incite his base to stop democracy

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/number-of-registered-voters-by-state
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Post#416 » by AmaresKnees » Thu Nov 5, 2020 5:14 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
It won’t make any difference because Nevada is going for Biden. It’s over.

Trump doesn't need NV.

And it's not over till the Fat Orange Man sings.


Yes, he needs to run the table. Arizona went to Biden. That puts Joe at 264. Nevada has 7 electoral votes. I’ll let you do the math.


Arizona has not been called consistently across news sources yet (e.g. Reuters, which I am checking). Trumpers have been messaging the past 2 days that they believe they have the votes in AZ when its all said and done.
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Post#417 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Nov 5, 2020 5:15 pm

robillionaire wrote:
Spree2Houston wrote:Get yo popcorn ready but because this about to get real ugly

Read on Twitter


yeah it's going to get ugly as the desperate trump-o-sphere puts out more and more blatant misinformation and lies to incite his base to stop democracy

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/number-of-registered-voters-by-state



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Post#418 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Nov 5, 2020 5:19 pm

AmaresKnees wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:Trump doesn't need NV.

And it's not over till the Fat Orange Man sings.


Yes, he needs to run the table. Arizona went to Biden. That puts Joe at 264. Nevada has 7 electoral votes. I’ll let you do the math.


Arizona has not been called consistently across news sources yet (e.g. Reuters, which I am checking). Trumpers have been messaging the past 2 days that they believe they have the votes in AZ when its all said and done.


Go with the AP instead. It called Arizona for Biden.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-virus-outbreak-campaigns-1686896c09a50f8ea545f98a76a17dec

Trump, with 214 electoral votes, faced a much higher hurdle. To reach 270, he needed to claim all four remaining battlegrounds: Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Georgia and Nevada.
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Post#419 » by Pointgod » Thu Nov 5, 2020 5:19 pm

GONYK wrote:
Spree2Houston wrote:Get yo popcorn ready but because this about to get real ugly

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Those are projected votes vs. actual. Not hard numbers.


Do the people not realize that voter roles aren’t always up to date?

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