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[Deeeez Knicks]

If you want to build around youth and draft picks, you can’t give up on players fast. You have to have patience.

When people say they want a rebuild it really means they just want to draft a superstar. We've had a large amount of 18-21 yr olds on the roster over the last few years and the team is still under .500. Simply drafting youth wont get you anywhere without at least one of them being great and also adding the right kind of vets like CP3.

Fans would trade every kid we have for a top 5 pick. The patience is for repeatedly being in the lotto to find the star, not necessarily for developing the kids who might be mediocre.

That’s part of the patience. It can take some time and a little luck.

But even if you are lucky to draft a star, could take a few years for it to all come together. There will be some ups and downs

[dakomish23]

Was at the game. Fans were desperate to see dole fight out of this team but they just got rolled.

Jokic is just so good.

My condolences

Alcohol helped

[dakomish23]

Stop with all the RJ doom and gloom youth negativity. You fkn guys are always just too quick to burn our youth.
Last year was Obi, now its RJ, tomorrow Grimes, IQ, Duece, Simms on and on. SMFH.

Comes a time you gotta face the truth. Truth is RJ is buns

The time for closing the door on RJ's Knicks tenure is certainly not here.
Take Jimmy Butler's 3rd year (2013).

.457 : 2PT
.283 : 3PT
13ppg
.769 ft%
38 minutes pg.

In Jimmy Butler's 4th year he averaged 20+ppg and has never looked back after that.

By you starting this RJ is a bust chant and those who And1 you, just shows how this fanbase wants to build from within but has absolutely no time for it.

I’d advise you to visit the RJ is a bust thread from last year. It’s the same ppl

[prophet_of_rage]

Stop with all the RJ doom and gloom youth negativity. You fkn guys are always just too quick to burn our youth.
Last year was Obi, now its RJ, tomorrow Grimes, IQ, Duece, Simms on and on. SMFH.

Comes a time you gotta face the truth. Truth is RJ is buns

The time for closing the door on RJ's Knicks tenure is certainly not here.
Take Jimmy Butler's 3rd year (2013).

.457 : 2PT
.283 : 3PT
13ppg
.769 ft%
38 minutes pg.

In Jimmy Butler's 4th year he averaged 20+ppg and has never looked back after that.

By you starting this RJ is a bust chant and those who And1 you, just shows how this fanbase wants to build from within but has absolutely no time for it.

They said you couldn't rebuild in NY for over 20 years for a reason.

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[Chanel Bomber]

Comes a time you gotta face the truth. Truth is RJ is buns

The time for closing the door on RJ's Knicks tenure is certainly not here.
Take Jimmy Butler's 3rd year (2013).

.457 : 2PT
.283 : 3PT
13ppg
.769 ft%
38 minutes pg.

In Jimmy Butler's 4th year he averaged 20+ppg and has never looked back after that.

By you starting this RJ is a bust chant and those who And1 you, just shows how this fanbase wants to build from within but has absolutely no time for it.

I’d advise you to visit the RJ is a bust thread from last year. It’s the same ppl

The difference is, Jimmy was on an upwards trajectory, and had an elite skill, which was defense. He was a difference-maker on one end of the floor.

RJ has regressed from "not good", and he doesn't have a single elite skill.

He's more on the path to become a Justice Winslow or Imam Shumpert (perhaps with more longevity) than Jimmy Butler.

We've been through it with Frank and Knox. Where are the people screaming we should be patient with them? I was told it was only a matter of patience. That trading them would be some sort of disaster.

RJ's better than both of them, but that's quite the low bar.

I think Obi and IQ have more talent so I'd understand the reluctance to part with them a little bit more.

[Clyde_Style]

Comes a time you gotta face the truth. Truth is RJ is buns

The time for closing the door on RJ's Knicks tenure is certainly not here.
Take Jimmy Butler's 3rd year (2013).

.457 : 2PT
.283 : 3PT
13ppg
.769 ft%
38 minutes pg.

In Jimmy Butler's 4th year he averaged 20+ppg and has never looked back after that.

By you starting this RJ is a bust chant and those who And1 you, just shows how this fanbase wants to build from within but has absolutely no time for it.

I’d advise you to visit the RJ is a bust thread from last year. It’s the same ppl

We’re not exactly in a situation where there is so much talent ahead of RJ that he needs to get in line. You keep going with him until the next step.

[prophet_of_rage]

I think it’s been lost on people that Leon Rose is here because he’s Dolan’s friend. He has no resume for the job he was given. Much like the people before him, Rose falls into the category as ‘big celebrity name hire with no front office resume’ like Isiah or Phil or ‘James Dolan sycophant’ like Mills, Perry, and Grunwald before him.

Yup.

Once you’re able to understand this you stop putting energy into the current regime, you just live your life & you pick out your favorite players to watch on the current team who will eventually win for another team in a lesser role since too much is expected from them here.

The front office is perfectly fine with being okay because 1. They get big money contracts from Dolan & 2. the fans will cling onto hope & optimism resulting in ticket/merch sales which will not create an urgency to win since we make more money being mediocre.

Literally the only way Dolan listens is when fans stop going to the games & he hears sell the team chants. Every single time.

Our FO is too vanilla with their transactions & we play politics when it comes to rotations. Leon Rose is a PERFECT hire because he will do enough to stay in good graces without doing anything unorthodox or left field while flaunting his great work relationships.

Your essential company man.

Unless we hire a President/GM who is incredibly savvy we are doomed, perfect example is Denver. They have a future HOFer in Jokic but because their management makes terrible moves, he will eventually leave and they will start over again. That is going to be us with Randle, just like how it was with Melo, just like how it was with Ewing (after we didn’t give Riley what he wanted).

I think I love you. You see the Knicks operation for what it is.

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[Chanel Bomber]

It's true, you can't rebuild in NY.

But it's not because fans are impatient.

It's because this organization keeps drafting busts.

Dolan hires incompetent front offices who can't evaluate talent, and the Knicks end up drafting bust after bust. It never fails.

[Deeeez Knicks]

If you want to build around youth and draft picks, you can’t give up on players fast. You have to have patience.

Like we did with Frank and Knox?

It's a case-by-case situation.

You can't be patient with all your young players as a general rule.

You have to track their progress and assess their talent realistically.

I agree it’s a case by case basis and not every pick pans out no matter the patience. In terms of RJ, I would def have more patience with him.

But let’s be real. We weren’t very patient with Knox/Frank either. For them, maybe it doesn’t matter cause they probably don’t pan out either way. Part of it is not drafting good players and they were bad picks. They were also very young out of the draft and it was clear we didn’t have a good plan for them either. Both can be true.

There has been a lack of patience in terms of prioritizing development and youth in this organization that’s has been around for awhile. It’s all about the immediate results rather then a long term plan.

[Chanel Bomber]

Part of the reason is because of our front offices historically do not trust "analytics", and feel they can do without them because they know better.

This organization has been stuck in the stone age since Woody and Grunwald were let go.

[JBreezeNY]

I think it’s been lost on people that Leon Rose is here because he’s Dolan’s friend. He has no resume for the job he was given. Much like the people before him, Rose falls into the category as ‘big celebrity name hire with no front office resume’ like Isiah or Phil or ‘James Dolan sycophant’ like Mills, Perry, and Grunwald before him.

Yup.

Once you’re able to understand this you stop putting energy into the current regime, you just live your life & you pick out your favorite players to watch on the current team who will eventually win for another team in a lesser role since too much is expected from them here.

The front office is perfectly fine with being okay because 1. They get big money contracts from Dolan & 2. the fans will cling onto hope & optimism resulting in ticket/merch sales which will not create an urgency to win since we make more money being mediocre.

Literally the only way Dolan listens is when fans stop going to the games & he hears sell the team chants. Every single time.

Our FO is too vanilla with their transactions & we play politics when it comes to rotations. Leon Rose is a PERFECT hire because he will do enough to stay in good graces without doing anything unorthodox or left field while flaunting his great work relationships.

Your essential company man.

Unless we hire a President/GM who is incredibly savvy we are doomed, perfect example is Denver. They have a future HOFer in Jokic but because their management makes terrible moves, he will eventually leave and they will start over again. That is going to be us with Randle, just like how it was with Melo, just like how it was with Ewing (after we didn’t give Riley what he wanted).

I think I love you. You see the Knicks operation for what it is.

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I appreciate you

I just shut up and sit back. I want all my fellow Knick fans to just wake up & take the red pill but I can’t save those who don’t wanna be saved. So I just lurk and peep what Chanel Bomber, Buzz & Shamm post.

[Deeeez Knicks]

It's true, you can't rebuild in NY.

But it's not because fans are impatient.

It's because this organization keeps drafting busts.

Dolan hires incompetent front offices who can't evaluate talent, and the Knicks end up drafting bust after bust. It never fails.

Yea, def not blaming anything on the fans. We are mostly helpless. I still hope for the best with Rose and co but they probably won’t work out either.

[BugginOut]

Part of the reason is because of our front offices historically do not trust "analytics", and feel they can do without them because they know better.

This organization has been stuck in the stone age since Woody and Grunwald were let go.

Analytics said that the Kemba and Fournier duo would work extremely well:

Read on Twitter

What this front office didn’t know, which apparently Boston and OKC did, was that the final injury Walker got in the playoffs was it for his knee.

Honestly if they said screwed the analytics and decided to get “bucket getters” like DeRozan, who has had a negative +\- and net rating for about a decade straight until this year, we’d be better this season.

Maybe the Knicks are just cursed who knows

[NYKat]

Comes a time you gotta face the truth. Truth is RJ is buns

The time for closing the door on RJ's Knicks tenure is certainly not here.
Take Jimmy Butler's 3rd year (2013).

.457 : 2PT
.283 : 3PT
13ppg
.769 ft%
38 minutes pg.

In Jimmy Butler's 4th year he averaged 20+ppg and has never looked back after that.

By you starting this RJ is a bust chant and those who And1 you, just shows how this fanbase wants to build from within but has absolutely no time for it.

They said you couldn't rebuild in NY for over 20 years for a reason.

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NY fans fail to realize that growth is not always linear, it can go up and down before the ultimate potential is achieved.

RJ’s work ethic, attitude and physical tools are there which is what makes him different from Knox and Frank, I’d continue to bet on him….

It’s absolutely nonsensical to think that RJ has peaked

[Chanel Bomber]

Part of the reason is because of our front offices historically do not trust "analytics", and feel they can do without them because they know better.

This organization has been stuck in the stone age since Woody and Grunwald were let go.

Analytics said that the Kemba and Fournier duo would work extremely well:

Read on Twitter

What this front office didn’t know, which apparently Boston and OKC did, was that the final injury Walker got in the playoffs was it for his knee.

Honestly if they said screwed the analytics and decided to get “bucket getters” like DeRozan, who has had a negative +\- and net rating for about a decade straight until this year, we’d be better this season.

Maybe the Knicks are just cursed who knows

Maybe?

Anyway good post, interesting take.

[knicksNOTslick]

Part of the reason is because of our front offices historically do not trust "analytics", and feel they can do without them because they know better.

This organization has been stuck in the stone age since Woody and Grunwald were let go.

Analytics said that the Kemba and Fournier duo would work extremely well:

Read on Twitter

What this front office didn’t know, which apparently Boston and OKC did, was that the final injury Walker got in the playoffs was it for his knee.

Honestly if they said screwed the analytics and decided to get “bucket getters” like DeRozan, who has had a negative +\- and net rating for about a decade straight until this year, we’d be better this season.

Maybe the Knicks are just cursed who knows

The Knicks management probably just didn't watch last year's playoffs altogether. They retained most of our core after folding under pressure against the Hawks and their big FA signings were to Fournier and Walker, and both underwhelmed against the Nets in Round 1. Walker did get hurt but before he sat, he was missing a lot of open shots. And Evan Fournier got exposed on defense and proved to be inconsistent. That's why I was against the Fournier signing. the positive analytics on Fournier and Walker were just from the regular season.

But here we are. We signed underwhelming players and were surprised they couldn't come together to win.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Part of the reason is because of our front offices historically do not trust "analytics", and feel they can do without them because they know better.

This organization has been stuck in the stone age since Woody and Grunwald were let go.

Analytics said that the Kemba and Fournier duo would work extremely well:

Read on Twitter

What this front office didn’t know, which apparently Boston and OKC did, was that the final injury Walker got in the playoffs was it for his knee.

Honestly if they said screwed the analytics and decided to get “bucket getters” like DeRozan, who has had a negative +\- and net rating for about a decade straight until this year, we’d be better this season.

Maybe the Knicks are just cursed who knows

Nobody who uses analytics put any stock into those numbers because the sample size was too small.

[3toheadmelo]

Part of the reason is because of our front offices historically do not trust "analytics", and feel they can do without them because they know better.

This organization has been stuck in the stone age since Woody and Grunwald were let go.

Analytics said that the Kemba and Fournier duo would work extremely well:

Read on Twitter

What this front office didn’t know, which apparently Boston and OKC did, was that the final injury Walker got in the playoffs was it for his knee.

Honestly if they said screwed the analytics and decided to get “bucket getters” like DeRozan, who has had a negative +\- and net rating for about a decade straight until this year, we’d be better this season.

Maybe the Knicks are just cursed who knows

All you had to do was watch the playoffs and knew Kemba and Fournier was trash

[knicksNOTslick]

Part of the reason is because of our front offices historically do not trust "analytics", and feel they can do without them because they know better.

This organization has been stuck in the stone age since Woody and Grunwald were let go.

Analytics said that the Kemba and Fournier duo would work extremely well:

Read on Twitter

What this front office didn’t know, which apparently Boston and OKC did, was that the final injury Walker got in the playoffs was it for his knee.

Honestly if they said screwed the analytics and decided to get “bucket getters” like DeRozan, who has had a negative +\- and net rating for about a decade straight until this year, we’d be better this season.

Maybe the Knicks are just cursed who knows

All you had to do was watch the playoffs and knew Kemba and Fournier was trash

Yes, you're right, both were trash in the playoffs. But you know who just as trash? Julius Randle and his 29.8% FG against the Hawks.

All you had to was watch the playoffs. But yet here we are, the dude still has supporters.

AND the Knicks management wanted to keep all 3 of them long-term during the offseason. But maybe we're just cursed.

[3toheadmelo]

Analytics said that the Kemba and Fournier duo would work extremely well:

Read on Twitter

What this front office didn’t know, which apparently Boston and OKC did, was that the final injury Walker got in the playoffs was it for his knee.

Honestly if they said screwed the analytics and decided to get “bucket getters” like DeRozan, who has had a negative +\- and net rating for about a decade straight until this year, we’d be better this season.

Maybe the Knicks are just cursed who knows

All you had to do was watch the playoffs and knew Kemba and Fournier was trash

Yes, you're right, both were trash in the playoffs. But you know who just as trash? Julius Randle and his 29.8% FG against the Hawks.

All you had to was watch the playoffs. But yet here we are, the dude still has supporters.

AND the Knicks management wanted to keep all 3 of them long-term during the offseason. But maybe we're just cursed.

Randle just had an All NBA season and it was his first playoffs ever. Mad players struggled in their first playoffs and got better. So of course some of us are gonna give him another chance. Evan and Kemba been in multiple playoffs and they still suck. There’s a difference.