Official Trade Thread Part XLV

[Dark Faze]

Would Beal sign off on a sactown trade to team up with fox and sabonis? Multi team trade with young guys and picks coming back?

IDK. On one hand, they clearly are a win now team. On the other hand Fox and Sabonis will be 26 and 27 next season. They need a third star to get over the hump, but shouldn't necessarily be in a rush at this point. Murray would be the primary piece in a trade and it's possible he could become that third star. The question is if it's worth waiting 2-3+ years for him to possibly get there rather than just having a third star instantly in Brad for a few playoff runs.

[Frichuela]

Would Beal sign off on a sactown trade to team up with fox and sabonis? Multi team trade with young guys and picks coming back?

IDK. On one hand, they clearly are a win now team. On the other hand Fox and Sabonis will be 26 and 27 next season. They need a third star to get over the hump, but shouldn't necessarily be in a rush at this point. Murray would be the primary piece in a trade and it's possible he could become that third star. The question is if it's worth waiting 2-3+ years for him to possibly get there rather than just having a third star instantly in Brad for a few playoff runs.

If I was the new GM, and Beal was willing, I'd pull the trigger on a Beal for Murray+Huerter+fodder (Holmes).

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...The Barrett contract is a real wildcard. He's been pretty bad his first 4 years, but he's young (15 months younger than Kispert) and looks good in the playoffs. Might be worth buying low and see how he develops.

Too big a risk for me. Barrett is guaranteed @$107m. OTOH we would have moved Beal's insane contract.

Thing is, I just don't see any available big jumps, shortcuts for the Wizards to get better.

Above all, I just can't imagine anyone giving us good players on the way up (e.g. Maxey) in a deal for our good player on the way down (Beal).

I could be wrong, of course -- only takes one for it to happen.

I think it's kind of obvious that it'll take a true several-year rebuild to turn the Wizards into a really good team. & there just doesn't seem to be the stomach for it. Doesn't seem like Ted will allow it.

Eventually he'll have no choice, of course. But, even then, much depends on intention. If there's no real will to create a contender, we'll just "build" back to our current miserable condition.

[payitforward]

Would Beal sign off on a sactown trade to team up with fox and sabonis? Multi team trade with young guys and picks coming back?

IDK. On one hand, they clearly are a win now team. On the other hand Fox and Sabonis will be 26 and 27 next season. They need a third star to get over the hump, but shouldn't necessarily be in a rush at this point. Murray would be the primary piece in a trade and it's possible he could become that third star. The question is if it's worth waiting 2-3+ years for him to possibly get there rather than just having a third star instantly in Brad for a few playoff runs.

If I was the new GM, and Beal was willing, I'd pull the trigger on a Beal for Murray+Huerter+fodder (Holmes).

I can't imagine why Monte McNair would want to trade Huerter. He really blossomed in his 5th year, is just entering his prime, & is under a high-value contract with team control for multiple years.

In any case, Sacto is not "a win now team." They are a team with a terrific young GM who is doing a complete rebuild. They only have 7 guys with guaranteed contracts for '23-24.

[Frichuela]

IDK. On one hand, they clearly are a win now team. On the other hand Fox and Sabonis will be 26 and 27 next season. They need a third star to get over the hump, but shouldn't necessarily be in a rush at this point. Murray would be the primary piece in a trade and it's possible he could become that third star. The question is if it's worth waiting 2-3+ years for him to possibly get there rather than just having a third star instantly in Brad for a few playoff runs.

If I was the new GM, and Beal was willing, I'd pull the trigger on a Beal for Murray+Huerter+fodder (Holmes).

I can't imagine why Monte McNair would want to trade Huerter. He really blossomed in his 5th year, is just entering his prime, & is under a high-value contract with team control for multiple years.

In any case, Sacto is not "a win now team." They are a team with a terrific young GM who is doing a complete rebuild. They only have 7 guys with guaranteed contracts for '23-24.

I don't disagree...the way I see it it's not going to be easy to move Beal for younger assets with good potential. Ideally, we need a similar scenario to the Porzingis for Dinwiddie+Bertans trade, where the other team's GM is desperate to move on.

[dckingsfan]

If I was the new GM, and Beal was willing, I'd pull the trigger on a Beal for Murray+Huerter+fodder (Holmes).

I can't imagine why Monte McNair would want to trade Huerter. He really blossomed in his 5th year, is just entering his prime, & is under a high-value contract with team control for multiple years.

In any case, Sacto is not "a win now team." They are a team with a terrific young GM who is doing a complete rebuild. They only have 7 guys with guaranteed contracts for '23-24.

I don't disagree...the way I see it it's not going to be easy to move Beal for younger assets with good potential. Ideally, we need a similar scenario to the Porzingis for Dinwiddie+Bertans trade, where the other team's GM is desperate to move on.

Yep, and that isn't Sac. They aren't going to move Huerta or Murray.

I am guessing they will bring Barnes back. What they really need is a defensive rebounding FC player. One of those and they would have taken GS.

[Kanyewest]

I can't imagine why Monte McNair would want to trade Huerter. He really blossomed in his 5th year, is just entering his prime, & is under a high-value contract with team control for multiple years.

In any case, Sacto is not "a win now team." They are a team with a terrific young GM who is doing a complete rebuild. They only have 7 guys with guaranteed contracts for '23-24.

I don't disagree...the way I see it it's not going to be easy to move Beal for younger assets with good potential. Ideally, we need a similar scenario to the Porzingis for Dinwiddie+Bertans trade, where the other team's GM is desperate to move on.

Yep, and that isn't Sac. They aren't going to move Huerta or Murray.

I am guessing they will bring Barnes back. What they really need is a defensive rebounding FC player. One of those and they would have taken GS.

Or even if Barnes knocked down a few more 3s. History suggests that Barnes isn't that player though. Murray will probably get better so I doubt the Kings will be willing to trade him.

[dckingsfan]

I don't disagree...the way I see it it's not going to be easy to move Beal for younger assets with good potential. Ideally, we need a similar scenario to the Porzingis for Dinwiddie+Bertans trade, where the other team's GM is desperate to move on.

Yep, and that isn't Sac. They aren't going to move Huerta or Murray.

I am guessing they will bring Barnes back. What they really need is a defensive rebounding FC player. One of those and they would have taken GS.

Or even if Barnes knocked down a few more 3s. History suggests that Barnes isn't that player though. Murray will probably get better so I doubt the Kings will be willing to trade him.

Murray is already solid and just going to get better - I would say much better.

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Knicks just got bounced. Hurry up and send them Beal. We'll take a Walt Frazier jersey back. Doesn't even have to be game-worn. Practice worn good enough.

[Jay81]

Knicks just got bounced. Hurry up and send them Beal. We'll take a Walt Frazier jersey back. Doesn't even have to be game-worn. Practice worn good enough.

They got the cap room to trade for Brad!

[gambitx777]

Knicks just got bounced. Hurry up and send them Beal. We'll take a Walt Frazier jersey back. Doesn't even have to be game-worn. Practice worn good enough.

They got the cap room to trade for Brad!

They do not have the cap room to trade for Beal because the Neal's and raises kick in.

But they do have the contracts
Rose, Evan, and toppin
Add in our pick the Dallas pick the det pick and the Milwaukee pick and call it even
Yes 4 firsts but one is ours that will never convey the det pick is gonna end up as two seconds the dal pick will probably be late round and the Milwaukee pick is protected. And player wise they don't loose much at all. It's a good deal

Miami can also do a deal like that with us.

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[TGW]

I have no interest in the Knicks junk for Beal.

There is a market for Beal—especially with teams that got unceremoniously bounced from the playoffs. Every team wants a 1b scorer that can score from three levels, even if he is overpaid.

They can set the market if they play this righr

[nate33]

I have no interest in the Knicks junk for Beal.

There is a market for Beal—especially with teams that got unceremoniously bounced from the playoffs. Every team wants a 1b scorer that can score from three levels, even if he is overpaid.

They can set the market if they play this righr

I'd take the NY deal that gambitx777 described.

I don't think there will be a much better offer out there. The problem is, most teams in need of a guy like Beal don't have picks or prospects to trade.

Miami can make a deal, but all they can trade is the 2023, the 2027 pick and Jovic.

Who else is going to make a trade for Beal?

[Rafael122]

Brad for Harris and Melton. No picks involved, who says no?

[Dat2U]

Beal trade candidates

Boston = Jaylen Brown & Derrick White?

Miami = Tyler Herro, Kyle Lowry & 1sts?

Philadelphia = Tyrese Maxey & Tobias Harris?

New York = R.J. Barrett, Evan Fournier & 1sts?

Golden State = Andrew Wiggins, Jordan Poole & Jonathan Kuminga?

Dallas = Tim Hardaway, Jaden Hardy, Reggie Bullock, Maxi Kleber & 1sts?

[TGW]

Brad for Harris and Melton. No picks involved, who says no?

Who says no? Are you kidding?

I know people are down on Beal...so am I. But getting rid of him for what amounts to useless junk doesn't make sense. Even the Sixers board wouldn't make that sort of one-sided offer.

[gambitx777]

I have no interest in the Knicks junk for Beal.

There is a market for Beal—especially with teams that got unceremoniously bounced from the playoffs. Every team wants a 1b scorer that can score from three levels, even if he is overpaid.

They can set the market if they play this righr

I'd take the NY deal that gambitx777 described.

I don't think there will be a much better offer out there. The problem is, most teams in need of a guy like Beal don't have picks or prospects to trade.

Miami can make a deal, but all they can trade is the 2023, the 2027 pick and Jovic.

Who else is going to make a trade for Beal?

Yeah I think if we trade Beal we don't focus on getting ready now pieces back max out the quality of young player and picks we can get and move on.

Miami hast the 2029 first and two seconds left to trade along with 2023 and 2027 firsts and jovic that's enough for me

Lowery and oladipo and jovic and the picks

Either rade NYK or Miami does what we needs gives us a good chunk of draft assets and a solid young player, cap flexibility.

You then go and trade those one year deals and gather more assets and young players.



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[Frichuela]

Beal trade candidates

Boston = Jaylen Brown & Derrick White?

Miami = Tyler Herro, Kyle Lowry & 1sts?

Philadelphia = Tyrese Maxey & Tobias Harris?

New York = R.J. Barrett, Evan Fournier & 1sts?

Golden State = Andrew Wiggins, Jordan Poole & Jonathan Kuminga?

Dallas = Tim Hardaway, Jaden Hardy, Reggie Bullock, Maxi Kleber & 1sts?

Another possibility I heard about is a 3-team trade:

WAS gets Jalen Green+fodder (e.g. Tate)+ some draft compensation
PHI gets Beal
HOU gets Harden

Now this would mean a 100% commitment to rebuilding, which needs Turd's seal of approval...

[nate33]

I'm playing around with a Beal-to-Philly trade idea. Assuming Harden leaves as rumored to join Houston in free agency, I wonder if that transaction can be converted into a S&T involving Beal that looks something like this:

Philly trades: Harden, Maxey, 2RP
Philly receives: Beal

Houston trades: TPE
Houston receives: Harden + PHI 2RP

Washington trades: Beal
Washington receives: Maxey + massive TPE

It's a variant of the Beal for Maxey + Harrington deal, only this way we don't get stuck with Harrington and we have a massive TPE that we can try and use to acquire more talent or picks.

[Rafael122]

I'm playing around with a Beal-to-Philly trade idea. Assuming Harden leaves as rumored to join Houston in free agency, I wonder if that transaction can be converted into a S&T involving Beal that looks something like this:

Philly trades: Harden, Maxey, 2RP
Philly receives: Beal

Houston trades: TPE
Houston receives: Harden + PHI 2RP

Washington trades: Beal
Washington receives: Maxey + massive TPE

It's a variant of the Beal for Maxey + Harrington deal, only this way we don't get stuck with Harrington and we have a massive TPE that we can try and use to acquire more talent or picks.

I just don't see Philly trading Maxey away unless Embiid is like "if that's what it takes to get Brad, do it."