2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD 3

[LoveMyRaps]

How would everyone rank these guards

Collier, McCain, Carter, Sheppard, Dillingham, Topic

Good question.

Dillingham
McCain
Sheppard
Carter
Collier

Honestly, I'd be elated if we drafted any of these guys.

[Indeed]

Why does it feel like all the prospects suck at FT nowadays?

You mean this year's draft. I am unsure next year will be that bad.

[RoteSchroder]

I really like Oso's bball IQ and he looks like a guy that will be in the NBA for 10 years. Great fit for this type of system.

The lack of shooting gravity is a bit sketchy for the Raptors, and I think he measures a bit short as a C but he is a great offensive hub type. He is also a capable defender. I think he is a guy that could play in the rotation sooner, although the question with him is always, is there enough scoring around him.

I have always liked the concept of drafting Oso and Kolek this year. Fits our two biggest needs and the chemistry will be there for both.

If we have a lotto pick we can gamble a bit on long-term upside, but for the other two picks those two would be solid.

I like Oso, but he doesn't project to be a shooter any time in the near future. Do we really even need a Thaddeus Young type of player? We just gave Thad up for nothing.

I think he plays more like a big than Thad & I am hoping his measurements are closer to 6'10".

I think Thad Young at 31 is pretty good value. He was playing well before the Raps traded him. I know they didn't want to trade him.

If there is a better/ more fitting prospect available at 31, you go for it. Other than that, I think you look for players that are going to compliment your system.

that Mogbo guy looks a lot more enticing than Oso, no?

Look like he plays the game at a faster pace, he’s more athletic, projects as a better defender + hustler, better advanced stats (though much weaker SOS), may have some shooting potential

They have some similarities in that they’re older undersized bigs with passing ability and no shooting. If we were to choose one, Mogbo looks his he has higher upside

[Dalek]

The more film I watch of Collin Murray-Boyle, the more excited I get about his pro development. At 18 he is 6'7 and 230 lbs and he is a physical beast who scores in the paint and defends every multi-positions.

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Look at him cover Dalton Knecht:

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He really gives me shades of OG in his freshman year. But OG didn't even had a 10.3 BPM and 4.3 DBPM. OG hit more threes in college, but he was a 52% from the freethrow line in college. CMB will get better with more reps.

Where has this guy been hiding? If he could shoot he'd be my #1 by a large margin. 66% FT isn't terrible, but those stats and with that build I'm taking this guy top 5.

Sorry, I have been hyping him up. I think some posters mentioned that he is returning, but things could change as it did with Carrington.

CMB is a guy to watch because this draft has so many unimpressive prospects, but I think given his age and production he should be considered lotto. There is some incredible instinct like Scottie that he just naturally has. His coach Lamont Paris:

"I'm telling you, defensively is where he really stands out," Paris said. "He's so active. He anticipates at a high level. He's got tremendous feel. Then he's got the athleticism both vertically and from an agility standpoint that allows him to make plays and recover when he makes mistakes typically. He's a high-level player."

Murray-Boyles rates as South Carolina's top defender, per evanmiya.com. At 6-foot-7 and with a solid frame, he is big enough to hang with opposing post players but nimble enough to lock down opponents on the perimeter as well.

What makes Murray-Boyles' rise all the more surprising is the fact that he's young for his class. He won't turn 19 until the offseason. Nevertheless, he looked unintimidated taking on 24-year old Arkansas big man Makhi Mitchell on Thursday.

https://new.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/2024-sec-tournament-how-south-carolinas-collin-murray-boyles-became-a-mini-dennis-rodman-as-a-freshman/

[Dalek]

I like Oso, but he doesn't project to be a shooter any time in the near future. Do we really even need a Thaddeus Young type of player? We just gave Thad up for nothing.

I think he plays more like a big than Thad & I am hoping his measurements are closer to 6'10".

I think Thad Young at 31 is pretty good value. He was playing well before the Raps traded him. I know they didn't want to trade him.

If there is a better/ more fitting prospect available at 31, you go for it. Other than that, I think you look for players that are going to compliment your system.

that Mogbo guy looks a lot more enticing than Oso, no?

Look like he plays the game at a faster pace, he’s more athletic, projects as a better defender + hustler, better advanced stats (though much weaker SOS), may have some shooting potential

They have some similarities in that they’re older undersized bigs with passing ability and no shooting. If we were to choose one, Mogbo looks his he has higher upside

I think Mogbo is a guy that is going to climb up boards after workouts. He probably is a guy we have to strongly consider a fit here given the Scottie connection and his high upside. He checks a lot of boxes for me, even if the shooting is not proven.

He is one of four players with 80 dunks last year. The others: Edey, Kalkbrenner, and William Kyle.

He is the only player in Barttorvik database that has had a 80 dunk, 24 Ast%, 3 Blk%, 3 Stl% season. If you lower the dunks to 70, the only other name that fits that profile is Zion Williamson. Impressive stuff all round.

[Karanpal]

How would everyone rank these guards

Collier, McCain, Carter, Sheppard, Dillingham, Topic

Good question.

Dillingham
McCain
Sheppard
Carter
Collier

Honestly, I'd be elated if we drafted any of these guys.

Mine would be

Topic
McCain
Carter
Sheppard
Dilli
Collier

Measurements and combine is going to be big for me to analyze all these guards

[dohboy_24]

This is what I'm thinking (hoping?) as well. Collier can be a tough fit if you don't plan to have him be a centerpiece of your team's offence (either as a starter or off the bench). He's wasted and far less effective as an off-ball player. His shooting off the catch is just too spotty and he doesn't wow with athleticism or length as a cutter. I see most of these teams prioritizing roster fits, and shooting in particular.

Should they drop outside the top 10, Chicago would pick Ron Holland, Reed Sheppard, Rob Dillingham, or Cody Williams if they're available. If not, guards like Dalton Knecht, Ja'Kobe Walter, Johnny Furphy, Kyshawn George, and Devin Carter could be ahead of Collier on their draft board as they would likely be better options to pair with Cody White, Ayo Dosunmu, and Lonzo Ball in the backcourt.

If any of Ron Holland, Reed Sheppard, Rob Dillingham or Cody Williams are still available for the Thunder to pick at #12, I don't think they'd pass on any of them either. Otherwise, with forwards and centers like Tidjane Salaun, Tyler Smith, Tristan da Silva, Kyle Filipowski, Kel'el Ware, Yves Missi, and Zach Edey likely available when they select, there could be quite a few players that would have a better fit with the Thunder than Collier would.

If any of Ron Holland, Reed Sheppard, Rob Dillingham or Cody Williams are still available for the Blazers to pick at #13, I don't think they'd pass on any of them either. With Scoot, Anfernee, Shaedon, Dalano Banton, and Rayan Rupert already developing in the backcourt and a lot of holes in the frontcourt that need to be filled, I'm sure they'd rather chose Tidjane Salaun, Tyler Smith, Kyle Filipowski, Kel'el Ware, Yves Missi or Zach Edey ahead of Collier.

If any of Ron Holland, Reed Sheppard, Rob Dillingham or Cody Williams are still available for the Pelicans to pick at #14, I don't think they'd pass on any of them either, but the Pelicans could use a PG and are likely going to have Collier ranked ahead of other guards like Devin Carter, Jared McCain, and Tyler Kolek. A potential wild card option at PG could be Carlton Carrington, but other than him and Collier they could rank players like Tidjane Salaun, Tyler Smith, Kyle Filipowski, Kel'el Ware, Yves Missi, or Zach Edey ahead of them.

The 76ers could use a backup PG and more guard depth in general so Collier could be in-play there too, but I think the Heat would pass on him purely because he'd be a poor fit with their culture and style of play and wouldn't have him high on my draft board either even if he's available when we chose a prospect with the Pacers pick.

[dohboy_24]

How would everyone rank these guards

Collier, McCain, Carter, Sheppard, Dillingham, Topic

Which team drafts them and how they develop will ultimately determine their fate and productivity, but I'd rank them:

Topic
Sheppard
Dillingham
McCain
Carter
Collier

[manjusaka]

I think he plays more like a big than Thad & I am hoping his measurements are closer to 6'10".

I think Thad Young at 31 is pretty good value. He was playing well before the Raps traded him. I know they didn't want to trade him.

If there is a better/ more fitting prospect available at 31, you go for it. Other than that, I think you look for players that are going to compliment your system.

that Mogbo guy looks a lot more enticing than Oso, no?

Look like he plays the game at a faster pace, he’s more athletic, projects as a better defender + hustler, better advanced stats (though much weaker SOS), may have some shooting potential

They have some similarities in that they’re older undersized bigs with passing ability and no shooting. If we were to choose one, Mogbo looks his he has higher upside

I think Mogbo is a guy that is going to climb up boards after workouts. He probably is a guy we have to strongly consider a fit here given the Scottie connection and his high upside. He checks a lot of boxes for me, even if the shooting is not proven.

He is one of four players with 80 dunks last year. The others: Edey, Kalkbrenner, and William Kyle.

He is the only player in Barttorvik database that has had a 80 dunk, 24 Ast%, 3 Blk%, 3 Stl% season. If you lower the dunks to 70, the only other name that fits that profile is Zion Williamson. Impressive stuff all round.

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That was his measurement when he was 16. Good wingspan for his height. I would guess his wingspan is close to 7-0 now.

Defensively he didn’t have the bounce like Ryan Dunn. He will need to rely on read and positioning, especially on the perimeter.

Offensively, he can pass and probably know when to cut without the ball. Apparently he was a shooter when he was skinny. The body had a completely transformation, the muscles memory must got screwed, fingers crossed on his shooting ability.

Overall his skill sets and background seem a good fit for the Raptors. Not sure if I would pick him ahead of Ryan Dunn and Ulrich Chomche with the Pistons pick.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I actually wouldn’t be surprised if the Raptors take Sheppard if he’s still there and we aren’t in position to take Sarr.

Depend on his measurements. Traditionally, a small guard only succeeds in the NBA if they have girth/strength. I've read great things about Sheppard, but he doesn't have Lowry's build.

He's not a small guard, though. Lowry is like 6 feet with shoes on.

[Duffman100]

that Mogbo guy looks a lot more enticing than Oso, no?

Look like he plays the game at a faster pace, he’s more athletic, projects as a better defender + hustler, better advanced stats (though much weaker SOS), may have some shooting potential

They have some similarities in that they’re older undersized bigs with passing ability and no shooting. If we were to choose one, Mogbo looks his he has higher upside

I think Mogbo is a guy that is going to climb up boards after workouts. He probably is a guy we have to strongly consider a fit here given the Scottie connection and his high upside. He checks a lot of boxes for me, even if the shooting is not proven.

He is one of four players with 80 dunks last year. The others: Edey, Kalkbrenner, and William Kyle.

He is the only player in Barttorvik database that has had a 80 dunk, 24 Ast%, 3 Blk%, 3 Stl% season. If you lower the dunks to 70, the only other name that fits that profile is Zion Williamson. Impressive stuff all round.

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That was his measurement when he was 16. Good wingspan for his height. I would guess his wingspan is close to 7-0 now.

Defensively he didn’t have the bounce like Ryan Dunn. He will need to rely on read and positioning, especially on the perimeter.

Offensively, he can pass and probably know when to cut without the ball. Apparently he was a shooter when he was skinny. The body had a completely transformation, the muscles memory must got screwed, fingers crossed on his shooting ability.

Overall his skill sets and background seem a good fit for the Raptors. Not sure if I would pick him ahead of Ryan Dunn and Ulrich Chomche with the Pistons pick.

Didn't Anthony Davis have the same story? Played PG then his height explode and he attributed his skills to that.

[Kevin Willis]

The more film I watch of Collin Murray-Boyle, the more excited I get about his pro development. At 18 he is 6'7 and 230 lbs and he is a physical beast who scores in the paint and defends every multi-positions.

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Look at him cover Dalton Knecht:

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He really gives me shades of OG in his freshman year. But OG didn't even had a 10.3 BPM and 4.3 DBPM. OG hit more threes in college, but he was a 52% from the freethrow line in college. CMB will get better with more reps.

Where has this guy been hiding? If he could shoot he'd be my #1 by a large margin. 66% FT isn't terrible, but those stats and with that build I'm taking this guy top 5.

Sorry, I have been hyping him up. I think some posters mentioned that he is returning, but things could change as it did with Carrington.

CMB is a guy to watch because this draft has so many unimpressive prospects, but I think given his age and production he should be considered lotto. There is some incredible instinct like Scottie that he just naturally has. His coach Lamont Paris:

"I'm telling you, defensively is where he really stands out," Paris said. "He's so active. He anticipates at a high level. He's got tremendous feel. Then he's got the athleticism both vertically and from an agility standpoint that allows him to make plays and recover when he makes mistakes typically. He's a high-level player."

Murray-Boyles rates as South Carolina's top defender, per evanmiya.com. At 6-foot-7 and with a solid frame, he is big enough to hang with opposing post players but nimble enough to lock down opponents on the perimeter as well.

What makes Murray-Boyles' rise all the more surprising is the fact that he's young for his class. He won't turn 19 until the offseason. Nevertheless, he looked unintimidated taking on 24-year old Arkansas big man Makhi Mitchell on Thursday.

https://new.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/2024-sec-tournament-how-south-carolinas-collin-murray-boyles-became-a-mini-dennis-rodman-as-a-freshman/

Wasn't GG also from S. Carolina? GG had a shot but this guy is a better defender.

[Dalek]

Wasn't GG also from S. Carolina? GG had a shot but this guy is a better defender.

It is a good point. GG Jackson was a big time five star recruit that led South Carolina absolutely nowhere. They finished 11–20 and lost in their first round Conference tournament. GG was famous for calling out first year head coach Lamont Paris for getting more touches.

Meanwhile, a year later with Collin Murray-Boyle, a three star, kid from South Carolina the team finished 26-8 and made the NCAA Tournament. They would have been even better if not for the fact the CMB has mono at the beginning of the year which kept him out.

[aminiaturebuddha]

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Didn't Anthony Davis have the same story? Played PG then his height explode and he attributed his skills to that.

That was Olynyk's development story as well. He was a point guard when he first started playing basketball, and then shot up in height. You can definitely see it in the way he plays still at times.

[Dalek]

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That was his measurement when he was 16. Good wingspan for his height. I would guess his wingspan is close to 7-0 now.

Defensively he didn’t have the bounce like Ryan Dunn. He will need to rely on read and positioning, especially on the perimeter.

Offensively, he can pass and probably know when to cut without the ball. Apparently he was a shooter when he was skinny. The body had a completely transformation, the muscles memory must got screwed, fingers crossed on his shooting ability.

Overall his skill sets and background seem a good fit for the Raptors. Not sure if I would pick him ahead of Ryan Dunn and Ulrich Chomche with the Pistons pick.

It is fair to consider those players as his competition. Mogbo has bounced around and would be considered a Senior - he is 22 so not young by any means. The body transformation is interesting, but he has found his niche and he is a high motor kid.

Chomche seems a bit more raw, but he is younger and he has some shooting upside. Dunn seems like an elite defender but he is a smaller frame and he doesn't pass much (6 AST%). I just don't see a role for him in the NBA unless he makes a major leap like Herb Jones.

[Dalek]

Wasn't GG also from S. Carolina? GG had a shot but this guy is a better defender.

It is a good point. GG Jackson was a big time five star recruit that led South Carolina absolutely nowhere. They finished 11–20 and lost in their first round Conference tournament. GG was famous for calling out first year head coach Lamont Paris for getting more touches.

Meanwhile, a year later with Collin Murray-Boyle, a three star, kid from South Carolina the team finished 26-8 and made the NCAA Tournament. They would have been even better if not for the fact the CMB has mono at the beginning of the year which kept him out.

Found this great clip from GG himself talking about CMB:

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[tecumseh18]

I think Mogbo is a guy that is going to climb up boards after workouts. He probably is a guy we have to strongly consider a fit here given the Scottie connection and his high upside. He checks a lot of boxes for me, even if the shooting is not proven.

He is one of four players with 80 dunks last year. The others: Edey, Kalkbrenner, and William Kyle.

He is the only player in Barttorvik database that has had a 80 dunk, 24 Ast%, 3 Blk%, 3 Stl% season. If you lower the dunks to 70, the only other name that fits that profile is Zion Williamson. Impressive stuff all round.

That was his measurement when he was 16. Good wingspan for his height. I would guess his wingspan is close to 7-0 now.

Defensively he didn’t have the bounce like Ryan Dunn. He will need to rely on read and positioning, especially on the perimeter.

Offensively, he can pass and probably know when to cut without the ball. Apparently he was a shooter when he was skinny. The body had a completely transformation, the muscles memory must got screwed, fingers crossed on his shooting ability.

Overall his skill sets and background seem a good fit for the Raptors. Not sure if I would pick him ahead of Ryan Dunn and Ulrich Chomche with the Pistons pick.

Didn't Anthony Davis have the same story? Played PG then his height explode and he attributed his skills to that.

Yeah, well so did Precious. Let's not get too excited here.

[Karanpal]

I actually wouldn’t be surprised if the Raptors take Sheppard if he’s still there and we aren’t in position to take Sarr.

Depend on his measurements. Traditionally, a small guard only succeeds in the NBA if they have girth/strength. I've read great things about Sheppard, but he doesn't have Lowry's build.

He's not a small guard, though. Lowry is like 6 feet with shoes on.

The thing about small guards is they must be strong in the lower body in order to be effective in the NBA. That's why most guard below 6'3 with average wingspan don't become high impact players . My main concern with Sheppard is the size and wingspan and with dilli is his weight.

[manjusaka]

I think Mogbo is a guy that is going to climb up boards after workouts. He probably is a guy we have to strongly consider a fit here given the Scottie connection and his high upside. He checks a lot of boxes for me, even if the shooting is not proven.

He is one of four players with 80 dunks last year. The others: Edey, Kalkbrenner, and William Kyle.

He is the only player in Barttorvik database that has had a 80 dunk, 24 Ast%, 3 Blk%, 3 Stl% season. If you lower the dunks to 70, the only other name that fits that profile is Zion Williamson. Impressive stuff all round.

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That was his measurement when he was 16. Good wingspan for his height. I would guess his wingspan is close to 7-0 now.

Defensively he didn’t have the bounce like Ryan Dunn. He will need to rely on read and positioning, especially on the perimeter.

Offensively, he can pass and probably know when to cut without the ball. Apparently he was a shooter when he was skinny. The body had a completely transformation, the muscles memory must got screwed, fingers crossed on his shooting ability.

Overall his skill sets and background seem a good fit for the Raptors. Not sure if I would pick him ahead of Ryan Dunn and Ulrich Chomche with the Pistons pick.

Didn't Anthony Davis have the same story? Played PG then his height explode and he attributed his skills to that.

It’s kinda different
Davis no longer a hidden talent

Davis grew to 6 feet by the end of his freshman year, then 6-4 as a sophomore and 6-7 to start his junior year. That's when a select group of South Side coaches first took notice.

…

Davis grew to 6-10 before his senior season, but no one seemed to notice that an elite national talent was playing on the South Side.

Kelly Olynyk Wiki

Olynyk developed as a point guard, continuing to play the position even after growing from 6'3" (1.90 m) to 6'10" (2.08 m) in grade 11.

Both AD and KO were already grown to 6-10 before graduated from HS. Mogba was still at 6-0 probably around the junior year.

[VancouverRaps]

Boyles and Mogbo both very intriguing, would not mind if Masai drafted either of them