2025 NBA Draft Thread: Detroit Pick Edition

minimus · Post #401 » by **minimus** » Tue Apr 15, 2025 7:43 am

If Maxime Raynaud is available with 31th pick, would you draft him? My idea behind is that he is french bigman who can learn from Gobert, improve his body (like Garza did). He reminds me Hartenstein, which obviously would be an ideal outcome.

minimus · Post #402 » by **minimus** » Tue Apr 15, 2025 8:06 am

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Alex Condon might be also available with 31 pick. High motor Aussie, who can rebound and pass, a bit undersized for bigman.

Let say with 17th pick MIN draft a BPA who falls out of lottery:

CMB/Sorber/Wolf/Essengue/Bryant/Saraf/Traore

With 31th pick MIN draft a bigman who falls out of first round:

Raynaud/Condon/Broome/Lendeborg

I assume Randle, Minott wont come back. Reid and NAW are re-signed.

Gobert/Sorber/Raynaud
Reid/McDaniels/Miller
McDaniels/NAW/TJ
Edwards/DDV/Clark
DDV/Dillingham/Conley

The idea behind is to give Edwards and Co, some support by drafting a bigman who can rebound and be an offensive hub, play DHO and make simple passes, something that is scalable with Edwards 3PT shooting, DDV and Rob addition. It might create a stable axis of offense. You can see how Gobert and Naz look extremely good when they are catching passes from Edwards on a short roll

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Also I always need to remember that Gobert has no mid range and no floater game (yes, he has push-shot)

Adding a guy who has shooting touch to hit those floater over defender AND make passes would add a totally new dimension to our roster.

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minimus · Post #403 » by **minimus** » Tue Apr 15, 2025 5:31 pm

Can Demin development path be similar to Cade Cunningham? I mean slow methodical offense with old school mid range and post game

minimus · Post #404 » by **minimus** » Wed Apr 16, 2025 8:13 pm

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minimus · Post #405 » by **minimus** » Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:05 am

I saw many comparison for Nique Clifford as Josh Hart thanks of his elite rebounding numbers (9.6RPG). But after watching him, he reminds me of Derrick White. How comfortable you would be drafting him with DET pick considering our logjam at SG position? Can he play SF?

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Post #406 » by **Klomp** » Thu Apr 17, 2025 7:05 pm

minimus wrote:I saw many comparison for Nique Clifford as Josh Hart thanks of his elite rebounding numbers (9.6RPG). But after watching him, he reminds me of Derrick White. How comfortable you would be drafting him with DET pick considering our logjam at SG position? Can he play SF?

I'd be pretty satisfied with that pick. I think he would be a guy who could work his way quickly into Finch's rotation.

shangrila · Post #407 » by **shangrila** » Thu Apr 17, 2025 8:36 pm

Klomp wrote:
minimus wrote:I saw many comparison for Nique Clifford as Josh Hart thanks of his elite rebounding numbers (9.6RPG). But after watching him, he reminds me of Derrick White. How comfortable you would be drafting him with DET pick considering our logjam at SG position? Can he play SF?

I'd be pretty satisfied with that pick. I think he would be a guy who could work his way quickly into Finch's rotation.

I like him as a player but the fit just isn't there. Unless either him or TSJ can play the 4 with the idea being to play a Clark-Shannon-Clifford lineup at the 2-3-4 spots.

shangrila · Post #408 » by **shangrila** » Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:40 pm

minimus wrote:

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If Maxime Raynaud is available with 31th pick, would you draft him? My idea behind is that he is french bigman who can learn from Gobert, improve his body (like Garza did). He reminds me Hartenstein, which obviously would be an ideal outcome.

He reminds me more of KAT than Hartenstein.

Similar style as a stretch 5 that can also put the ball on the floor. 3pt% wasn't there this season but he was over 40% last season and his form isn't broken (needs to move his off hand from the top of the ball). Not a great defender, although there's something there just by virtue of being a 7fter.

I think he fits offensively what Finch likes in bigs and as a 7fter with range offers us something we don't currently have. Not sure if he'd be my main target at 31 but if we got him I wouldn't be disappointed.

winforlose · Post #409 » by **winforlose** » Thu Apr 17, 2025 11:10 pm

If we were offered 20, and 27 for 17 and 31 should we do it? If no would you swap 17 and 31 for 20 and 25?

Neeva · Post #410 » by **Neeva** » Thu Apr 17, 2025 11:38 pm

Not a fan of any of the prospects on this page of the thread. TBH if one of Queen, Fears, Bryant, Essengue, Muluach, Johnson don’t fall to 17, I would just trade the pick. Obviously some of those falling that much is a longshot but it’s happened before with players like Whitmore, Maxey, etc who fell past 17, inexplicably.

shangrila · Post #411 » by **shangrila** » Sat Apr 19, 2025 12:08 am

Neeva wrote:Not a fan of any of the prospects on this page of the thread. TBH if one of Queen, Fears, Bryant, Essengue, Muluach, Johnson don’t fall to 17, I would just trade the pick. Obviously some of those falling that much is a longshot but it’s happened before with players like Whitmore, Maxey, etc who fell past 17, inexplicably.

Maxey didn't fall. He was mocked around that 20-ish range going into the draft, as there were a lot of doubts about him being more than an undersized SG.

Whitmore did but that was due to extenuating circumstances. Health and/or attitude IIRC, although I'm not sure if that was ever confirmed on the record by anyone.

If we're putting early bets on who could fall mine would go to Kasparas.

thinktank · Post #412 » by **thinktank** » Sat Apr 19, 2025 12:15 am

I officially like Queen.

He’s got some Randolph / Draymond too him. Tough and smart player with great hands, touch, vision, IQ, etc. He would kill in the short roll.

But he’s not a regular C.

Neeva · Post #413 » by **Neeva** » Sat Apr 19, 2025 12:49 am

shangrila wrote:
Neeva wrote:Not a fan of any of the prospects on this page of the thread. TBH if one of Queen, Fears, Bryant, Essengue, Muluach, Johnson don’t fall to 17, I would just trade the pick. Obviously some of those falling that much is a longshot but it’s happened before with players like Whitmore, Maxey, etc who fell past 17, inexplicably.

Maxey didn't fall. He was mocked around that 20-ish range going into the draft, as there were a lot of doubts about him being more than an undersized SG.

Whitmore did but that was due to extenuating circumstances. Health and/or attitude IIRC, although I'm not sure if that was ever confirmed on the record by anyone.

If we're putting early bets on who could fall mine would go to Kasparas.

I really really wanted Maxey with pick 16 that year.

Neeva · Post #414 » by **Neeva** » Sat Apr 19, 2025 12:52 am

thinktank wrote:I officially like Queen.

He’s got some Randolph / Draymond too him. Tough and smart player with great hands, touch, vision, IQ, etc. He would kill in the short roll.

But he’s not a regular C.

Agreed , his main issue in lack of giving more effort on defense can hopefully be fixed , with the right coaches. I don’t think Maryland coaches were that.

thinktank · Post #415 » by **thinktank** » Sat Apr 19, 2025 2:14 am

Neeva wrote:
thinktank wrote:I officially like Queen.

He’s got some Randolph / Draymond too him. Tough and smart player with great hands, touch, vision, IQ, etc. He would kill in the short roll.

But he’s not a regular C.

Agreed , his main issue in lack of giving more effort on defense can hopefully be fixed , with the right coaches. I don’t think Maryland coaches were that.

He’ll be fine defending PFs and maybe some Cs.

shangrila · Post #416 » by **shangrila** » Sat Apr 19, 2025 3:39 am

Neeva wrote:
shangrila wrote:
Neeva wrote:Not a fan of any of the prospects on this page of the thread. TBH if one of Queen, Fears, Bryant, Essengue, Muluach, Johnson don’t fall to 17, I would just trade the pick. Obviously some of those falling that much is a longshot but it’s happened before with players like Whitmore, Maxey, etc who fell past 17, inexplicably.

Maxey didn't fall. He was mocked around that 20-ish range going into the draft, as there were a lot of doubts about him being more than an undersized SG.

Whitmore did but that was due to extenuating circumstances. Health and/or attitude IIRC, although I'm not sure if that was ever confirmed on the record by anyone.

If we're putting early bets on who could fall mine would go to Kasparas.

I really really wanted Maxey with pick 16 that year.

I liked him too and hoped we'd be able to get him at 23 after we traded down, which would have been arguably the greatest draft of all time.

younggunsmn · Post #417 » by **younggunsmn** » Sat Apr 19, 2025 4:07 am

Dallas and Sacramento did not make it out of the play-in, so the Pistons pick we own will officially be #17 now.

Miami making the playoffs also pushed the pick they owe OKC all the way from 11 down to 15.

Picks 18-20 and 22-25 will all be decided by coinflips with the pick we owe the Jazz locked in at 21.

younggunsmn · Post #418 » by **younggunsmn** » Sat Apr 19, 2025 4:23 am

This draft looks pretty weak to me.
Might be a good year to trade down in the 1st and restock some future picks if we can.

Quality drops off rapidly in the 2nd round so I hope we don't get cute and trade down or try to make some cash with 31, I'll be really disappointed if we do that.
Good big man quality in that area and it would be great if we could add a backup 5 there who is big enough to play drop and understudy Gobert.
Maybe Ryan Kalkbrenner. Worst case you've got a poor man's Walker Kessler.

Best value where we will be drafting seems to be some of these guys who are already 22 or 23, like we got with TSJ last year.

So I'd maybe trade down maybe no more than 5 or 6 spots and take Yaxel Lendeborg and then Kalkbrenner in the 2nd round.
Lendeborg gives me Kyle Anderson vibes as switchable 4 who can facilitate on offense a bit, although he has better size.
Those skills would fit well on our bench unit.

younggunsmn · Post #419 » by **younggunsmn** » Sat Apr 19, 2025 4:42 am

You know what, sign me up for Yaxel Lendeborg even without a trade down.
He's got as high a floor as anyone in our draft range and I love the rebounding, toughness, and the outlet passing.

wolves_89 · Post #420 » by **wolves_89** » Sat Apr 19, 2025 8:47 pm

I'm really curious to see the draft combine measurements for Thomas Sorber, Carter Bryant, Rasheer Fleming, and Yaxel Lendeborg. I think each of them are interesting in different ways, but I want to see their actual heights/weights/wingspans. The Wolves need to add a defensive oriented long term big who has the length/weight/strength to guard stronger forwards.