2019 NBA Draft Prep

[tbhawksfan1]

Those that like Clarke, where does he play? I love his game, I can't put him on my draft list with his size and game. He plays like a big, but he isn't...big

Off of the bench as an impact sub at both forward slots. Year 2, he can play more on the perimeter as a wing. The transition he had to make many others have made like Leonard, Bazemore, Carroll, etc.

If he can legit play the 3, his value is much higher for me. I've seen him listed at PF/C.

[Spud2nique]

Clarke can be a 20+ ppg scorer with elite defense. That will always appeal to me.

I see more of a 12-17 ppg but impacts game with blocks and key boards and steals. Matrix is a good comparison for sure though.

[King Ken]

Those that like Clarke, where does he play? I love his game, I can't put him on my draft list with his size and game. He plays like a big, but he isn't...big

Off of the bench as an impact sub at both forward slots. Year 2, he can play more on the perimeter as a wing. The transition he had to make many others have made like Leonard, Bazemore, Carroll, etc.

Modern day Buck Williams. Read it here first!

Hope Clarke kicked butt!

He is way more talented than Buck. He plays like DeMarre Carroll but with Shawn Marion athleticism.

[King Ken]

Clarke can be a 20+ ppg scorer with elite defense. That will always appeal to me.

I see more of a 12-17 ppg but impacts game with blocks and key boards and steals. Matrix is a good comparison for sure though.

He can get 12 ppg off his athleticism alone. You add his movement skills and his transition offense, he can easily score in this league. I am telling ya'll, he will develop into a beast. Especially in time. He just needs time to develop.

[tbhawksfan1]

I'm leaning hard Cam, Sekou and a trade up for C. Would anyone be worried sinking 2 top 10 picks into such un-proven high ceiling players?

Yes.

One thing no one seems to take into account in Schlenk's drafting history:

Spoiler:

He's mostly built teams with established, polished, multi-year collegiates. Trae was a one-and-done kid. But:

J Collins - 2 years at Wake Forest
Ty Dorsey - 2 years at Oregon
K Huerter - 2 years at Maryland
Omari Spellman - 2 years at Villanova


On top of that, GSW was largely built the same way:

Ekpe Udo - 3 years of college
Steph Curry - 3 years at Davidson
Klay Thompson - 3 years at Washington
Draymond Green - 4 years at Michigan State

All that to say, I think it's unlikely we actually take two unproven young players in the first round. Even if we take a high risk, high reward young kid at #8, it seems more likely we take a proven player after that.

Agree. So which one is the correct high upside player; Cam or Sekou. I'm wondering if we're not giving Cam the benefit of his HS results and measureables. he sucked last year. Sekou is younger and you can project a Giannis type growth with 3pt potential. I'm leaning Sekou and a surer pick

[Hazer]

Clarke is the Draymond Green of the draft, and Schlank is looking for his Draymond Green. Probably with the 10th if it's not packaged to move up. Would essentially be G/G/G/F/F style ball, with both rambunctious Fs possessing C skillz. Trae/RJ/Huerter/Clarke/Collins would be a LOAD.

[King Ken]

Those that like Clarke, where does he play? I love his game, I can't put him on my draft list with his size and game. He plays like a big, but he isn't...big

Off of the bench as an impact sub at both forward slots. Year 2, he can play more on the perimeter as a wing. The transition he had to make many others have made like Leonard, Bazemore, Carroll, etc.

If he can legit play the 3, his value is much higher for me. I've seen him listed at PF/C.

People looking too much into the data. Watch him play, he moves exceptionally well on and off the ball. His feel for the game is top notch. He is a movement player

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

Yeah, well fwiw, Clarke's about to be the first one voted off the Hawks Survivor island thanks to the lone voter thus far... hehe.

[CP War Hawks]

Clarke can be a 20+ ppg scorer with elite defense. That will always appeal to me.

I see more of a 12-17 ppg but impacts game with blocks and key boards and steals. Matrix is a good comparison for sure though.

He can get 12 ppg off his athleticism alone. You add his movement skills and his transition offense, he can easily score in this league. I am telling ya'll, he will develop into a beast. Especially in time. He just needs time to develop.

Time for what though, he's almost 23. It's unfair to link him wit Marion who had a 7 foot plus wingspan along with unmatched overall athleticism during his era. Clarke is still light in the pants at 207, he needs to develop some sf skills to make it long term.

[King Ken]

I see more of a 12-17 ppg but impacts game with blocks and key boards and steals. Matrix is a good comparison for sure though.

He can get 12 ppg off his athleticism alone. You add his movement skills and his transition offense, he can easily score in this league. I am telling ya'll, he will develop into a beast. Especially in time. He just needs time to develop.

Time for what though, he's almost 23. It's unfair to link him wit Marion who had a 7 foot plus wingspan along with unmatched overall athleticism during his era. Clarke is still light in the pants at 207, he needs to develop some sf skills to make it long term.

Have you watched him play? His athleticism is off the charts. I would say he much better with his athleticism due to his excellent BBIQ. Wingspan matters which how you use what you got matters even more. CP3 has shorter arms and a shorter height than most PGs but throughout his career but plays big, high BBIQ and good athleticism helps him tremendously.

A lot of Clarke naysayers never watched him play in longevity

[Spud2nique]

Clarke is the Draymond Green of the draft, and Schlank is looking for his Draymond Green. Probably with the 10th if it's not packaged to move up. Would essentially be G/G/G/F/F style ball, with both rambunctious Fs possessing C skillz. Trae/RJ/Huerter/Clarke/Collins would be a LOAD.

Been preaching this for a a while now about Clarke being Green. Schlenk is in love with Clarke Hachimura and Kabengele imo.

[King Ken]

He plays nothing like Green.

[Spud2nique]

He plays nothing like Green.

No not skill wise...more of the presence he provides with his defensive versatility. Could be an enforcer on D for us much like Draymond is for the scrubs.

[gundysmullet]

Did you just refer to yourself in the 3rd person? Gundysmullet doesn't like that.

After the NBA Combine Big board from KK.

Spoiler:

Update: 5/31/2019

Tier 1: Superstar potential
1. Zion - Elite floor, Elite but NOT a HOF ceiling, fit will play a role if he becomes an superstar level player. As special as they come. Even if others may have potential, no one should pass up on him for any reason whatsoever.

Tier 2: All Star potential

2t. R.J. Barrett - High floor, very high ceiling, could be one of the best players in the league in the right situation. Like this entire in this class, fit is important for Barrett long term.

2t. Ja Morant - One of the best talents in this class but one has to seriously question his floor. A bad fit could limit his impact. Best to put him around shooters. Special PG talent.

Tier 3.5: Decent Role player potential with All Star possibilities down the road. I do see these guys as Day 1 contributors.

4t. Reddish - Semi low floor, very high ceiling. System based player.

4t. Brandon Clarke - Mid high floor, very high ceiling, I strongly believe he can be the next DeMarre Carroll with Shawn Marion level athleticism. System based player. Will need time to translate into a SF.

4t. Darius Garland - Low mid floor, high ceiling.

4t. Bol - High floor and very high ceiling? System based player. Extremely bad flaws. Extremely good strengths.

4t. Coby White - Semi-Mid floor and high ceiling, System based player

Tier 4: Decent Role player potential or raw with AS possibilities. Deep Tier 4 class. One of the best in years. Of course, some of these guys could return.

9t. Jaxson Hayes - Low floor with high ceiling, Hayes has a blend of J. Noah, Capela and Robin Lopez in him. He is so far from ready to play, anyone who takes him will likely send him to the G-League for a season. System based player

9t. DeAndre Hunter - Very high floor with mid ceiling, you are looking at a Otto Porter Jr/Ron Artest type who can help you right away. He can fit any system to a degree and he fits the modern NBA. 4
9t. Romeo Langford - Low floor/High ceiling, low end All Star potential but he has a lot of work to do. Work ethic will be critical with this one.

9t. Nassir Little – Big mover with Romeo, at the end of the day, even with a lower end floor, his ceiling I low end All Star and that matters.

9t. Rui - Teams will underrate him but he is a critical piece to a PnR team looking for a high end PnR finisher who can switch. May never be a superstar but in the right fit, you got someone who can really play. High floor, high mid ceiling. System based player. – Rui moved up a level as he has shown me he is a legit prospect of the tier 4.

9t. Mfiondu Kabengele - Low floor, mid high ceiling and not a system based player. He will generate a lot of attention in the mid 1st to late 1st range. To me, he is a prospect that you must look at due to his ability to fit the modern game. – Great workouts, moved up.

9t. Goga Bitadze - Mid floor, mid high ceiling who is a system based player. The right team will have to draft him but in the right system, he could be more than valuable. – Great 2nd half of the season, moved up.

9t. Jarrett Culver - mid high floor with a lower-mid ceiling who would be at his best in a PG based role. Jalen Rose type. – Move up as he is better than I previously stated, I still have my doubts.

9t. Sekou - low floor with high ceiling who has tremendous smallball four potential. Not the next Siakam but he can be very good down the road. – Great 2nd half of the season, moved up.

18. Bruno Fernando - mid floor with mid potential who has play in numerous systems but could be very good in the right one. Good pickup in this range.

19t. Tyler Herro - Low Floor, semi high ceiling with tremendous work ethic. Will need to adjust to the NBA game but has potential.

19t. P.J. Washington - Mid Floor, Mid potential who has a projectable jumper. David West type.

19t. Nickeil Alexander-Walker - mid floor with mid potential who can be a good role player for most teams in time. Gary Harris type

19t. Talen Horton-Tucker - Lower low floor with a semi high ceiling. His projectability is everything. Teams love him, moving on up.

19t. KZ Okpala - Low floor/High ceiling who is a system based player. System/culture/and fit will be critical. His ceiling is one of the highest in this class.

24t. Keldon Johnson - mid floor with mid potential who is a system player. Needs to be protected.

24t. Grant Williams - High floor/Low ceiling. High quality late 1st round pick, wouldn't risk taking him 20 or better.

24t. Matisse Thybulle - Lower mid floor/Semi High ceiling. Has starting role player potential.

24t. Nic Claxton - Low floor, Semi high ceiling. System versatility. Could be a big mover if he enters. His ceiling and skill-set is legit.

24t. Luka Samanic – Low mid floor with high mid ceiling. Could be a rich man’s Niko Mirotic.

29t. Jalen McDaniels- Teams have been high on his ceiling and role playing potential off the bench for awhile. He is a Swiss army knife and teams could see him as the big man's version of Terrance Ferguson. I can see him going in this range and his floor is higher than people think.

29t. Gafford - More of a 2nd round floor. He does play the PnR well, move well and space and flash potential in space on defense. He is more inconsistent but his potential to be a two way player who can defend in space on defense and play in space on offense makes his NBA ceiling higher than most in this range. Teams will be higher on him after workouts. His ability to play in space on both ends will appeal to a lot of teams looking for a big who can protect others, especially on D in the switching parts of the game.

29t. Kevin Porter Jr. - Low floor/High ceiling with questionable work ethic and character. – I haven’t heard nothing to move him up higher. He is lucky he plays a need position where teams will overlook the weaknesses for the potential.

29t. Cameron Johnson - Big mover, lower mid floor/semi high ceiling. More NBA ready than Final Four hero Justin Jackson. He is a clearly better NBA prospect to me.

33t. Admiral Schofield - semi low floor/semi high ceiling - I see a lot of P.J. Tucker long term is Scho in flashes. I need to see more of Scho, Tennessee just hasn't been a team I've watched a lot of. This is could change the time the draft is here.

33t. Ty Jerome - Not quite the shooter Shamet was but a better PG and a much better defender. But he doesn't have the positional versatility that Shamet had. Jerome really is a PG. Potential to be a low end starter in the NBA which is pretty good for a 2nd round grade. high floor/semi low ceiling.

33t. Darius Bazley – Very low floor, high ceiling. Excellent value in this range.

33t. Isaiah Roby - Isaiah Roby - 3/D potential ceiling. 6'8, has the size, can get blocks and steals. His shooting needs work. Doesn't quite have the athletic ability. Clearly a 2/way guy. Some will say he has RoCo potential but he really going to have to improve his shooting. Guys like Ennis and Covington shot it better but than again, they played for small schools, not in the Big 12. For positions where they have taller better bigger players, we should take it more seriously as well seen with guys like Taurean Prince. – Had an excellent combine. Moved into my top 35.

33t. Terance Davis – Measureables are there, hand size, skill, athletic ability, Davis has a great chance to be a major sleeper in this class long term.

33t. Justin Harper – Another kid who just has so much talent and ability and really can be good. I really compare him to Ben Gordon and another kid in this class (Justin Wright-Foreman).

33t. Terrance Mann - I actually like his potential. Clearly 2/way contract. Not NBA ready whatsoever but he does show enough to play in the G-League and see if he can have a NBA career. Low floor/low mid ceiling. – I bumped his floor to low high and his ceiling to mid. 1st round potential to me long term.

33t. Tremont Waters – He had a major bump. The only PG outside of tier 4 to just into tier 4. Tremendous talent. D.J. Augustin like potential. Higher floor than many will expect, low mid ceiling.

33t. Kyle Guy – low mid floor, mid ceiling, Guy is a polished prospect with the potential to be a decent NBA player in the long run.
33t. Tyler Cook – very low floor with mid high potential, a player who lacks the feel of the game but the talent and athletic ability is there. Needs time and the right situation. Could be a steal.

33t. Chuma Okeke - Semi high floor with a mid ceiling. Injury dropped his value. Top 20 value when healthy!

33t Jontay Porter - Semi high floor with a high ceiling. Injuries have majorly dropped what would be a top 5-10 player in this draft.


Tier 5: Low floors with Decent Role player potential or career backups with limited potential - I don't

45. Justin Wright-Foreman - Ben Gordon like but not as long (6'6 wingspan compared to Ben's 6'8.25 wingspan). More skillful scorer than Ben, not as athletic which shows especially on defense. Good passing vision. Has potential as an instant scorer off the bench.

46t. Naz Reid - Brian Grant like - Semi mid floor, low mid ceiling. Limited on defense. Rotational piece for the NBA at the 5.

46t. Zach Norvell - semi low floor, semi high ceiling. Has two way potential. Consistency is an issue. Flashes Michael Redd potential.

46t. Tacko Fall - semi high floor, low ceiling. rotational big. system based player.

46t. Dylan Windler - semi mid floor, semi mid ceiling. system based player.

46t. Shamorie Ponds - High Floor/low ceiling. D.J. Augustin type depending on what you think. I will likely lean more Augustin.

46t. Jalen Lecque - Placeholder spot, I have no clue about him for now.

46t. Miye Oni - Low floor - high mid potential - I think he could be the Josh Richardson of this class in the right situation. Not sold he will come out as a 2nd rounder. His potential is his calling card.

46t. Louis King - Low floor - semi mid potential - Has the size and skill. I am not sure about the rest. Workouts will matter, if he does poorly, I can see him going back to Oregon.

54t. Marial Shayok - Low floor - semi mid potential, consistency is an issue for Shayok but his talent and skill as well as his body isn't. He will likely go undrafted but his development in the G-League could see him playing good in the NBA sooner than later. Sleeper.

54t. Carsen Edwards - Mid high floor with a low ceiling, shooting will be critical for his prospects. Moved up the list due to the tourney but I can see him having issues translating to the NBA. Shooting will be everything.

54t. Lindell Wigginton - 2020 prospect but low floor/mid ceiling. Can boost his ceiling in 2020. Has the ability.

54t. Markus Howard - More of a high European prospect. He is an elite scorer and shooter but not much else and his defense can be labeled as a better Jimmer. Mid floor/low ceiling. His shooting, ability to create his own shot and BBIQ will appeal to teams looking for a 2/way. His 2/way appeal helps his NBA profile.

54t. Lawson - He is a really good college player. One of the best but he doesn't really have a position or a legit skill. Growth will be critical but should be a 2/way prospect with potential to be a low end rotation player. Low floor/low mid ceiling.

54t. Jordan Bone - 2020 prospect but low floor/mid ceiling. Can boost his ceiling in 2020. He is unique. He is one of those rare seniors who can take a major leap. Don't be surprised if him and Yves Pons takes a major leap in 2020. Both have the athletic ability and their development has been ample. Rick Barnes is working his magic in Knoxville.

60t. Charles Matthews - Injuries could lower his status but he is a clear NBA player to me. Mid high floor/low ceiling.

60t. Jordan Poole - Sam Veceine is sold on him. I just haven't watched Michigan much and when I did, they played bad and lost or they just played bad this year. Like Maryland last year, when I get a chance to watch their games, I will probably bump these guys up.

60t Iggy Brazdeikis - See Poole. I am pretty much putting the UM guys in this range till I can really rate them.

60t. Konate - His potential is much higher than his floor. He has talent and ability but the G-League should be an option for him. low floor/semi-mid ceiling.

60t. Paschall - Been watching Paschall for a while. Not sold on his standing reach. 2/way guy. He can play in the NBA right now but I am not sure he can stick. mid high floor/low ceiling.

65t. Cassius Winston - Moved up due to the tourney but I have questions about his ability to play bully ball 6'1 185.

65t. Tookie Brown - Mid high floor, with a semi low floor, this is my steal of the draft. I didn't really watch his games much but I watched him at Portsmouth and he clearly looked like a NBA player, the numbers and highlights match and he has that IT0 factor of just getting buckets in kinda way. He has moved up my draft board. IT0 of this class. I think he will get some looks in the draft.

67t. Ahmed Hill - semi low floor, with a semi low ceiling

67t. Nick Perkins - semi mid floor with low ceiling

67t. Justin James - semi low floor, with a semi low ceiling

67t. Fletcher Magee - semi mid floor with a low ceiling who has potential to develop into a rotation player. I like his 2/way potential. An elite shooter and can get from three in every way like Redick. I wouldn't be suprised if he was drafted in the 2nd round.

67t. Obi Toppin - semi low floor, with a semi low ceiling

67t. John Konchar - semi mid floor, semi low ceiling. All around player. Flashes potential to be a good NBA player. G-League will be a need. Shades of a bigger, strong, taller, not quite the shooter and skill of Scott Skiles. Like Skiles, doesn't lack a skill but does he have the athletic ability. He isn't anywhere near as good as Scott was. Scott was a lot more polished but John is 6'5, 215. His potential is there.

67t. Simi Shittu - very low floor with a semi high ceiling

67t. DaQuan Jeffries - high low floor with a semi mid ceiling

67t. Reggie Perry - high low floor with a semi mid ceiling

67t. Dewan Hernandez - high low floor with a semi mid ceiling

67t. Oshae Brissett - high low floor with a semi mid ceiling

67t. Cody Martin - high low floor with a semi mid ceiling

80t. Jarrell Brantley - semi low floor, with a semi low ceiling

80t. Daishon Smith - mid floor, low ceiling, good player who has 2-way potential to be a decent player.

80t. Luguentz Dort - low floor/mid ceiling. Has a projectable frame and skill-set but just is completely unpolished and not ready for the NBA.

80t. Mike Daum - Mid high floor - low potential - I compare his type to Kris Humphries. 23 years old but he has a lot of translatable skill.

80t. Aric Holman - projectable player. Obviously has to put on more size. 3/D PF. A clear low floor semi mid ceiling who is a 2/way option. Could move up into the 2nd round with ease.

80t. Caleb Martin - semi mid floor with a low ceiling who has potential to develop into a rotation player.

80t. Juwan Morgan - semi mid floor with a low ceiling who has potential to develop into a rotation player.

80t. Josh Reaves - semi mid floor with a low ceiling who has potential to develop into a rotation player. His defensive potential will warrant some looks in the 2nd.

80t. Cody Martin - semi mid floor with a low ceiling who has potential to develop into a rotation player. Great passer for position and you hope he can develop into a secondary playmaker who is a 3/D player long term. Has long term

80t. Robert Franks - semi mid floor with a low ceiling who has potential to develop into a rotation player.

80t. Bennie Boatwright - 2020 prospect but low floor/semi-mid ceiling.

80t. Brian Bowen - low floor/mid ceiling, workouts will be critical for him. Could move up.

80t. D’Marcus Simonds - low floor/semi mid ceiling, he can play but he has to develop his shooting ability and his decision making. If he can develop it, he could be a NBA player but it's unlikely.

80t. Amir Hinton - very low floor/mid ceiling, he has the tools, skills and the talent but he is so far away from others. It's like watching a HS player who played HS ball.

80t. Jaylen Hoard - low floor/semi mid ceiling, his ability to play in Europe next year could push him into the 2nd round. He has the talent and size to play in the NBA but he doesn't have the skill, readiness, or feel at this point.

Tier 6: G-Leaguer who have the potential to be career backups with limited potential or non NBA prospects who will practice their trade overseas.

95t. Ethan Happ - Tremendously skilled big with no range whatsoever.

95t. CJ Massinburg - Euro

95t. Kerwin Roach - Euro

95t. Ky Bowman - G-League

95t. Chris Clemons - China

95t. Matt Morgan - G-League

95t. Makai Mason - G-League

95t. Tyus Battle - 2020 prospect but not getting drafted in 2020 either.

95t. Dean Wade- Has a lot of potential in countries that value big men passes in Europe but no NBA Potential.

95t. Kenny Goins - G-League

95t. Christ Koumadje - G-League

95t. Zac Cuthbertson - G-League - poor man's NAW

95t. Jakeenan Gant - very poor man's Jarian Grant

95t. Trayvon Reed - G-League

95t. Matt Morgan - G-League

95t. Cameron Young - G-League - Klutch Client

[King Ken]

He plays nothing like Green.

No not skill wise...more of the presence he provides with his defensive versatility. Could be an enforcer on D for us much like Draymond is for the scrubs.

He plays more like Dennis Rodman on defense but much more athletic.

Offensively, he plays exactly like DMC when he was at Missouri but of course, the extremely athletic version

[Spud2nique]

He plays nothing like Green.

No not skill wise...more of the presence he provides with his defensive versatility. Could be an enforcer on D for us much like Draymond is for the scrubs.

He plays more like Dennis Rodman on defense but much more athletic.

Offensively, he plays exactly like DMC when he was at Missouri but of course, the extremely athletic version

I dig the Rodman reference but would taper it down a tad. Rodman was one of the best defenders in the history of the NBA. I remember nights when we played the Pistons he always gave Nique a tough time and would limit him many times. If Clarke is half the defender Rodman was I’ll take it. Clarke is athletically off the charts better than Rodman though for sure. Rodman just understood the precise time and location of the ball off the rim on a board and locking stars down one on one.

#sjsu

[King Ken]

No not skill wise...more of the presence he provides with his defensive versatility. Could be an enforcer on D for us much like Draymond is for the scrubs.

He plays more like Dennis Rodman on defense but much more athletic.

Offensively, he plays exactly like DMC when he was at Missouri but of course, the extremely athletic version

I dig the Rodman reference but would taper it down a tad. Rodman was one of the best defenders in the history of the NBA. I remember nights when we played the Pistons he always gave Nique a tough time and would limit him many times. If Clarke is half the defender Rodman was I’ll take it. Clarke is athletically off the charts better than Rodman though for sure. Rodman just understood the precise time and location of the ball off the rim on a board and locking stars down one on one.

#sjsu

He was one of the best defensive players in NCAA history. Clarke is a special special defensive prospect and he has a lot of offensive ability too. He is going to be special in the right system and situation.

[Hazer]

He plays nothing like Green.

Defensive juggernaut, I'm saying...

[personanongrata]

He plays more like Dennis Rodman on defense but much more athletic.

Offensively, he plays exactly like DMC when he was at Missouri but of course, the extremely athletic version

I dig the Rodman reference but would taper it down a tad. Rodman was one of the best defenders in the history of the NBA. I remember nights when we played the Pistons he always gave Nique a tough time and would limit him many times. If Clarke is half the defender Rodman was I’ll take it. Clarke is athletically off the charts better than Rodman though for sure. Rodman just understood the precise time and location of the ball off the rim on a board and locking stars down one on one.

#sjsu

He was one of the best defensive players in NCAA history. Clarke is a special special defensive prospect and he has a lot of offensive ability too. He is going to be special in the right system and situation.

Apparently some think his tremendous production and efficiency is completely negated by an unimpressive wing span.

[Geaux_Hawks]

I dig the Rodman reference but would taper it down a tad. Rodman was one of the best defenders in the history of the NBA. I remember nights when we played the Pistons he always gave Nique a tough time and would limit him many times. If Clarke is half the defender Rodman was I’ll take it. Clarke is athletically off the charts better than Rodman though for sure. Rodman just understood the precise time and location of the ball off the rim on a board and locking stars down one on one.

#sjsu

He was one of the best defensive players in NCAA history. Clarke is a special special defensive prospect and he has a lot of offensive ability too. He is going to be special in the right system and situation.

Apparently some think his tremendous production and efficiency is completely negated by an unimpressive wing span.

It is in a lot of cases. Especially among bigs. Guard, PG's for sure, can get away without being long, but bigs need that more than anything.