Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

[j_n]

I wonder what Orlando thinks of Brandon Knight.

Magic fan, whats wrong with knight? why dont you guys like him?
I admit I havent watched him a lot this year but the few times I saw him he looked good and his stats are really impressive.

[TroyD92]

I wonder what Orlando thinks of Brandon Knight.

Magic fan, whats wrong with knight? why dont you guys like him?
I admit I havent watched him a lot this year but the few times I saw him he looked good and his stats are really impressive.

There's a huge thread on him already, and we don't need to dilute this thread into an anti-knight vs pro-knight debate. This is just IMO.

Spoiler:

He's not a good lead guard. Bad decision maker, loose handles, dribbles with his head down. Also might be the worst player under 6'8 running a fastbreak.

[JimmyTheKid]

Little training center talk,

Suns also get the 2017 Clips 1st as well as a 2016 top 7 protected pick from the Kings (increasing to 10 then lotto protected).

Theory was the Bucks getting younger and using the Clips 2017 1st to clear nearly 13.5m in future salary cap, the Suns wanting more help at PF and C while getting a stretch player at either spot and clearing up their log jam at the guard spot all while getting a 1st round pick (in this case two), and the Kings making a win-now move after hiring Karl.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nvsh6kp

Actually looks like a fair trade for all parties. Sign me up.

[WeekapaugGroove]

It's a forgone conclusion that Dragic is gone?

I think it's 50/50 dragic gets moved. Phoenix is looking to do a minor sell off right now and green IT and plumlee are also very available.

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[Profound23]

Any way we can trade for Kanter, Stauskus, Plumlee, and McDermott while keeping Ersan and Zaza? Maybe the NBA would be more watchable to people like Chuck and Wickett.

[eagle13]

Little training center talk,

Suns also get the 2017 Clips 1st as well as a 2016 top 7 protected pick from the Kings (increasing to 10 then lotto protected).

Theory was the Bucks getting younger and using the Clips 2017 1st to clear nearly 13.5m in future salary cap, the Suns wanting more help at PF and C while getting a stretch player at either spot and clearing up their log jam at the guard spot all while getting a 1st round pick (in this case two), and the Kings making a win-now move after hiring Karl.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nvsh6kp

Actually looks like a fair trade for all parties. Sign me up.

Kings clean up - Bucks do well - Suns get bent over - they never do it

[raferfenix]

The Dragic situation seems like a sea change from this summer when he was talking like it was a foregone conclusion that he was resigning while Phoenix picked up his brother.

If he is signalling that he is leaving then the Suns must be panicking. And if he is legitimately not sure where he wants to end up Phoenix getting two first round picks would be as good as you could hope for considering he might bolt in 30 games.

Anyways it seems like something is going to give in Arizona. Posted this earlier but it bears repeating:

"I think our roster balance is a little off, and that's my fault," Suns GM Ryan McDonough told Burns and Gambo on Arizona Sports 98.7 FM Wednesday. "We are a little too backcourt heavy, especially in terms of guys who, you know, I think you'd define primarily as scorers in the backcourt.

"So I think at some point we'll need to balance that out, try to get a little more size, a little more frontcourt scoring and rebounding."

http://arizonasports.com/41/1806908/Pho ... little-off

That Feb. 11 article also cites how they had "lost five of their last six games and seven of their last 10, and at a time when you'd like to see the team improving, they appear to be going in the opposite direction."

[JimmyTheKid]

Little training center talk,

Suns also get the 2017 Clips 1st as well as a 2016 top 7 protected pick from the Kings (increasing to 10 then lotto protected).

Theory was the Bucks getting younger and using the Clips 2017 1st to clear nearly 13.5m in future salary cap, the Suns wanting more help at PF and C while getting a stretch player at either spot and clearing up their log jam at the guard spot all while getting a 1st round pick (in this case two), and the Kings making a win-now move after hiring Karl.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nvsh6kp

Actually looks like a fair trade for all parties. Sign me up.

Kings clean up - Bucks do well - Suns get bent over - they never do it

Did you miss the part where the Suns get two 1st round picks?

[raferfenix]

Thinking about Giannis Parker's scenario:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nvsh6kp

Not sure how much of this is information he's heard (thanks for sharing!) vs speculation (however much informed), but either way until the ink is dry it stands to reason that things could be shifted around.

The key components are the Kings and LAC picks going to the Suns. Phoenix also would be valuing both Ersan and Thompson positively here.

Last trade deadline we were getting whispers that the Suns would take on Ilyasova so maybe that is still the case. However I could see him heading to the Kings who have been targeting a stretch 4 all season. Also am presuming the Suns would badly want to bring Dudley back, but at this point I doubt the Bucks would do that for this package. Rather I think we have added motivation to deal Ersan to make it more justifiable to resign Jared.

Not sure about the cap implications of this deal all around. If this messes with Phoenix's plans to sign max free agents no way they take on the salary.

Conversely, the Bucks pick up an extra $9.2 million in cap space according to ESPN trade machine math in this deal. If that's right $9.2 million in cap space might be the main part of the deal for us.

That could make us serious players for Monroe / Koufos / Kanter etc. this off season.

I don't know how I feel about keeping Stauskas vs leveraging his asset value. Knight / Middleton seems like plenty of long term investment at SG to me. Then again if Kidd gets him to develop his value would increase, and we don't know if there are other teams offering worthwhile pieces for him at the moment otherwise.

Not sure how to think about Plumlee vs ZaZa. It doesn't seems like an upgrade for the short term and since he's 26 I don't know how long term it is either. ZaZa is 31 and those 5 years matter a lot, but unless the Kings seriously value Pachulia this might be more about getting under the cap to sign a longer term replacement than it is about us liking Plumlee.

[LUKE23]

Honestly, all of the Kanter talk has me confused. He's a defensive sieve, and one of the worst passing big men in the league. That's two aspects that make him a horrible fit for us right off the bat. On top of that, we are going to give assets up for a guy who is guaranteed to be here only 29 games? None of it makes any sense. Its not like we have a mountain of cap space this offseason, that doesn't occur until a year from this summer. We need to keep Middleton for sure and you know we are going to look to bring back Knight. Are you confident we keep Kanter, especially with Sanders on the books still and Henson very likely being a better overall player/fit for us and needing a contract next summer?

I"ll pass unless they just give him away.

[Ill-yasova]

I wonder what Orlando thinks of Brandon Knight.

Magic fan, whats wrong with knight? why dont you guys like him?
I admit I havent watched him a lot this year but the few times I saw him he looked good and his stats are really impressive.

He's not a PG which is fine because he scores enough to play SG. The problem is, do you want to pay $10-12 mil for an undersized SG who will struggle to defend the position? Plus we already have a really good 3-and-D SG holding down the position so....

[EastSideBucksFan]

Little training center talk,

Suns also get the 2017 Clips 1st as well as a 2016 top 7 protected pick from the Kings (increasing to 10 then lotto protected).

Theory was the Bucks getting younger and using the Clips 2017 1st to clear nearly 13.5m in future salary cap, the Suns wanting more help at PF and C while getting a stretch player at either spot and clearing up their log jam at the guard spot all while getting a 1st round pick (in this case two), and the Kings making a win-now move after hiring Karl.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nvsh6kp

Actually looks like a fair trade for all parties. Sign me up.

Not for the Suns. No idea why they would take on that salary and give up expiring Dragic and a rookie contract C.

[M-C-G]

Honestly, all of the Kanter talk has me confused. He's a defensive sieve, and one of the worst passing big men in the league. That's two aspects that make him a horrible fit for us right off the bat. On top of that, we are going to give assets up for a guy who is guaranteed to be here only 29 games? None of it makes any sense. Its not like we have a mountain of cap space this offseason, that doesn't occur until a year from this summer. We need to keep Middleton for sure and you know we are going to look to bring back Knight. Are you confident we keep Kanter, especially with Sanders on the books still and Henson very likely being a better overall player/fit for us and needing a contract next summer?

I"ll pass unless they just give him away.

I know a lot of offers have been thrown around on Kanter, but the specific scenario that I outlined is;

Kanter in for Ersan/Clipper 1st

WORST case scenario, say Kanter is a horrible fit, doesn't buy into the system, etc...you have used the Clipper 1st to clear out Ersan for next year (which is more salary than Clippers cleared by giving us the 1st).

BEST case scenario, Kanter fits in, provides something we don't have, Kidd and FO like him and want to keep him around as part of the core.

The Kanter <> Middleton stuff is nonsense, and for a few weeks now, I think it is obvious that most everyone here wants MIddleton as part of the core going forward.

[WeekapaugGroove]

It's a forgone conclusion that Dragic is gone?

I said 50/50 this morning but just read an article that the Lakers might offer him 4 yrs 80mil this summer. If that's true then it's more like 90/10 Goran gets traded. That's insane money.

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[BobbyLight]

I'd be stunned if we trade Zaza because I kind of feel like Kidd loves him in ways we will never understand.

That said, that trade makes sense for Phoenix if they are assuming Ersan gets back to normal production. Which isn't completely unreasonable, when he's been full healthy, he's been pretty good with the exception of the start of the season.

Still kind of a stretch imo.

[BobbyLight]

I also love all this ENES IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE THESE THINGS I HATE.

Because everyone around here was stoked to get Bayless for his leadership, shooting and defense before the season started, right?

I don't think it's a stretch that Kidd maybe gets something more out of him than Enes' previous coaches. Kidd's kind of done that a few times, even with the Nets last year.

[Ill-yasova]

I've had my username since 2006 and sometimes I wonder if it is the only thing keeping Ersan on this team year after year. I may change it before the trade deadline just to see what happens.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I'm all for that trade. Gives us some healthy depth for the playoffs since you know one of Zaza and Ersan would go down.

Henson 24/ Plumlee 24
Parker 30/ Duds 18
Giannis 30/ Middleton 10
Middleton 20/ Knight 12/Staukaus 18
Knight 18/ Bayless 15/ Marshall 15

Nice deep 9-man rotation next year. Add in Ingles, Sanders, JOB, Draft picks to round out the rest of the team. All starter are young but growing.

[Licensed to Il]

I would really like the Phoenix Plumlee on this team. Very underratted in my opinion, kind of a poor man's Tyson Chandler (energy, screen setting, rebounding, above the rim finishing).

[jakecronus8]

Listening to the Big show yesterday and it was Woelfel so...



...however, he said he spoke to Stauskas specifically about Milwaukee, and Nik said some pretty candid stuff.

When Gery told him he's heard Milwaukee had some interest in him, Stauskas said he'd heard that as well. Gery then asked if Nik would be surprised if he was traded to the Bucks and Nik responded, "wouldn't surprise me at all."

Weird. I've never seen an athlete be so candid about what was thought to be speculation. If this was just Gery saying he heard a rumor id pay it no mind but straight from the horse's mouth, it got me a little excited. Gonna be really disappointed when we sit on our hands at the deadline. Haha.