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Bradley Beal - Part II

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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#421 » by hands11 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:22 am

dlts20 wrote:Hands, I understand what you are saying but you dont bench the #3 pick in the draft who is just 20 and has showed so much promise.

You wanna know what you do? You bench him but you do it "in game". Thats how you send a message. Once he takes those back to back or 3 in a row terrible jumpers, you pull the plug on him. Thats how a guy like him gets it. Honestly, you shouldnt even have to do that if you have a great coach. I just cant believe he's continuing to do this if someone on the staff is ripping him for it. My guess is that they just make general comments to him and our guys about getting to the FT line more. Instead they should tell him how truly horrible those shots are. How he is looking like NY & Crawful. How he went from being an All Star to a one dimensional bench player. Our coaching staff sucks


Good point dts

I wouldn't want to send him to the bench permanently. I just wanted to see that other rotation to set a standard. Something tells me Wall, Webster, Trevor A, Kevin and Nene could play a level of ball we all could be proud of and they could keep each other in check. Webster would can talk to Wall and TA. Nene can keep charge of Kevin.

Then once the standard is set, let Beal step up to it with Webster mentoring him from SF. See, that is what we miss by not having Webster out there with Beal by having Trevor A starting. Not that TA shouldn't start because of that he add in defense, but lets not ignore what Webster add as a mentor/leader to Wall and Beal.

As for saying he is looking like Crawford. Hmmmmm. Crawford had good handles. Had the herky jerky get you off balance and then drive part to his game. Beal doesn't have that. Now if you mean Crawford I'm going to dribble up the floor and take a Gil. Then yeah. But like Crawford, Gil would also drive. No, Nick Young is the only good comparison. None driving ... all jumpers. Only Beal doesn't dribble around in one place before doing it.

Hmm. One denominational bench player. That was the message I was trying to send by putting him on the bench :wink:

Now I would hate to affect his AS chances in doing it but maybe he need to earn it more first. He is young. He need to have goals. But I get your comment. Its all just so frustrating. I wish I could trust in the fact that I thought Randy had a handle on things and knew how to make it better. I just don't have that feeling. Oh sure, maybe two weeks down the road he might stumble into the answer. That's the Randy way. I expect in the next week or two he might figure out the line ups I wanted to see since I know what the roster was.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#422 » by hands11 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:27 am

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dlts20 wrote:Hands, I understand what you are saying but you dont bench the #3 pick in the draft who is just 20 and has showed so much promise.

You wanna know what you do? You bench him but you do it "in game". Thats how you send a message. Once he takes those back to back or 3 in a row terrible jumpers, you pull the plug on him. Thats how a guy like him gets it. Honestly, you shouldnt even have to do that if you have a great coach. I just cant believe he's continuing to do this if someone on the staff is ripping him for it. My guess is that they just make general comments to him and our guys about getting to the FT line more. Instead they should tell him how truly horrible those shots are. How he is looking like NY & Crawful. How he went from being an All Star to a one demensional bench player. Our coaching staff sucks



I think this is the wise approach to dealing with Beal, rather than not starting him. Beal is not the primary or sole reason for the team's offensive struggles and shouldn't be made to feel that way.

Bradley definitely needs to stop taking so many bad long range jumpers, especially when they are not falling, and look for more opportunities to attack the basket for either a layup, a dish to an open teammate or a trip to the free throw line. I find it hard to believe that someone on the coaching staff is not taking a bite out of Beal's butt every time he takes and misses 2-3 long jumpers and doesn't even pretend like he's going to try to take his defender off the dribble.

But, as others have said, at the end of the day it's about an offensive scheme that is simply not creating enough opportunities (or spacing) for Beal, Wall, etc. to penetrate to the basket.


I hear ya DCz

Maybe they need a player mutiny. Hell, Gil never ran EFJ's stupid offense much. 4 times a game they would weave to start thing, then came the heave with 5 on the clock. It was another complicated principle offense that young players couldn't run. Specially numb nuts like Nick and McGee.

Between Nene, Gortat, Webster and Trevor A, I'm sure they can come up with something that works. Then just tell Wall what to do. Sounds like about what Randy wants anyway. He says its on the player to get it done and make plays. Well Wall is the PG. Just call a play. Not like Randy is going to call a time out to stop him from doing it.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#423 » by AFM » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:35 am

Can someone teach Beal just a basic crossover?

Most AAU players have a better handle than this kid.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#424 » by hands11 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:43 am

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Ariza was guarding Henderson for most of the game. Webster also guarded Henderson. Beal was guarding Chris Douglas Roberts and Sessions (when the Bobcats went small).

BS. He was guarding Henderson when Henderson was scoring. Yeah, they moved him off of Henderson after Henderson scored about 10 straight points. When Henderson did his damage, Beal was trying to guard him.

I'm really tired of reading BS excuses for him. He's playing lousy basketball. That's nobody's fault but his own.


I looked at the video box score- Beal wasn't guarding Henderson at all (http://stats.nba.com/gameDetail.html?GameID=0021300508)

Granted, Beal didn't guard Eric Gordon or James Harden well but those players are tougher to stop.


Good eye Kany

Looks like he scored on everyone but Beal. Trevor A. Trevor B, Gortat, Temple. I didn't see Beal in the videos.

Sorry. How strange is it that we have a Trevor A and a Trevor B.
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Post#425 » by dlts20 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:59 am

the bad thing about the Beal situation is his minutes being limited and how he's handling it. If you listen to all his interviews he's talking about how he's way more aggressive now because his minutes are being restricted. Its almost like he's trying to get up the same number of attempts in 30mpg as he was in 40 so when he's out there he's just chucking it up because he knows he wont be out there as long as normal.

The bottom line is he's still a young kid and even though he seems mature, he is still immature in alot of ways. I still think Beal was the one that Nene was talking about after the Spurs game but everyone assumes it was Wall. I dont think it was Wall because at that point of the year Wall was extremely passive and was just racking up assist. Beal was the one who had a GOAT preseason and came out shooting non stop when the season started even though he wasnt hitting anything at 1st. Then after the games he was talking about how his teammates & coaches have to do a better job of getting him better looks. He seemed very stat conscious and that after his great Preseason he just knew he was going to be an All Star and a top 5 SG.

He's just got to settle down. Right now he has major talent but mentally isnt playing right which is dissapointing. Our lineup would no doubt be better with Webster & Ariza starting if he's going to play this way. Witt has to get more than that out of him. Severely dissapointed in our lack of development especially after seeing a rookie coach in Boston making Crawford look like a totally different player. Its embarrassing
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Post#426 » by hands11 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:18 am

dlts20 wrote:the bad thing about the Beal situation is his minutes being limited and how he's handling it. If you listen to all his interviews he's talking about how he's way more aggressive now because his minutes are being restricted. Its almost like he's trying to get up the same number of attempts in 30mpg as he was in 40 so when he's out there he's just chucking it up because he knows he wont be out there as long as normal.

The bottom line is he's still a young kid and even though he seems mature, he is still immature in alot of ways. I still think Beal was the one that Nene was talking about after the Spurs game but everyone assumes it was Wall. I dont think it was Wall because at that point of the year Wall was extremely passive and was just racking up assist. Beal was the one who had a GOAT preseason and came out shooting non stop when the season started even though he wasnt hitting anything at 1st. Then after the games he was talking about how his teammates & coaches have to do a better job of getting him better looks. He seemed very stat conscious and that after his great Preseason he just knew he was going to be an All Star and a top 5 SG.

He's just got to settle down. Right now he has major talent but mentally isnt playing right which is dissapointing. Our lineup would no doubt be better with Webster & Ariza starting if he's going to play this way. Witt has to get more than that out of him. Severely dissapointed in our lack of development especially after seeing a rookie coach in Boston making Crawford look like a totally different player. Its embarrassing


Thats what I was getting at dts. Not to punish him but to help him along. He never started his career off the bench. He started from the beginning. He actually played well off the bench last year when coming back from injury.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... y-AAU-Game

CCJ has to love this. Who is Randy talking about. Not Otto. He didn't play AAU and only played 3 minutes I don't thnk Ves or Kevin did. Besides, Kevin played great. Can't be talking to Nene, Webster, Gortat or Trevor A. Temple ? He only played 6 minutes and was 2-3.

That really only leaves Wall, Beal.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#427 » by tontoz » Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:38 am

Beals 2 pt percentage is 38.5. Jordan Crawford's 2 pt percentage is 46.7.


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Post#428 » by DCZards » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:14 am

tontoz wrote:Beals 2 pt percentage is 38.5. Jordan Crawford's 2 pt percentage is 46.7.


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So are you saying that J.C is a better player than Beal with a brighter future? Or are we really just looking at a snapshot of how each player is shooting after the first 3 months of the 2013-14 season?

FAIL suggests some sort of final grade on Beal vs. Crawford. Isn't it a little too soon to make that call?
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#429 » by nate33 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:22 pm

tontoz wrote:Beals 2 pt percentage is 38.5. Jordan Crawford's 2 pt percentage is 46.7.


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I'm actually kind of surprised to see that his 2pt percentage is that good. It seems worse.
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Post#430 » by tontoz » Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:30 pm

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tontoz wrote:Beals 2 pt percentage is 38.5. Jordan Crawford's 2 pt percentage is 46.7.


FAIL


So are you saying that J.C is a better player than Beal with a brighter future? Or are we really just looking at a snapshot of how each player is shooting after the first 3 months of the 2013-14 season?

FAIL suggests some sort of final grade on Beal vs. Crawford. Isn't it a little too soon to make that call?


Or are you just trying to make up a strawman? I made no mention of the future of either player.

Crawford's poor shot selection is well known yet he is still shooting 8.2% better than Beal from 2. That just highlights how poor Beal has been inside the arc. Jordan was never that bad.
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Post#431 » by Induveca » Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:37 pm

Beal is reminding me of Calbert Cheaney....not a good thing.

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Post#432 » by AFM » Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:51 pm

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tontoz wrote:Beals 2 pt percentage is 38.5. Jordan Crawford's 2 pt percentage is 46.7.


FAIL

I'm actually kind of surprised to see that his 2pt percentage is that good. It seems worse.

Well, that number includes dunks and layups, right?
What's his pull up jumper percentage? It's not 38%.
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Post#433 » by Dat2U » Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:53 pm

With Beal, I think it's partly the system (framework loosely based on Flip's system) & the fact that the coaching staff doesn't seem to be able to quantify & differentiate b/w a 20 ft jumper (long 2 pointer) and a 22-23 ft jumper (3 pointer).
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#434 » by nate33 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:56 pm

AFM wrote:
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tontoz wrote:Beals 2 pt percentage is 38.5. Jordan Crawford's 2 pt percentage is 46.7.


FAIL

I'm actually kind of surprised to see that his 2pt percentage is that good. It seems worse.

Well, that number includes dunks and layups, right?
What's his pull up jumper percentage? It's not 38%.

He shoots 35% from 15-22 feet
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#435 » by AFM » Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:35 pm

You're a liar.
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Post#436 » by verbal8 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:21 pm

Of the guys with higher 3pt% than 2pt% he is the only one shooting double digit 2 point attempts per game.

http://bkref.com/tiny/aRGhE

I think whether he can figure out how to score inside will determine if he is an NBA star.
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Post#437 » by jivelikenice » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:26 pm

I have no concern over Beal's talent level, just the bad habits he's developing. This preseason he looked like he was ready to be dominant, but teams seemed to take note of how he was playing and are forcing him away from his sweet spots.

Is shot attempts by location available for preseason? I'd love to compare that to where he's shooting in the regular seasos this yr.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#438 » by DCZards » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:50 pm

What's happening to Beal is what often happens when teams begin to see you as a threat, start game planning for you and ultimately force you into doing things that you are not very good at. And it's frustrating Double B. You can see it in his body language and you can see it in his facial expressions, especially in the latter part of the Houston game.

But I personally have no doubt that the kid is an extremely hard worker and will work his butt off, especially during the offseason, to become a better all around player. We might not see much of that improvement this season, because a lot of this work will take place during the offseason, but I'm convinced it will happen.

The thing that we all need to keep in mind is that at 20 Beal is still one of the youngest players in the NBA, and it's his third season that is more likely to be his breakout season, like it is for many NBA players who come into the league with a year or less of college ball.
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Post#439 » by jivelikenice » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:21 pm

^I'm convinced it will happen too. I just hope in the interim instead of forcing the issue, he makes the game easier on himself. Use picks better, move w/o the ball more efficiently, etc...Right now he's making the game harder than it has to be.
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Post#440 » by Kanyewest » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:25 pm

Induveca wrote:Beal is reminding me of Calbert Cheaney....not a good thing.

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Beal can shoot 3s. Cheaney couldn't. Cheaney inside the 2 point line was better.

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