2013-14 MVP Discussion Thread Pt III

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Who will be the 2013-14 MVP?

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Re: 2013-14 MVP Discussion Thread Pt III 

Post#421 » by JulesWinnfield » Fri Mar 14, 2014 12:47 am

QPR wrote:^ Are you Skip Bayless?


Durant shot .368 from the floor in the 4th quarter and OT in the series.

27.6% in the games 2 through 5 losses, all games that were up for grabs late. Led, tied or within 2 at some point in the 4th in all of them, and he was awful down the stretch of those very winnable games

If your memories of that series don't include the above aspect in some way, shape or form, I'm not the one with a bias. I like Kevin Durant. I said in the same post he deserves the MVP this year, he has been incredible. But lets not revise history completely on last years Memphis series. He was downright terrible late in some highly winnable games
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Re: 2013-14 MVP Discussion Thread Pt III 

Post#422 » by QPR » Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:01 am

I said that because Bayless seems to hold Durant to unrealistic standards in 4th quarters, particularly that series in which he pretty much did everything for three quarters in each game and you could forgive him for a bit of fatigue down the stretch, particularly given they didn't have Harden and Jackson/Lamb was barely established.

No argument he won't look back on that series fondly, but it's hardly worthy of regurgitating as if it somehow erases all the clutch moments he's had in playoff 4th quarters.
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Re: 2013-14 MVP Discussion Thread Pt III 

Post#423 » by James Rustles » Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:12 am

KD with 30 straight games of 25 points or more. Insane.
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Re: 2013-14 MVP Discussion Thread Pt III 

Post#424 » by O_6 » Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:31 am

We all know that Durant and LeBron are battling for the MVP right now. Durant probably has the slight lead but you can never count LeBron out because of the stretches he is capable of going on. LeBron is still the best player in the league even if KD has been a little bit better in this year's regular season. Great 1-2 race this year, one of the best ever.

But I'm fascinated by the 3-10 players in the MVP race. The best non-Bron/KD player in the league. I think Blake Griffin gets 3rd right now which is something I never thought was possible from him. His offensive improvements have been far beyond what I thought he was capable of and he is a legit superstar right now. The race from 3-10 is extremely tight which is why I mentioned it, but I think Blake is in 3rd right now.

The crazy thing about Blake in the 3rd spot is the fact that Chris Paul has been the 3rd best player in the league over the past couple of years. Paul finished 3rd in 2012 and 4th in 2013, but I think CP3 was considered better than Melo last year by most. He was the 3rd best player on the Olympics team to LeBron and KD. And before he got injured Paul was once again in the Top 5 of the MVP vote and probably heading for another 3rd place finish. So if Paul was the consensus #3 player in the league entering this season and Blake is the #3 player in the league at the moment, why aren't the LAC (best SRS in the NBA + hottest team since New Year's) considered the clear 3rd best team in the league? Feels like they should

The Bulls' 111 to 87 beatdown of the Rockets tonight also solidifies Noah's edge over Howard or Hibbert in the MVP race among Centers. The Rockets had 16 assists and 16 turnovers. The Bulls had 35 assists and 7 turnovers with Joakim Noah being the offensive creator! Another triple double level night for Noah, throwing up a 13/10/9. Throwing down a +28 assist to turnover margin against a great team with a Point-Center is just unheard of in the NBA. Amazing what Noah is doing and he absolutely deserves a Top 10 spot in the MVP race and arguably Top 5 at the moment.
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Re: 2013-14 MVP Discussion Thread Pt III 

Post#425 » by kingkirk » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:02 am

O_6 wrote:The Bulls' 111 to 87 beatdown of the Rockets tonight also solidifies Noah's edge over Howard or Hibbert in the MVP race among Centers. The Rockets had 16 assists and 16 turnovers. The Bulls had 35 assists and 7 turnovers with Joakim Noah being the offensive creator! Another triple double level night for Noah, throwing up a 13/10/9. Throwing down a +28 assist to turnover margin against a great team with a Point-Center is just unheard of in the NBA. Amazing what Noah is doing and he absolutely deserves a Top 10 spot in the MVP race and arguably Top 5 at the moment.


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Re: 2013-14 MVP Discussion Thread Pt III 

Post#426 » by Hoopz Afrik » Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:36 pm

At this point it's almost a lock for Kevin Durant and rightfully so. I definitely think that, aside from LeBron James, a few players should get some consideration for there body of work this season including Paul George, Blake Griffin, Joakim Noah, and LaMarcus Aldridge.
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Post#427 » by James Rustles » Sat Mar 15, 2014 2:13 am

Welp, after an awful performance like that from LeBron, might as well ship Durant the MVP. This race is all but over now.
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Post#428 » by Heat_Fan_87 » Sat Mar 15, 2014 2:35 am

race is over. kd got it. lbj gets the finals mvp
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Post#429 » by Michael Lucky » Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:20 am

Yeah it's hard to see KD losing the MVP at this point especially with lBJ four straight subpar performances. Also one should be worried about the Heat's play. Even if they do win a championship again it will likely involve a couple 7 game series again. They just aren't consistent at all.
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Re: 2013-14 MVP Discussion Thread Pt III 

Post#430 » by jc23 » Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:10 am

James Rustles wrote:Welp, after an awful performance like that from LeBron, might as well ship Durant the MVP. This race is all but over now.


until lebron has a big game and then everyone forgets the first 70 games and says its a close race again. The nba mvp award is so weird.
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Post#431 » by EArl » Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:26 am

Congrats to Kevin Durant the 2013-2014 MVP.
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Re: 2013-14 MVP Discussion Thread Pt III 

Post#432 » by RaptorNews » Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:42 am

Kevin has it in the bag.

Unless Lebron pulls out some earth-shattering performances against Houston, Indiana, AND Brooklyn to round out the year (and he really shouldnt be going all out in April) and the Thunder fall to third in the west or something, he dropped behind for good.
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Re: 2013-14 MVP Discussion Thread Pt III 

Post#433 » by DontH8TheBrody » Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:39 am

Can never really count Lebron out, but the MVP is all but KD's at this point.

LeBron had it really close 2 weeks ago, but maybe he was playing so hard that he over exerted himself. Can't see any result besides Durant earning his first MVP.

This will be good for the NBA, and even better if OKC can win this year. New Bird/Magic scenario.
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    SG: Roberson/Morrow/Lamb
    SF: Durant/Jones/Lamb
    PF: Ibaka/Collison/McGary
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Re: 2013-14 MVP Discussion Thread Pt III 

Post#434 » by hisairness » Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:47 pm

To me Lebron's play in the last few games erased any hype he had after that 61 pts game. Your team losing games while you underperform is MVP chances killer. Still, the media will not give up on making this a close race again and as soon as Bron makes one more push the hype will be back.

I won't state it's over but at this point I just don't see how Durant is not a clear leader, yet all these TV analysts still go with "it's too close to call" comments. It's unreal. Not even Jordan had this much support going his way, no way MJ loses MVP in 1997 if had this type of media backing.

One other thing I keep hearing and reading is the "voting fatigue" being a factor for James not winning. Nope, that's a cop-out, the other guy (up to this point) has clearly had a better season and is more deserving of the award.
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Re: 2013-14 MVP Discussion Thread Pt III 

Post#435 » by rich316 » Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:22 pm

The race is all but over. Durant is the heavy favorite right now. The door isn't totally shut yet, because you have to give Lebron the benefit of the doubt, but it's just a tiny crack. If/When KD wins it, it will be well-earned. It's been a while since I've seen such an electric scoring season. Lebron was just as dominant last year as KD was this year, but for pure scoring unstop-ability this KD year has been on par with peak Shaq. I was pulling for Lebron, but with four in the bag already he doesn't need any that aren't legit. I expect him to take it as motivation for the playoffs and for next season.
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Re: 2013-14 MVP Discussion Thread Pt III 

Post#436 » by NaturalThunder » Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:23 pm

LeBron's last 6 games:

20.2 PPG, 7.0 APG, 6.0 RPG, 2.5 SPG, 3.7 TOV, .452/.238/.710, and .514 TS%
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Re: 2013-14 MVP Discussion Thread Pt III 

Post#437 » by JulesWinnfield » Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:33 pm

NaturalThunder wrote:LeBron's last 6 games:

20.2 PPG, 7.0 APG, 6.0 RPG, 2.5 SPG, 3.7 TOV, .452/.238/.710, and .514 TS%


And they're 1-5. Its been a very rough stretch. Despite all the talk about super team and stacked cast, when Lebron isn't playing on an other worldly level that team is highly beatable, always has been.

And as bad as those numbers are by Lebron standards, they still get you selected to an all star game over a full season
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Post#438 » by barborous » Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:57 pm

JulesWinnfield wrote:
NaturalThunder wrote:LeBron's last 6 games:

20.2 PPG, 7.0 APG, 6.0 RPG, 2.5 SPG, 3.7 TOV, .452/.238/.710, and .514 TS%


And they're 1-5. Its been a very rough stretch. Despite all the talk about super team and stacked cast, when Lebron isn't playing on an other worldly level that team is highly beatable, always has been.

And as bad as those numbers are by Lebron standards, they still get you selected to an all star game over a full season


You're trying to make an agenda-driven point that doesn't really have anything to do with reality. The main reason for most of the losses in the Heat's down stretches is that they're are bad on defense this year, which is the fault of a lot of guys losing a step or not putting in as much effort/commitment defensively, including but not limited to LeBron.
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Re: 2013-14 MVP Discussion Thread Pt III 

Post#439 » by JulesWinnfield » Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:11 pm

barborous wrote:
JulesWinnfield wrote:
NaturalThunder wrote:LeBron's last 6 games:

20.2 PPG, 7.0 APG, 6.0 RPG, 2.5 SPG, 3.7 TOV, .452/.238/.710, and .514 TS%


And they're 1-5. Its been a very rough stretch. Despite all the talk about super team and stacked cast, when Lebron isn't playing on an other worldly level that team is highly beatable, always has been.

And as bad as those numbers are by Lebron standards, they still get you selected to an all star game over a full season


You're trying to make an agenda-driven point that doesn't really have anything to do with reality. The main reason for most of the losses in the Heat's down stretches is that they're are bad on defense this year, which is the fault of a lot of guys losing a step or not putting in as much effort/commitment defensively, including but not limited to LeBron.


Its not agenda driven at all, its simple reality. And im not arguing for Lebron as the MVP this year, its Durants award to lose. If you find an agenda in what i said, i think you're merely exposing your own agenda here. Simple projection, obvious as it gets

All im saying is his cast is not in any way, shape or form some "super team" or "stacked" no matter how many times casual fans want to repeat it. Zero size, awful on the boards (unprecedented level bad for a contender), forever destined to a defensive ceiling because of that lack of paint protection. Even when the Heat were clicking defensively in past years they were always a cut below the truly elite defensively because of this. Especially since they moved Bosh to Center

Rely on one guy to lead you in scoring, rebounding and assists, incredibly rare for any team let alone a team chasing a threepeat. Health questions abound with Wade (and even Bosh) during both title runs. The people who try and treat these titles like they are the equivalent of team USA gold medals are lost. They need him to play on an incredibly high level, this recent stretch is just another example
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Re: 2013-14 MVP Discussion Thread Pt III 

Post#440 » by James Rustles » Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:19 pm

JulesWinnfield wrote:
NaturalThunder wrote:LeBron's last 6 games:

20.2 PPG, 7.0 APG, 6.0 RPG, 2.5 SPG, 3.7 TOV, .452/.238/.710, and .514 TS%


And they're 1-5. Its been a very rough stretch. Despite all the talk about super team and stacked cast, when Lebron isn't playing on an other worldly level that team is highly beatable, always has been.

And as bad as those numbers are by Lebron standards, they still get you selected to an all star game over a full season


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