post game - that sucked

[Gravy]

Rough game from RJ and Bullock. Hopefully they can shake it off and get IQ and Burks back soon.

[god shammgod]

Thibs needs to be more creative offensively. Our crunch time offense needs to be more than "Julius, make a play"

This is our whole system. Julius, Derrick make a play. Mitch, Nerves block a shot.

It's why he only plays but so many guys.

I wonder what he learned during his sabbatical and watching the Warriors. It certainly wasn't motion offence.

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It's standard 101 Pro-ball. You put the ball in the hands of your best player and let him make a play. How many buzzer beaters did Kobe hit? A bunch. But how many did he miss? A bunch.

most competitive games end in your best player isoing

[Capn'O]

if Randle had the ball and got triple teamed you know he would’ve hit the open man too. rj folded

There was nobody open. The spacing fell apart. Nothing anyone could have done at that point except throw up a low percentage prayer. I would have rather Randle thrown it up, but we lost the game before RJ got the ball with 5 seconds left

when rj got the ball he should’ve gave it to Randle immediately and then cleared out to let Randle ISO instead of trying to run a pick and roll with Taj. Randle is right there calling for it. rj trying to force a pick and roll with no spacing is a dumb decision to me. and I would still live with a low percentage prayer with Randle over rj all day

IMO, he looked to pass first, didn't see an angle he liked, and missed a chance to get a little closer. He wasn't planning on taking the shot. When teams are playing clampdown defense like both were doing towards the end everything feels a little tighter.

He might have been able to get it to Randle but he was heavily guarded too. IMO, the right move for him was to immediately look for his opportunity.

[cooch2584]

Getting beat by that kid tucker is like a guy coming off the bench in baseball,has a 198 ba and he hits a homer to win the game. just happens

[Gravy]

This is our whole system. Julius, Derrick make a play. Mitch, Nerves block a shot.

It's why he only plays but so many guys.

I wonder what he learned during his sabbatical and watching the Warriors. It certainly wasn't motion offence.

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It's standard 101 Pro-ball. You put the ball in the hands of your best player and let him make a play. How many buzzer beaters did Kobe hit? A bunch. But how many did he miss? A bunch.

most competitive games end in your best player isoing

Also, the Lakers defense was excellent on that last play. Anyone with the ball would have had to make a tough shot, whether it was Randle, RJ, Rose, Frank etc...

[robillionaire]

talent horton tucker is 20 too. he can create for himself. quickley is 21. he can create for himself. i'm sorry but yes, we can talk about his ability to create for himself at age 20 if we're gonna give him the ball in big spots and give him the 2nd most shots on the team.

RJ cannot shoot from the top of the key. RJ cannot shoot off the dribble. We can post his fugazi 3pt% all we want but if it's not wide open and in the corner or corner-wing AND on a catch and shoot, he isn't going to make it. He is still extremely limited in the kind of shots he is capable of making. Giving him the ball at the top of the key like we did and expecting him to do something is suicide.

just to elaborate I checked stats and he is shooting 4 of 26 from the top of the key 15.4% and the league average is 35.1%

once he goes inside the 3 point line he is below average pretty much everywhere else including at the rim. the catch and shoot corner/wing 3 is basically the only place he's effective and he can't create that shot, he has to be found wide open

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/rj-barrett-shot-chart

[Knicksfan1992]

i think he should have gone to the rim. he'd have missed the layup but it would have been a better attempt than what happened. we didn't need a 3

He had no room to get to the rim The spacing was effed. No matter which side he went either Rose or Julius's man would have swiped and drummond would have been there to help. The problem was he panicked and backed up when the play broke down and lost sense of time and space. He either should have quickly gave it to Julius or rose when nothing was there or at the very lest tried a side step 3 from closer in once he realized he was going to have to shoot it.

It's ok he's 20 this is what he has to go through to learn. He's quite literally never been in that scenario in a game that felt like that. That was a playoff game for all intents and purposes.

After having had time to look at it, Rose either went to fast or Bullock didn't cut through fast enough to force KCP to stand on the weak side help. Because when Rose went KCP was still in the middle as a one man zone. Rose pitched it back out to RJ who had his man, Julius standing next to him, Taj's man and then when Rose came back up his man. Nobody was going to get a clean shot.

It wasn't RJ wrecking the play. Yes he butchered the shot but there was no spacing and the execution was botched from the outset.

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Yeah I think it's a mixture of Rose and Taj initiating the ball screen a tad bit too early and Bullock being way more casual than he should be with that much time left on the clock. Maybe Bullock was trying to lull KCP to sleep? IDK he was ultra casual for that moment lol

[3toheadmelo]

talent horton tucker is 20 too. he can create for himself. quickley is 21. he can create for himself. i'm sorry but yes, we can talk about his ability to create for himself at age 20 if we're gonna give him the ball in big spots and give him the 2nd most shots on the team.

team iq with another win.

[3toheadmelo]

i might just be all in on derozan. we really need another creator next to Randle. if derozan is the best we can get then go for it.

[DOT]

If we're being honest, Randle's turnover with 30 seconds left in OT, him holding the ball too long leading to a shot clock violation and missing the shot at the end at the end of the 4th were all just as big if not bigger than RJ missing the 3 in OT

Also not boxing out on Wesley Matthews

To ignore all this and say "it's entirely RJ's fault cause he missed the last shot" is lazy analysis at best, intentionally dishonest at worst.

[Knicksfan1992]

This is our whole system. Julius, Derrick make a play. Mitch, Nerves block a shot.

It's why he only plays but so many guys.

I wonder what he learned during his sabbatical and watching the Warriors. It certainly wasn't motion offence.

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It's standard 101 Pro-ball. You put the ball in the hands of your best player and let him make a play. How many buzzer beaters did Kobe hit? A bunch. But how many did he miss? A bunch.

most competitive games end in your best player isoing

Yeah people have this like Coach Carter fantasy that the coach draws up a magical play that gets you the perfect shot but 95 times out of 100 it doesn't work like that lol.

I think Thibs thought he had enough time to cause rotation on the defense to get Julius attacking a scrambling defense or if Rose could get his push shot off in P&R then he would live with it and hope Taj could get another opp if he missed. Timing was off and Rose shouldn't have picked up his dribble. Then gave it to RJ in a tough spot. Is what it is.

[god shammgod]

i might just be all in on derozan. we really need another creator next to Randle. if derozan is the best we can get then go for it.

look, we'd all rather it be beal or lavine but you can't just assume we're gonna get them.

[god shammgod]

If we're being honest, Randle's turnover with 30 seconds left in OT, him holding the ball too long leading to a shot clock violation and missing the shot at the end at the end of the 4th were all just as big if not bigger than RJ missing the 3 in OT

Also not boxing out on Wesley Matthews

To ignore all this and say "it's entirely RJ's fault cause he missed the last shot" is lazy analysis at best, intentionally dishonest at worst.

we probably lost the game because of rebounding like thibs said.

to be honest, rj shouldn't even be in that spot. he should be in the corner. that's his place for now. it's not even meant as an insult, it's just a fact.

[cgf]

i might just be all in on derozan. we really need another creator next to Randle. if derozan is the best we can get then go for it.

look, we'd all rather it be beal or lavine but you can't just assume we're gonna get them.

I'd rather take a swing at Lavine and give up assets to get someone like Sexton if we strikeout, than just lock ourselves into 3-4 years of Demar.

[prophet_of_rage]

Thibs needs to be more creative offensively. Our crunch time offense needs to be more than "Julius, make a play"

This is our whole system. Julius, Derrick make a play. Mitch, Nerves block a shot.

It's why he only plays but so many guys.

I wonder what he learned during his sabbatical and watching the Warriors. It certainly wasn't motion offence.

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It's standard 101 Pro-ball. You put the ball in the hands of your best player and let him make a play. How many buzzer beaters did Kobe hit? A bunch. But how many did he miss? A bunch.

The whole system is based on that, though.

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[Phish Tank]

People need to realize that the Lakers intentionally gameplanned to shut down RJ & Bullock. This effectively resulted in the Knicks playing 1v5 on offense with the starting lineup and 2v5 when Elf sat. That's really what it boiled down to.

And yes - Randle's carried us this season. But he's not just a walking bucket like Dame Lillard who can get his own easily. The Lakers gameplanned against him and adjusted in the 2nd half and OT. Those turnovers he had were the result of tight defense because no one else was even remotely open.

Again - this all boils down to a lack of talent in most regards, especially having THAT guy who can easily get his own when need be. The Knicks remarkably did well keeping AD at bay... just took a huge THT 3 and Wes putback to kill us.

[god shammgod]

i might just be all in on derozan. we really need another creator next to Randle. if derozan is the best we can get then go for it.

look, we'd all rather it be beal or lavine but you can't just assume we're gonna get them.

I'd rather take a swing at Lavine and then give up assets to get someone like Sexton if we strikeout, than just lock ourselves into 3-4 years of Demar.

you're naming people who are not even necessarily on the market tho

[GONYK]

It's standard 101 Pro-ball. You put the ball in the hands of your best player and let him make a play. How many buzzer beaters did Kobe hit? A bunch. But how many did he miss? A bunch.

most competitive games end in your best player isoing

Yeah people have this like Coach Carter fantasy that the coach draws up a magical play that gets you the perfect shot but 95 times out of 100 it doesn't work like that lol.

I think Thibs thought he had enough time to cause rotation on the defense to get Julius attacking a scrambling defense or if Rose could get his push shot off in P&R then he would live with it and hope Taj could get another opp if he missed. Timing was off and Rose shouldn't have picked up his dribble. Then gave it to RJ in a tough spot. Is what it is.

Nobody has a Coach Carter fantasy.

I'm not talking about the final shot of the game. I'm talking about the final 5 minutes of the game. There is nothing but ISOing Randle or Derrick.

That is way too long of a stretch to go without generating an intentional set.

[cgf]

look, we'd all rather it be beal or lavine but you can't just assume we're gonna get them.

I'd rather take a swing at Lavine and then give up assets to get someone like Sexton if we strikeout, than just lock ourselves into 3-4 years of Demar.

you're naming people who are not even necessarily on the market tho

Someone like Sexton is always available for trade. Maybe not him specifically, but someone like him will be available.

And I'd rather roll that die than get stuck with Demar.

[DOT]

If we're being honest, Randle's turnover with 30 seconds left in OT, him holding the ball too long leading to a shot clock violation and missing the shot at the end at the end of the 4th were all just as big if not bigger than RJ missing the 3 in OT

Also not boxing out on Wesley Matthews

To ignore all this and say "it's entirely RJ's fault cause he missed the last shot" is lazy analysis at best, intentionally dishonest at worst.

we probably lost the game because of rebounding like thibs said.

to be honest, rj shouldn't even be in that spot. he should be in the corner. that's his place for now. it's not even meant as an insult, it's just a fact.

Yeah, I got no problem saying right now, RJ really isn't much more than 3-D. His shot creation off the dribble is weak at best, and he's not a good finisher around the rim

But he has potential to be a creator off the wing, and a lot of the better wing scorers in the league right now were only 3-D guys at 20. Long as people aren't saying that's all he'll ever be, it shouldn't be taken as an insult, cause at least he has a solid base to build his game around

I just don't like when we lose by 1 possession and the entire narrative is who missed the last shot, especially in OT, cause in a game that close, there's tons of things that could've swayed the score by enough to win us the game, not just missing the last shot.