Waived players tracking thread

[HomoSapien]

If they get no one then yes I would give the PG job to Coby White, move Ayo to the 6th man and maybe alter the rotation so Lavine and DeRozan play with Ayo, Drummond and DJJ. Caruso blending in with White, PWIll and Vuc.

I would also start Coby. He’s show more than Ayo, IMO. We didn’t trade Coby, so let’s spend the rest of the season evaluating if this 23-year-old former lottery pick has expanded his skillset enough to be a starting point guard. His defense and ball-handling have significantly improved, he’s shown a knack of hitting clutch shots, and he’s one of the few players on this roster capable of being a volume three-point shooter.

At this point I want to tank, but I’d rather pick up some insignificant wins on the back of a young guy who could be here for many years than on the backs of John Wall or Beverly.

[Red8911]

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I hope my membership in the Russell Westbrook Fan Club is transferable to the John Wall Fan Club. Or the next guy in line.

I really thought RW would see that he's not going to turn the Clippers into champions, and he's going to take the blame when they don't make the conference finals. The Bulls made the most sense as a showcase for his next contract.

But maybe they'll say the right things to John Wall. What's the point with Beverly? If he got bought out I'd rather look at RJ Hampton who at the very least offers potential.

If they get no one then yes I would give the PG job to Coby White, move Ayo to the 6th man and maybe alter the rotation so Lavine and DeRozan play with Ayo, Drummond and DJJ. Caruso blending in with White, PWIll and Vuc.

Either one would be fine both would be better PGs than what we currently have but I would prefer Beverley over Wall.

Bev doesn’t help with shooting or scoring but he would bring defense, toughness, and leadership which are also needed.We all know what he can do, he’s a dog, this team needs a dog who can get under opponents skin and even light some fire on teammates. Chicago guy as well, would be fun.

John Wall would help with scoring and can make passes to assist his teammates. Problem with him is he isn’t the same, defensively won’t be good and his ego can hurt the team more if he’s not in control by Billy. Clippers chose to get rid of him and left a hole at PG rather than keep him. For a team that’s contending that’s not a good look for Wall. Again either way whoever they get is temporary anyway to just try to finish the season strong.

[Muzbar]

Read on Twitter

That guy is about as reliable as me as a reputable source.

Maybe my sources were better!?

He'll go to the Clippers for sure.

[MrSparkle]

If they get no one then yes I would give the PG job to Coby White, move Ayo to the 6th man and maybe alter the rotation so Lavine and DeRozan play with Ayo, Drummond and DJJ. Caruso blending in with White, PWIll and Vuc.

I would also start Coby. He’s show more than Ayo, IMO. We didn’t trade Coby, so let’s spend the rest of the season evaluating if this 23-year-old former lottery pick has expanded his skillset enough to be a starting point guard. His defense and ball-handling have significantly improved, he’s shown a knack of hitting clutch shots, and he’s one of the few players on this roster capable of being a volume three-point shooter.

At this point I want to tank, but I’d rather pick up some insignificant wins on the back of a young guy who could be here for many years than on the backs of John Wall or Beverly.

I still don't know how you could do worse than Coby, given our current parts. If he goes to 16 FGAs per game, it's hard to imagine he'll give us less than 16 PPG, with a few hot 20-25 nights, which would be a big upgrade over the single-digit Caruso/Ayo production.

I just hate that he's getting this opportunity in the last 20 games of his contract year. Talk about a tight leash, this season.

[HomoSapien]

If they get no one then yes I would give the PG job to Coby White, move Ayo to the 6th man and maybe alter the rotation so Lavine and DeRozan play with Ayo, Drummond and DJJ. Caruso blending in with White, PWIll and Vuc.

I would also start Coby. He’s show more than Ayo, IMO. We didn’t trade Coby, so let’s spend the rest of the season evaluating if this 23-year-old former lottery pick has expanded his skillset enough to be a starting point guard. His defense and ball-handling have significantly improved, he’s shown a knack of hitting clutch shots, and he’s one of the few players on this roster capable of being a volume three-point shooter.

At this point I want to tank, but I’d rather pick up some insignificant wins on the back of a young guy who could be here for many years than on the backs of John Wall or Beverly.

I still don't know how you could do worse than Coby, given our current parts. If he goes to 16 FGAs per game, it's hard to imagine he'll give us less than 16 PPG, with a few hot 20-25 nights, which would be a big upgrade over the single-digit Caruso/Ayo production.

I just hate that he's getting this opportunity in the last 20 games of his contract year. Talk about a tight leash, this season.

Definitely agreed that he’ll produce. As a 20-year-old he averaged 15 and 5 as a starter. Pretty impressive, considering his age. It obviously didn’t result in wins, but the game has started slowing down for him now. If he contributes to the tank, great. If he’s improved and we win because of that, then that’s not a bad thing to discover to close out the season.

[Wingy]

The info is Orlando Magics pick. End of story. You might not like it but it’s the truth.

Our odds of keeping the pick are currently greater than our odds of making the playoffs. So you try to optimize the former if you're not a dumb franchise. Unfortunately, I don't think Chicago can remove the "dumb" from that last sentence.

They’re only 2 games away from the play in with 23 games left. How is keeping the pick better odds? Lol. If you prefer the pick that’s one thing but don’t tell me it’s greater odds.

No matter what you and I say the bulls will determine whether they make the playoffs or not. As of now I doubt they will tank on purpose, there’s too much talent and too many veterans here to do that.They are going to fight to get in.

Ofcourse if they continue to suck they can miss the playoffs even by trying but I think they are too good to miss out. If DeRozan especially gets back to normal he by himself could carry them to wins. Depends on how bad the injury is and if he’s pain free.

Really?

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=odds+to+make+nba+playoffs

12.1%
http://powerrankingsguru.com/nba/playoff-odds.php

13%
http://www.playoffstatus.com/nba/nbapostseasonprob.html

+400 - 425 (some betting calculator says this translates to 19 - 20%)
https://www.thelines.com/odds/nba-playoffs/

Current Bulls odds to retain their pick: 32%
https://www.tankathon.com/

32 > 19-20 > 13 > 12

[kodo]

I still don't know how you could do worse than Coby, given our current parts. If he goes to 16 FGAs per game, it's hard to imagine he'll give us less than 16 PPG, with a few hot 20-25 nights, which would be a big upgrade over the single-digit Caruso/Ayo production.

I just hate that he's getting this opportunity in the last 20 games of his contract year. Talk about a tight leash, this season.

He is to date, worse than Ayo offensively.
Coby: 14.2 points per 36 min, 54.8% TS
Ayo : 12.1 points per 36 min, 58.0% TS

Starting Coby means more minutes with Derozan/Lavine, which means less shots. Ayo from the bench means less minutes with Derozan/Lavine, more shots. The 1 basket per 36 minutes will shift in Ayo's favor. And Ayo is far more efficient. Assists are also in Ayo's favor.

Defense is also opposite ends of the NBA, with Ayo being one of the best on ball defenders in the league. But if we're trying to lose games at this point, why not. And I think everyone wants to lose out at this point (I think?)

[MrSparkle]

I still don't know how you could do worse than Coby, given our current parts. If he goes to 16 FGAs per game, it's hard to imagine he'll give us less than 16 PPG, with a few hot 20-25 nights, which would be a big upgrade over the single-digit Caruso/Ayo production.

I just hate that he's getting this opportunity in the last 20 games of his contract year. Talk about a tight leash, this season.

He is to date, worse than Ayo offensively.
Coby: 14.2 points per 36 min, 54.8% TS
Ayo : 12.1 points per 36 min, 58.0% TS

Starting Coby means more minutes with Derozan/Lavine, which means less shots. Ayo from the bench means less minutes with Derozan/Lavine, more shots. The 1 basket per 36 minutes will shift in Ayo's favor. And Ayo is far more efficient. Assists are also in Ayo's favor.

Defense is also opposite ends of the NBA, with Ayo being one of the best on ball defenders in the league. But if we're trying to lose games at this point, why not. And I think everyone wants to lose out at this point (I think?)

Coby would beat Ayo in a 3P contest. It'd be absurd if in a larger sample size, Ayo won.

It's on Billy to get his best 3P shooters the most shots. He hasn't been doing that, and that's been a big gripe of mine.

[HomoSapien]

If we’re looking at career stats, Coby is the better scorer, three-point shooter (both in percentages and volume), FT%, and actually has a slightly higher assist rate. Ayo’s been the better defender, but Coby’s been closing that gap all-season long. Ayo’s definitely a higher-percentage shooter overall, but that’s mostly because he’s conservative with his shot attempts. Don’t get me wrong, that’s not a bad thing. You want guys that know their limitations and take smart shots, but the fact is this lineup isn’t working.

As we get to the “who cares” portion of the season, why not do some experimenting?

[LateNight]

I still don't know how you could do worse than Coby, given our current parts. If he goes to 16 FGAs per game, it's hard to imagine he'll give us less than 16 PPG, with a few hot 20-25 nights, which would be a big upgrade over the single-digit Caruso/Ayo production.

I just hate that he's getting this opportunity in the last 20 games of his contract year. Talk about a tight leash, this season.

He is to date, worse than Ayo offensively.
Coby: 14.2 points per 36 min, 54.8% TS
Ayo : 12.1 points per 36 min, 58.0% TS

Starting Coby means more minutes with Derozan/Lavine, which means less shots. Ayo from the bench means less minutes with Derozan/Lavine, more shots. The 1 basket per 36 minutes will shift in Ayo's favor. And Ayo is far more efficient. Assists are also in Ayo's favor.

Defense is also opposite ends of the NBA, with Ayo being one of the best on ball defenders in the league. But if we're trying to lose games at this point, why not. And I think everyone wants to lose out at this point (I think?)

But playing with demar / Zach also means you’re more likely to be open. It’s worth comparing who was taking more contested shots - that could work against Ayo off the bench

[MrSparkle]

At the end of the day, Coby/Pat/Ayo were not ready to contribute. Miscalculation or not, none of them made a strong impression this season. All seemed to take 2 steps forward and 3 steps back. Hopefully there's a pay-off some day in a Bulls uniform or in a summer trade (doubt it - low value), but this season was not it.

My mixed sentiment with this stage, is often a young player gets the keys in garbage stretch of a season (what looks to be a tank or fruit-less play-in run), and they'll play above their skills. We saw it countless times with the post-99 Bulls.

Whatever happens in the next month, IMO they are not ready (and maybe never will be ready, to start games), and 1 off-season isn't going to change that. So I'm glad Russ saved the Bulls and Billy from the 5-guard plan.

[League Circles]

I'm not sure in my decades as a Bulls fan if I have ever seen a player get a more extended undeserved entitlement tryout than Ayo. I do truly like him and think that he say nice utility player to have on a roster but you can make a rather strong argument that there are about half a dozen guys on this roster who should be playing the one position over him.

[League Circles]

If we’re looking at career stats, Coby is the better scorer, three-point shooter (both in percentages and volume), FT%, and actually has a slightly higher assist rate. Ayo’s been the better defender, but Coby’s been closing that gap all-season long. Ayo’s definitely a higher-percentage shooter overall, but that’s mostly because he’s conservative with his shot attempts. Don’t get me wrong, that’s not a bad thing. You want guys that know their limitations and take smart shots, but the fact is this lineup isn’t working.

As we get to the “who cares” portion of the season, why not do some experimenting?

I feel like experimenting with Coby getting more minutes is more likely to hurt us than help us. I think there's a pretty big chance that it would just increase the contract offers he may receive.

I think Caruso should now start, cause his value is what we want to pump up IMO.

[MikeDC]

If we’re looking at career stats, Coby is the better scorer, three-point shooter (both in percentages and volume), FT%, and actually has a slightly higher assist rate. Ayo’s been the better defender, but Coby’s been closing that gap all-season long. Ayo’s definitely a higher-percentage shooter overall, but that’s mostly because he’s conservative with his shot attempts. Don’t get me wrong, that’s not a bad thing. You want guys that know their limitations and take smart shots, but the fact is this lineup isn’t working.

As we get to the “who cares” portion of the season, why not do some experimenting?

I feel like experimenting with Coby getting more minutes is more likely to hurt us than help us. I think there's a pretty big chance that it would just increase the contract offers he may receive.

I think Caruso should now start, cause his value is what we want to pump up IMO.

This is a classic Bulls way to think. Let's tank the guy's value, then sign him for a discount. It's why smart people get the hell away from losers.

Let's just do the good straighforward good karma, right thing to do. Play the guys who are best, and pay them what they deserve if they produce. If they don't then let them go. Enough with the Wile E. Coyote schemes.

[Wingy]

If we’re looking at career stats, Coby is the better scorer, three-point shooter (both in percentages and volume), FT%, and actually has a slightly higher assist rate. Ayo’s been the better defender, but Coby’s been closing that gap all-season long. Ayo’s definitely a higher-percentage shooter overall, but that’s mostly because he’s conservative with his shot attempts. Don’t get me wrong, that’s not a bad thing. You want guys that know their limitations and take smart shots, but the fact is this lineup isn’t working.

As we get to the “who cares” portion of the season, why not do some experimenting?

I feel like experimenting with Coby getting more minutes is more likely to hurt us than help us. I think there's a pretty big chance that it would just increase the contract offers he may receive.

I think Caruso should now start, cause his value is what we want to pump up IMO.

This is a classic Bulls way to think. Let's tank the guy's value, then sign him for a discount. It's why smart people get the hell away from losers.

Let's just do the good straighforward good karma, right thing to do. Play the guys who are best, and pay them what they deserve if they produce. If they don't then let them go. Enough with the Wile E. Coyote schemes.

I’ve held this same conspiracy sorta theory, but let’s be honest. We don’t make very good choices. From ownership to FO to coach.

The fact it took half the team being hurt to get Coby his first look as a starter during the enormous bleck sandwich that is this season, is yet another example of our ongoing incompetence.

[bad knees]

I'm not sure in my decades as a Bulls fan if I have ever seen a player get a more extended undeserved entitlement tryout than Ayo. I do truly like him and think that he say nice utility player to have on a roster but you can make a rather strong argument that there are about half a dozen guys on this roster who should be playing the one position over him.

Have you noticed who we’ve been starting at PF over the last three years?

[StunnerKO]

Cut Dragic and Bradley to make room for Bev and one of


Aldridge
Boogie
Ed Davis
Ibaka
WCS
Whiteside
Melo (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Ariza
Harkless
Bembry ( if healthy)
Hood
Stanley Johnson
Josh Jackson
Snell
Jay Scrubb

[League Circles]

If we’re looking at career stats, Coby is the better scorer, three-point shooter (both in percentages and volume), FT%, and actually has a slightly higher assist rate. Ayo’s been the better defender, but Coby’s been closing that gap all-season long. Ayo’s definitely a higher-percentage shooter overall, but that’s mostly because he’s conservative with his shot attempts. Don’t get me wrong, that’s not a bad thing. You want guys that know their limitations and take smart shots, but the fact is this lineup isn’t working.

As we get to the “who cares” portion of the season, why not do some experimenting?

I feel like experimenting with Coby getting more minutes is more likely to hurt us than help us. I think there's a pretty big chance that it would just increase the contract offers he may receive.

I think Caruso should now start, cause his value is what we want to pump up IMO.

This is a classic Bulls way to think. Let's tank the guy's value, then sign him for a discount. It's why smart people get the hell away from losers.

Let's just do the good straighforward good karma, right thing to do. Play the guys who are best, and pay them what they deserve if they produce. If they don't then let them go. Enough with the Wile E. Coyote schemes.

I never said I wanted to tank his value or underplay him. I don't think he stands out among all the guys competing for minutes. No particular reason to prioritize him right now considering his contract status. It's also really not at all as simple as "pay them what they deserve".

[League Circles]

I'm not sure in my decades as a Bulls fan if I have ever seen a player get a more extended undeserved entitlement tryout than Ayo. I do truly like him and think that he say nice utility player to have on a roster but you can make a rather strong argument that there are about half a dozen guys on this roster who should be playing the one position over him.

Have you noticed who we’ve been starting at PF over the last three years?

Yeah, he's probably a better player than Ayo, but he has much less quality competition at his position, and more athletic potential. I think you can make a strong argument that Dragic, Caruso, Zach and Coby would all play the 1 spot better than DJJ plays the 4 spot.

I'm not saying Ayo didn't deserve his opportunity. He did, and he kinda failed pretty badly at it, which should be expected, because he was not a high valued prospect. He's a smart, NBA ready older player who can do everything well enough to not hurt you. I'd like him on our team for many years, but not relied on to start or ideally even be a primary backup.

[League Circles]

If they get no one then yes I would give the PG job to Coby White, move Ayo to the 6th man and maybe alter the rotation so Lavine and DeRozan play with Ayo, Drummond and DJJ. Caruso blending in with White, PWIll and Vuc.

I would also start Coby. He’s show more than Ayo, IMO. We didn’t trade Coby, so let’s spend the rest of the season evaluating if this 23-year-old former lottery pick has expanded his skillset enough to be a starting point guard. His defense and ball-handling have significantly improved, he’s shown a knack of hitting clutch shots, and he’s one of the few players on this roster capable of being a volume three-point shooter.

At this point I want to tank, but I’d rather pick up some insignificant wins on the back of a young guy who could be here for many years than on the backs of John Wall or Beverly.

I really don't think Coby is going to be a PG in this league, but if he finishes the year strong, he could give us more flexibility to trade Zach, which I think we absolutely have to explore.