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Re: PG: Awful gameplan, not prepared, not 1 good performance 

Post#421 » by CyKnickal » Wed May 28, 2025 6:17 am

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Im Coming Home wrote:You know what the worst part is for me?

Realizing Brunson isn't the seemingly perfect player who would always make the right play and never let us lose big games

He seemed when he first came here he could do no wrong, and I don't mean that in a rose tinted glasses kinda way, I mean it literally, like when he first got here he just always seemed to come up big at the most important times, or if he didn't we always had some way to logically excuse him for it

But now? I really don't know man, he's my favorite Knick of the last 20+ years, he took a huge pay cut, etc but man.. we've routinely **** the bed against teams we could/should beat or there's an opportunity to come up big and we never capitalize on the series.

Started with the Heat series years ago, then last year I know injuries but still we had a shot and blew it, now this year, Pacers are not more talented on paper, they have B level stars, we have 2 A level starts IMO, yet we come up short again.

I'm sad because I had such assurance in my mind that Brunson would lead us to the promise land if we gave him a talented roster around him, but once again he comes up short as the leader and loses to a clown like Haliburton.

It's just disappointing man, I want to believe in him but year after year I'm realizing he is a normal player with flaws and stuff, I thought his life long of growing up with basketball and how level headed he is would assure us he would always come up big and never let stuff like this happen to the team, but he doesn't prevent it, it keeps happening now every year ends up disappointment and feeling like "we should have beaten that team they weren't better than us" it's never "damn that team just was so much better than us that we lost" were losing series we should win.


I'm not too hard on Brunson right now. Indy's a nightmare matchup for him and he's not getting much guidance from his coach.

Thibs and Brunson were great against Boston. This was a KAT series and only once have we just spammed his actions. This was a length/speed series and only once did we stick with length/speed.

The troubling thing is... OKC is like Indy but with better players. If we aren't beating Indy we damn sure weren't beating OKC.

I don't lay the blame fully on Brunson I just used to feel like "no way would Brunson let this happen to us" in terms of losing a series to a team that's nearly equal talent wise(in fact I think Knicks are more talented even if the series doesn't show it, individually we have more talent)

It's kinda like thinking he was Jordan-like mentality wise, and he seemed like it at first, always did the right thing, played right, played smart...

Now we see it's not a flawless player, he makes dumb mistakes, gets killed on defense, and does allow us to lose series that we should win..

I thought him growing up around basketball and how cool and collected he seemed it meant he would ALWAYS show up when it mattered most, but we've lost multiple series against teams we "should beat" prior to the series in his Knicks tenure now. And it's just disappointing to realize he's human, he's not as special as he seemed to be.

It just hurts me to realize that.


Yeah, I love the kid and his moxie too but he's been very dissapointing this series. I thought he was more cerebral than what he's shown in this series.

If I was the point guard, I would be foaming at the mouth after what Kat did last game to get him going this game. Spam the one teammate I have that's averaging 30 **** points per game against them this entire season, but he just does the same thing over and over and over again. I knew he was a scoring point guard, but I thought he was smart enough to pull out the passing when the game required it. I've seen him have double digit assist games after falling short trying to carry the team by himself.

He lost something this playoffs....and it might have to do with his head...might have gotten a little too big for him, and it doesn't help that we have a coach that plays favorites. I was fully expecting him to have 25 point 10+ assists the rest of the way after his blunder in game one, but he didn't. That surprised me.

Bring in a coach that has no player agendas, no personal favorites, and run it back. I think we'll be fine with just two tweaks....new coach, because obviously this one won't change, as he proved again tonight, and cutting Hart's role to that of the role player that he is, but is treated and given minutes and the long leash of a superstar.

It will be nauseating to watch this team come back with this guy and play the same way again. Remember those beautiful post ups Kat was doing when he was feeling this team out, giving dimes to cutters, bombing threes, cutting and driving, before Thibs reminded him that he didn't go to Villanova and needed to simmer down...lets bring in somebody who can utilize him for that instead of this guy who has one style....letting his point guard pound the rock....this is why JB's stats are inflated.

Bring in somebody who will make this Kat's team, he is our best player now. It bothers me to say this but, JB is the reason he looks bad. Give this guy to Haliburton, put him on the Pacers, and he would be a nuclear weapon, somebody who would actually get him the ball while he's on flames instead of his point guard "reading and reacting" and giving his college buddies the shots because the defense DECIDED to leave them open.

Remember when Neismith got hot, and his point guard went to him again...and again...and again....and again....and again. Why can't we do that? Because the game tells us what to do.

No you stupid ****, that's the defense telling you what to do, and you fall for it. **** that, I say no more to accidental basketball.
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Re: PG: Awful gameplan, not prepared, not 1 good performance 

Post#422 » by Chanel Bomber » Wed May 28, 2025 6:20 am

You can legitimately question whether any of our players can start on a championship-winning team, especially at their current level. We only have one-way players.

Whereas I can easily see Haliburton, Nembhard, Nesmith and Siakam starting on a title team.

The series is not over yet, though after the lineup change I'm not confident the team has the belief in itself to reverse the course of the series.

But Indiana have a better roster and it starts with their best player being better than ours. Their squad just has fewer weaknesses, while ours are getting exposed.
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Re: PG: Awful gameplan, not prepared, not 1 good performance 

Post#423 » by SunsRback4Good » Wed May 28, 2025 6:23 am

My uncle always told me “ it’s not over until the fat lady sings” well, the fat lady is quiet and not in a singing mood. The Knicks just need to win next game at home, then force a game 6 winning in Indiana and come home to finish off the series. It’s so easy even a caveman can do it.
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Re: PG: Awful gameplan, not prepared, not 1 good performance 

Post#424 » by K_ick_God » Wed May 28, 2025 6:26 am

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I'm not too hard on Brunson right now. Indy's a nightmare matchup for him and he's not getting much guidance from his coach.

Thibs and Brunson were great against Boston. This was a KAT series and only once have we just spammed his actions. This was a length/speed series and only once did we stick with length/speed.

The troubling thing is... OKC is like Indy but with better players. If we aren't beating Indy we damn sure weren't beating OKC.

I don't lay the blame fully on Brunson I just used to feel like "no way would Brunson let this happen to us" in terms of losing a series to a team that's nearly equal talent wise(in fact I think Knicks are more talented even if the series doesn't show it, individually we have more talent)

It's kinda like thinking he was Jordan-like mentality wise, and he seemed like it at first, always did the right thing, played right, played smart...

Now we see it's not a flawless player, he makes dumb mistakes, gets killed on defense, and does allow us to lose series that we should win..

I thought him growing up around basketball and how cool and collected he seemed it meant he would ALWAYS show up when it mattered most, but we've lost multiple series against teams we "should beat" prior to the series in his Knicks tenure now. And it's just disappointing to realize he's human, he's not as special as he seemed to be.

It just hurts me to realize that.


Yeah, I love the kid and his moxie too but he's been very dissapointing this series. I thought he was more cerebral than what he's shown in this series.

If I was the point guard, I would be foaming at the mouth after what Kat did last game to get him going this game. Spam the one teammate I have that's averaging 30 **** points per game against them this entire season, but he just does the same thing over and over and over again. I knew he was a scoring point guard, but I thought he was smart enough to pull out the passing when the game required it. I've seen him have double digit assist games after falling short trying to carry the team by himself.

He lost something this playoffs....and it might have to do with his head...might have gotten a little too big for him, and it doesn't help that we have a coach that plays favorites. I was fully expecting him to have 25 point 10+ assists the rest of the way after his blunder in game one, but he didn't. That surprised me.

Bring in a coach that has no player agendas, no personal favorites, and run it back. I think we'll be fine with just two tweaks....new coach, because obviously this one won't change, as he proved again tonight, and cutting Hart's role to that of the role player that he is, but is treated and given minutes and the long leash of a superstar.

It will be nauseating to watch this team come back with this guy and play the same way again. Remember those beautiful post ups Kat was doing when he was feeling this team out, giving dimes to cutters, bombing threes, cutting and driving, before Thibs reminded him that he didn't go to Villanova and needed to simmer down...lets bring in somebody who can utilize him for that instead of this guy who has one style....letting his point guard pound the rock....this is why JB's stats are inflated.

Bring in somebody who will make this Kat's team, he is our best player now. It bothers me to say this but, JB is the reason he looks bad. Give this guy to Haliburton, put him on the Pacers, and he would be a nuclear weapon, somebody who would actually get him the ball while he's on flames instead of his point guard "reading and reacting" and giving his college buddies the shots because the defense DECIDED to leave them open.

I say no more to accidental basketball.


JB literally never passes to him at all

At least Thibs did sporadically let KAT get some isos

Brunson just looking like he thinks anybody else will take his shine. Either JB wins the game or the Knicks lose and Thibs is fine with that — he fully endorses it in fact

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Re: PG: Awful gameplan, not prepared, not 1 good performance 

Post#425 » by K_ick_God » Wed May 28, 2025 6:37 am

Think about it — even after KAT was dominating, JB came into G3 and took a couple shots in a row

It’s totally ingrained and not gonna change no matter what — and that’s def coaching too

JB is in NY to be the man — that’s what all signs point to — and even very strong, recent evidence of a better way to get the win is not ever, amazingly but not so amazingly when you learn about the stupidity of people high up, gonna mean crap to these two

Annnnnnd g‘night
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Post#426 » by Chanel Bomber » Wed May 28, 2025 6:43 am

K_ick_God wrote:Think about it — even after KAT was dominating, JB came into G3 and took a couple shots in a row

It’s totally ingrained and not gonna change no matter what — and that’s def coaching too

JB is in NY to be the man — that’s what all signs point to — and even very strong, recent evidence of a better way to get the win is not ever, amazingly but not so amazingly when you learn about the stupidity of people high up, gonna mean crap to these two

Annnnnnd g‘night

You saw it in one of the very first possessions of the game. Brunson drive, defense collapse, KAT wide open on the wing, but Brunson opts to go deeper and hit Mikal at the top of the key. Mikal made the shot but Brunson chose a much more difficult/dangerous pass to feed a worse 3-point shooter than his All-Star teammate.

Of course you can argue that he was trying to get his other teammate going but you don't f around like that in this context imo. It's the semifinals.
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Re: PG: Awful gameplan, not prepared, not 1 good performance 

Post#427 » by Worst_to_First » Wed May 28, 2025 6:47 am

Chanel Bomber wrote:You can legitimately question whether any of our players can start on a championship-winning team, especially at their current level. We only have one-way players.

Whereas I can easily see Haliburton, Nembhard, Nesmith and Siakam starting on a title team.

The series is not over yet, though after the lineup change I'm not confident the team has the belief in itself to reverse the course of the series.

But Indiana have a better roster and it starts with their best player being better than ours. Their squad just has fewer weaknesses, while ours are getting exposed.


We are losing because we are not treating our best player (at least for the first 3.5 quarters) like one. Yes, KAT is our best player. IDGAF.
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Post#428 » by Chanel Bomber » Wed May 28, 2025 6:49 am

Towns is our best player in this series and the closest thing we have to a two-way star, which is scary to say, because we know he's a weak defender.

Brunson is obviously a much better shot creator, but he's one of the worst defenders in the NBA and a liability at this level of competition. He's much worse than Towns defensively, and a non-entity on defense against this Indiana team - we might as well be playing 4v5. The same would be happening against OKC. It's deflating to see it exposed to that degree.

OG and Mikal give you the illusion that they may provide some additional shot creation but the outcome is never satisfactory. OG is just a clumsy player who makes questionable decisions when asked to create. Mikal plays soft as he doesn't want to go to the free throw line and his jumpshot has completely left him. But they're not reliable 3-point shooter either. So what are they? They play solid defense, and I am thankful for that as a fan, but it's sobering how inefficient they have been in the playoffs.
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Re: PG: Awful gameplan, not prepared, not 1 good performance 

Post#429 » by Chanel Bomber » Wed May 28, 2025 6:54 am

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Chanel Bomber wrote:You can legitimately question whether any of our players can start on a championship-winning team, especially at their current level. We only have one-way players.

Whereas I can easily see Haliburton, Nembhard, Nesmith and Siakam starting on a title team.

The series is not over yet, though after the lineup change I'm not confident the team has the belief in itself to reverse the course of the series.

But Indiana have a better roster and it starts with their best player being better than ours. Their squad just has fewer weaknesses, while ours are getting exposed.


We are losing because we are not treating our best player (at least for the first 3.5 quarters) like one. Yes, KAT is our best player. IDGAF.

I agree. He's the only uber-efficient scorer on the team. Our primary objective offensively should be to find him as a finisher, be it in the paint or a the 3-point line.

But I think a few players on the roster have ambitions (or delusions) as offensive players and I think there's a bit of a political situation going on, where everybody's fed the same around Brunson so to keep the peace in the locker room.
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Post#430 » by Guano » Wed May 28, 2025 6:55 am

Gun to my head forcing me to say Hali is better than Brunson im meeting god grabbing my nuts saying FCK HALI

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Post#431 » by ctorres » Wed May 28, 2025 6:56 am

Jalen and KAT have consistently sat together during post-game. KAT respects Jalen as "cap"

Do they show any signs of resentment towards each other, or is that only something that would be speculated on here?

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Post#432 » by Guano » Wed May 28, 2025 6:57 am

Chanel Bomber wrote:You can legitimately question whether any of our players can start on a championship-winning team, especially at their current level. We only have one-way players.

Whereas I can easily see Haliburton, Nembhard, Nesmith and Siakam starting on a title team.

The series is not over yet, though after the lineup change I'm not confident the team has the belief in itself to reverse the course of the series.

But Indiana have a better roster and it starts with their best player being better than ours. Their squad just has fewer weaknesses, while ours are getting exposed.


This is reactionary

Which is comical of me to point out. But we're a ridiculous collapse from being tied 2-2 and none of this is brought up
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Post#433 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed May 28, 2025 7:03 am

We really could’ve used a zone just to protect Brunson some though this probably wouldn’t have worked out either.
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Post#434 » by gavran » Wed May 28, 2025 7:03 am

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Post#435 » by Worst_to_First » Wed May 28, 2025 7:06 am

ctorres wrote:Jalen and KAT have consistently sat together during post-game. KAT respects Jalen as "cap"

Do they show any signs of resentment towards each other, or is that only something that would be speculated on here?



KAT respects JB a lot. Since the start of the season very first game, he is the first who runs towards JB every time he falls and picks him up. Even in Game 4 against the Pistons when KAT hit the game winner, he threw the attention and praise back to JB.

It is JB that I think who does not embrace KAT as a partner. KAT would have gotten so much more points if JB looked towards his way whenever KAT slips after giving a screen. Don't know if JB resents KAT for losing Divo.
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Post#436 » by Spot31 » Wed May 28, 2025 7:12 am

If there's one thing I've learned about this team is that it never gives up. This team has pulled off impossible comebacks this postseason. Just when you think they're dead they come back to life. Knicks in 7 baby!
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Post#437 » by Chanel Bomber » Wed May 28, 2025 7:15 am

Guano wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:You can legitimately question whether any of our players can start on a championship-winning team, especially at their current level. We only have one-way players.

Whereas I can easily see Haliburton, Nembhard, Nesmith and Siakam starting on a title team.

The series is not over yet, though after the lineup change I'm not confident the team has the belief in itself to reverse the course of the series.

But Indiana have a better roster and it starts with their best player being better than ours. Their squad just has fewer weaknesses, while ours are getting exposed.


This is reactionary

Which is comical of me to point out. But we're a ridiculous collapse from being tied 2-2 and none of this is brought up

You're Mr Reasonable all of a sudden
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Post#438 » by Chanel Bomber » Wed May 28, 2025 7:17 am

Guano wrote:Gun to my head forcing me to say Hali is better than Brunson im meeting god grabbing my nuts saying FCK HALI

Im just built different i guess.

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Post#440 » by Guano » Wed May 28, 2025 7:33 am

Chanel Bomber wrote:
Guano wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:You can legitimately question whether any of our players can start on a championship-winning team, especially at their current level. We only have one-way players.

Whereas I can easily see Haliburton, Nembhard, Nesmith and Siakam starting on a title team.

The series is not over yet, though after the lineup change I'm not confident the team has the belief in itself to reverse the course of the series.

But Indiana have a better roster and it starts with their best player being better than ours. Their squad just has fewer weaknesses, while ours are getting exposed.


This is reactionary

Which is comical of me to point out. But we're a ridiculous collapse from being tied 2-2 and none of this is brought up

You're Mr Reasonable all of a sudden


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