Tom Moore 2.0

[sixerswillrule]

Btw, Brand averaged 13.8 and 8 last year. Not sure why you added(until december 2nd). He was healthy up until he got hurt, and I don't remember what date it was, but he was not a 17 and 10 guy.

Hurt his hamstring against the Lakers. Got adjusted against the Cavs. Big game against Washington, but then the big injury the next game against the Bucks. And he got little minutes when he came back later.

[STChaser]

Honestly, who really cares about Brand? He doesn't even belong on this team at this point. He is a veteran playing on a team full of young kids and a franchise in the rebuilding phase. The only thing a healthy Brand could do for us (assuming he returns to form, which I don't think he ever will), is sink our chances of getting a lottery pick.

In terms of why I think we'll suck this season, I think our lack of depth is going to really hurt us. I think people underestimate the loss of Ivey and what he brought to this team on D, and the loss of Theo, our best backup 5, is really going to hurt us. I was at first inclined to recall how the year we went to the finals, we stood pat for the most part while other teams loaded up during the offseason. But the difference between then and now is that we've lost what little depth we had. Now IF we were to somehow sign Carney and add a decent PG or backup 5, that could change. But as things stand right now, this team is dreadfully shallow at key positions - which I'm fine with so long as we accept that we're headed for the lottery.

STChaser

[sixerswillrule]

With a PG like Duhon

As of right now, I think we have a PG's in Lou Will and Jrue. I didn't see anyone saying Duhon's a definite signing. Like I said, it might change things for the better if he is here. I don't know- I hope we find that out to be true.

About Miller being a ball-dominant PG- as others have stated, he's never been ball-dominant until he came here! He didn't have reliable options available, and he took his shot. Many times you saw this past season in the half court set, the guys weren't open and Miller had to take it himself. Miller and everyone else being poor outside shooters, they couldn't stretch the defense, and there wasn't much space. Hopefully Duhon does help stretch the defense if we get him. With Lou and Jrue we will not be better IMHO.

I don't think it's the end of the world if we don't get another PG. I have a feeling Lou or Jrue could do very well next season. Would like to get Duhon or someone similar, though. That's what I'm hoping will happen.

I wasn't referring to Miller taking a lot of shots when I called him ball-dominant. I was referring to his style of play. That's how he is effective. He doesn't play off the ball, nor can he. He likes to create his own shot. That's usually how he scores. That's not what we need at PG.

[Don]

He doesn't play off the ball, nor can he. He likes to create his own shot.

That's true, but then again, we didn't have too many guys that created their own shots, and we had no one with a good mid-range shot to spot up (other than Miller that is).

[radrmd216]

I think Duhon could be a decent player for the Sixers. Ed might be regretting the Brand signing a little now so maybe if brand plays good this season we could package him and Duhon for a decent player on a shorter contract. No matter what Ed did last year there would be people complaining. I think Brand wasn't a good signing becuase the sixers should have played their young guys and taken their lumps signed a free agent when the young guys matured and the roster was more set in stone.

I don't like how Ed won't sign a MLE type player for one year but I like how hes not settling for signing a player for 2-3 years. Every offseason teams give out mutliyear contracts and regret it a year later sometimes even 6 months. The sixers need to see which young guys they should keep on the roster, avoid bad mutliyear signings like other teams, and use their money at the right tme.

[radrmd216]

If the Knicks do sign Miller to a 3yr/$18M contract what would be their commited salaries for next season. Hypothetically if the ap is $50 million next year how much cap space would the knicks have with Miller vs. without Miller

[Gsraider]

Honestly, who really cares about Brand? He doesn't even belong on this team at this point.

It's almost as if I have heard this same line from the same author a thousand or so times. Could it be deja vu? Ah, maybe not:)

[tmoore]

Knicks only have $26.5 mill in salaries for 2010, which is why a one-year deal with Miller would be best for them.

[tmoore]

They could give Miller up to $7.6 mill in a sign-and-trade for Duhon, then renounce him after one year. Only first season must be guaranteed.

[Don]

Honestly, who really cares about Brand? He doesn't even belong on this team at this point.

It's almost as if I have heard this same line from the same author a thousand or so times. Could it be deja vu? Ah, maybe not:)

It just goes to show that if we tell ourselves the same thing enough times contrary to reality, we end up believing it.

[radrmd216]

So even if the cap drops to $50 million the Knicks could still sign two free agents to max contracts? Tom wha are the chances tha Miller accepts a 3 year contract with only one year guarenteed.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

The shooting 45% also factors in him missing wide open jumpers, which he did quite often last season as well. People sometimes remember what they want to remember. But he was not swarmed every single time he got the ball like people falsely remember.

Btw, Brand averaged 13.8 and 8 last year. Not sure why you added(until december 2nd). He was healthy up until he got hurt, and I don't remember what date it was, but he was not a 17 and 10 guy.

Allow me to round up the tallys

24 PTS, 14 Rebs, 3 BLKS
17 PTS, 16 Rebs
15 Pts, 4 Rebs
12 PTS, 12 Rebs, 1 BLK
6 PTS, 12 Rebs
15 PTS, 5 Rebs, 3 BLKS
19 PTS, 13 Rebs
17 PTS, 8 Rebs, 5 BLKS
23 PTS, 12 Rebs, 1 BLK
18 PTS, 9 Rebs, 1 BLK
21 PTS, 6 Rebs, 2 BLKS
18 PTS, 8 REBS
21 PTS, 12 Rebs
22 PTS, 14 Rebs, 1 BLK
3 PTS, 5 Rebs, 1 BLK
6 PTS,10 REBS, 2 BLKS
11 PTS, 11 REBS
27 PTS, 9 REBS, 1 BLK
Grand Total:
15.1 PPG, 9.0 RPG, 1.5 BPG

The injury game and the other 2 games skew the numbers badly.

Look at how many times Brand gets near or 10 RPG.

You forgot how dominate our front-court was.

[Ming]

One of the few free agents available that would make a desired impact - guard Andre Miller — is still well out of their price range with the midlevel exception. A person close to Miller said the Knicks are nowhere near his consideration at this point of the summer.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketbal ... 6478.story

From the Knicks board.

[Carcharios]

Honestly, who really cares about Brand? He doesn't even belong on this team at this point.

It's almost as if I have heard this same line from the same author a thousand or so times. Could it be deja vu? Ah, maybe not:)

Funny you should bring that up. Sort of like the endless back-and-forths we've had over whether Brand will ever return to form or not. You may not like my point, nor how many times I've HAD to repeat it, but the "reality" is that he really doesn't fit on this team as constructed right now. Explain to me how a oft-injured vet on the downside of his career fits alongside a PG who's never played an NBA game in his life, Lou Williams, Thaddeus Young, Speights, and an entirely new coaching system, etc., etc.? Brand is now outdated whether you like it or not. So stop arguing whether or not he'll return to form and accept the fact that the real issue remains whether or not he even belongs here.

STChaser

[shadowTerp]

One of the few free agents available that would make a desired impact - guard Andre Miller — is still well out of their price range with the midlevel exception. A person close to Miller said the Knicks are nowhere near his consideration at this point of the summer.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketbal ... 6478.story

From the Knicks board.

From the Wiretap article up top, the Sixers "want more than just Duhon."

What else do the Knicks have that we would consider? Duhon's making 6 million, I doubt we'd want to add more salary. A second-round pick plus some $$$ to pay off some of Duhon's salary? Would the Knicks give up a future protected-first for him? I doubt that.

[ankle420breaker]

Duhon is really all I'd want...

[sixerfan1976]

yeah lets not get greedy....if you can get duhon for a year...you do it. fill rest of roster out with vet min SF and center and go to camp

[Gsraider]

Funny you should bring that up. Sort of like the endless back-and-forths we've had over whether Brand will ever return to form or not. You may not like my point, nor how many times I've HAD to repeat it, but the "reality" is that he really doesn't fit on this team as constructed right now. Explain to me how a oft-injured vet on the downside of his career fits alongside a PG who's never played an NBA game in his life, Lou Williams, Thaddeus Young, Speights, and an entirely new coaching system, etc., etc.? Brand is now outdated whether you like it or not. So stop arguing whether or not he'll return to form and accept the fact that the real issue remains whether or not he even belongs here.

How many times you HAD to repeat it? You repeat it on topics that aren't even about Brand. You could repeat it within the off-topics thread. You will even make up topics so you can repeat it again. As for myself, don't lump me into that category of endlessly arguing about whether or not he'll return to form because I haven't. I have entered one debate (ever) over whether Brand can return to his prior form and my only argument was that guys have done it before, so Brand could too. I didn't even speculate if he would, just that it's possible that he could because there were a few on this board who were simply convinced that it wasn't even possible.

Whatever the case, you used to inject some good points on this board and probably still do. It just seems like every time I see your signature since Brand played the first 20 games or so, regardless of the topic, it's to make the same exact point again and again about him. I just hope that you hope you are wrong about it because that would be best for the 76ers.

[Ming]

One of the few free agents available that would make a desired impact - guard Andre Miller — is still well out of their price range with the midlevel exception. A person close to Miller said the Knicks are nowhere near his consideration at this point of the summer.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketbal ... 6478.story

From the Knicks board.

From the Wiretap article up top, the Sixers "want more than just Duhon."

What else do the Knicks have that we would consider? Duhon's making 6 million, I doubt we'd want to add more salary. A second-round pick plus some $$$ to pay off some of Duhon's salary? Would the Knicks give up a future protected-first for him? I doubt that.

I guess they want a 2nd and/or some cash as you said.
That article was written by Tom. So Tom, did the Sixers turn down Miller for Duhon straight up? What are they looking for that you heard of?

[STChaser]

GSRaider, point accepted. You're probably right about my constant harping on Brand - not so much because I don't like him as a person but because I think too many posters here see him as a franchise player who just needs time to regain his form.

As for this upcoming season, I still think less is more this time around. The more games we lose, the better off for our franchise in terms of getting an impact player. I know that others have their own opinions but I just don't see any other way of getting that franchise player. The two "stars" we've gotten since AI - CWebb and Brand were both acquired post draft and both were liabilities due to the wear and tear on their bodies. The ONLY real franchise player we've had (AI) was gotten through the draft. I think we can build the pieces we need to surround that star caliber player via free agency but the star is most likely going to have to come via the draft - and the only way we're going to get that pick is with a lottery pick.

STCHaser