Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 1)

[parson]

Where is this revisionist history coming from? I don't remember any PLAN to play Smith at SF more, in fact I remember Drew shutting down that idea at the beginning of the season when asked about Smoove's weight loss. And Josh did not play half the season at SF last year......he played barely 11% of the total available minutes at SF in 2010-11. To even suggest that Collins somehow managed to not only start but play enough minutes for half a season is ludicrous in itself.

It's been well documented over the years about Josh's woes as a SF that necessitated the need for him to play the power position but some newcomers like to create their own fantasies and offer an entirely different account than the actual events that occurred in history. Fact is we've watched him get burned badly defensively against SFs like Melo and Durant this year because of his age old lack of lateral quickness and we've all figured that he can only thrive offensively at the position if he's paired with a PF that actually plays like an elite SF such as Dirk because you can't count on consistent shooting or ball handling by him.

Just a couple:

From Jeff Schultz

Yet, when the Hawks opened the gym following the NBA lockout, guess who was the first player to show up? Guess who lost 25 pounds this summer, changing his workouts, changing his diet, running in the Hollywood hills?

Guess who worked on his mid-range jumper — from 16 feet, not Neptune — and was determined to get faster and quicker so he could excel against the league’s small forwards, after seeing a lot of time at the 3-spot in the playoffs?

link: http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/ ... for-hawks/

From CBSSports

The Hawks have talked some about moving him to small forward, which would allow him to use his size on smaller defenders.

link: http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantas ... josh-smith

I am not being "revisionist" but, apparently, you have been asleep.

[MaceCase]

So you have two opinion pieces from a guy who doesn't even follow the team and a fantasy website. Bravo.

[Jodi]

Pistons fan here...What do you guys think of trading Al Horford to the Pistons for Will Bynum(expiring), Maxiell(expiring), and our 2012 1st rounder(9th pick)...Yes, No, Maybe??

[ballislife]

Would u guys trade smith for toronto's pick? i think a lot would depend on what smith's looking to do when his contracts up, but what do u guys think would be fair from toronto?

[MaceCase]

Would u guys trade smith for toronto's pick? i think a lot would depend on what smith's looking to do when his contracts up, but what do u guys think would be fair from toronto?

Pistons fan here...What do you guys think of trading Al Horford to the Pistons for Will Bynum(expiring), Maxiell(expiring), and our 2012 1st rounder(9th pick)...Yes, No, Maybe??

These picks need to be top 3-5 for any of these to even get consideration. I get it from Toronto's standpoint that they may not feel sure about being able to retain Smith but the 9th pick and filler for Horford? Yea, try harder.

[monsterblock]

Pistons fan here...What do you guys think of trading Al Horford to the Pistons for Will Bynum(expiring), Maxiell(expiring), and our 2012 1st rounder(9th pick)...Yes, No, Maybe??

Would u guys trade smith for toronto's pick? i think a lot would depend on what smith's looking to do when his contracts up, but what do u guys think would be fair from toronto?

If a team can get Andre Drummond on draft night and kick a few extras like an upgrade at SF, a young bench player, or taking a bad contract............. then maybe.

[Years80HAWKS]

I do not know what is happening during this year's POs. Nobody does.
But I really hope we change something this summer. I do not care whether it is Smith leaving for center and a pick, Horford for a small forward and a center, or the signing of a center and a trade for either Horford, Smith, JJ or two of the three, but I really want the FO to decide to take different sporting direction that can take us to a different level, being it lower and then we rebuild, being it higher.
But I am really sick of watching a 50-30 team that could be a tittle contender by changing a couple of things being so idle with its situation.

[ballislife]

I'd be willing to give up our pick in the 6-7 range, Ed Davis, and pure cap space for Smith... but only if Smith gave us some kind of reassurance.

[parson]

So you have two opinion pieces from a guy who doesn't even follow the team and a fantasy website. Bravo.

And you have your opinion AND a blindness to what's been discussed for years.

Josh lost between 25 and 35lbs, IN ORDER to better handle the offensive and defensive requirements of SF (depending on your source - Schultz said it was 25 and Josh said it was 35). That's a fact. My opinion is that nobody does that unless he plans to play a lot more SF. Couple that with the fact that we used Collins more in the playoffs and with the fact that Horford (and half of creation) has been wanting to move to PF and my opinion has definite merit.

Sorry if that somehow bothers you but, HEY!, I'd love to hear your opinion.

[parson]

... what do u guys think would be fair from toronto?

Valanciunas and a future pick.

[parson]

I'd be willing to give up our pick in the 6-7 range, Ed Davis, and pure cap space for Smith... but only if Smith gave us some kind of reassurance.

We're $12 million over the cap. Unless your "pure cap space" is enough to let us contend for FAs, why should we bite?

[MaceCase]

So you have two opinion pieces from a guy who doesn't even follow the team and a fantasy website. Bravo.

And you have your opinion AND a blindness to what's been discussed for years.

Josh lost between 25 and 35lbs, IN ORDER to better handle the offensive and defensive requirements of SF (depending on your source - Schultz said it was 25 and Josh said it was 35). That's a fact. My opinion is that nobody does that unless he plans to play a lot more SF. Couple that with the fact that we used Collins more in the playoffs and with the fact that Horford (and half of creation) has been wanting to move to PF and my opinion has definite merit.

Sorry if that somehow bothers you but, HEY!, I'd love to hear your opinion.

So there's what Josh did and there's what his coach has done and said he will not do.....which is not play Josh more at the 3. So again you are looking at bread crumbs trying to lead yourself to a cookie but the chef himself has said there's no cookies. Man conjecture sure is a bitch.

[Ruhiel]

Lol at both of you!

But where did his coach say he won't play Smith at the 3?

[monsterblock]

I'd be willing to give up our pick in the 6-7 range, Ed Davis, and pure cap space for Smith... but only if Smith gave us some kind of reassurance.

Atlanta can't make a trade until they know what player might fall to the Raptors' pick or Pistons' pick. the only players i would trade Horford or Smith for would be Anthony Davis, Michael Kidd Gilchrist, and Andre Drummond (and maybe Jeremy Lamb).

we'll just have to see what the official draft order will be, what players might fall, and how the draft plays out on draft night.

[parson]

Lol at both of you!

But where did his coach say he won't play Smith at the 3?

Shhhhh. That's where you leave my "conjecture" and move to his.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Drew is such an incompetent coach that he would never risk playing Josh at SF. Which is why Josh lost that weight. Now he can showcase himself to other teams and be at a good size for SF for when he finally lands with a competent team. Anybody thinking Smith is better at the 4 is absurd. Playing him at the 3 maximize his abilities..

[manap3000]

huge raps fan hear. We've heard josh smith is unhappy in atlanta and wants out, is that true? If so is a bargnani for josh smith trade realistic? let's face it, is anyone else offering better?

[ATL Boy]

huge raps fan hear. We've heard josh smith is unhappy in atlanta and wants out, is that true? If so is a bargnani for josh smith trade realistic? let's face it, is anyone else offering better?

Smith denied the rumors that he wants out, and I give a big HELL NO to Smith for Bargnani, and yes we can get way better than Bargnani if NJN for example does recieve their pick and if it's 2nd or 3rd I think they'd offer the pick/fillers for Dwight's best friend and a player who could convince Deron to Stay.
Smith>>>>Bargnani

[manap3000]

huge raps fan hear. We've heard josh smith is unhappy in atlanta and wants out, is that true? If so is a bargnani for josh smith trade realistic? let's face it, is anyone else offering better?

Smith denied the rumors that he wants out, and I give a big HELL NO to Smith for Bargnani, and yes we can get way better than Bargnani if NJN for example does recieve their pick and if it's 2nd or 3rd I think they'd offer the pick/fillers for Dwight's best friend and a player who could convince Deron to Stay.
Smith>>>>Bargnani

for sure man, smith> bargnani. The only problem with that scenario is the nets aren't likely to get a top 3 pick, which means they forfeit it to portland. What other possible trades would you consider? Or are you assuming josh smith is staying put.

[ATL Boy]

huge raps fan hear. We've heard josh smith is unhappy in atlanta and wants out, is that true? If so is a bargnani for josh smith trade realistic? let's face it, is anyone else offering better?

Smith denied the rumors that he wants out, and I give a big HELL NO to Smith for Bargnani, and yes we can get way better than Bargnani if NJN for example does recieve their pick and if it's 2nd or 3rd I think they'd offer the pick/fillers for Dwight's best friend and a player who could convince Deron to Stay.
Smith>>>>Bargnani

for sure man, smith> bargnani. The only problem with that scenario is the nets aren't likely to get a top 3 pick, which means they forfeit it to portland. What other possible trades would you consider? Or are you assuming josh smith is staying put.

Smith for Nene
Smith for Mcgee
Smith/Marvin Williams for Okafor/NOH's lotto pick are the the 3 trades I'd be ok with