Sixers officially acquire #1 pick per Woj and Aldridge. Will get Fultz

[LongLiveHinkie]

So far Woj has been money again as usual. First to say the Sixers would get Fultz in there saturday when many said it's unlikely. And of course he's in there Saturday. Unless it's Woj, Stein, or Lowe, I'm treating every other reporter as just noise.

[76ciology]

Why don't we just flip #3 and Okafor to LAL....#2 and Lakers 2018 pick to Boston (assuring they get Jackson), and #1 to Philly.

Lakers get Ball still, and pick up Okafor in the process.

Sixers give up same package essentially and still get it done.

Boston gets their guy and accomplishes the same goals.

One of those truly rare win-win-win scenarios. Michael Scott's favorite kinds.

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Funny when you think about it how the top 3 prospects fits with each team's identity but the lottery messed it up. Oh well, it could have been the Suns and not us.

[hookshot199]

Yes it does help them with their cap but Bradley helps us as well. It's a win win. Besides, we're probably making the playoffs this year (or in serious contention for them) and Bradley will help moving up a seed. Like I said win win

Sorry, OleSchool, it's 'lose-lose' for us if we make this deal unless Fultz is truly the Second Coming. Washington couldn't even beat Yale. It's just losing a little worse. And by helping a divisional rival build a powerhouse - add Buttler and possibly Ibaka - doesn't strike me as 'win' in any way, especially since Bradley will be a free agent in 2018.

Payroll management is part of the deal.

Where did I say I was in favor of this trade? I said it looks like the deal is done and I'm just trying to milk something else out of Bos. And those days of Hinkie winning every trade are over (thanks JC)so I'm just trying to salvage something.

Bos is going to get one of Butler, PG, Ibaka, or Griffin no matter what we do. Might as well try to weaken them and help us in the process.

Bottom line is this, I want either Beverly or Bradley on this team and if a trade is already happening why not try to get something else?

Then, let's sign Bradly as an unrestricted free agent in June 2018. Don't help them with their payroll mess.

[smittybanton]

Exactly as I suspected. Good job, Bryan. Stay strong! Celtics want LA18, and BC won't give it to them. They have till draft night to come up with a package where we give #3, Okafor, and one of our own picks to facilitate a trade to Chicago. That's also enough time for Phoenix and Sacramento to decide what they're going to do. For all my criticism of BC, he is not Billy King, and doesn't want to be perceived as such. Stay strong, B!

[Sixerscan]

I mean its Ainge so I'm sure he's trying to get every inch he can get, but I'm not sure how much leverage they have if this is part of a larger plan of theirs. If they want as much cap space as possible heading into the summer, they can't take on contracts, even relatively cheap ones like guys on rookie deals. The Sixers are basically the only other team with (a) cap space to take on contracts (b) a high pick in this draft (3) valuable future picks that aren't tied to their own performance. The future picks should be especially attractive to the Celtics because they don't have any impact on the cap.

He certainly has some leverage, which is why we're not just giving them like #3 and Okafor, but I don't think he exactly has the Sixers over a barrel unless Colangelo feels like he has to get Fultz at any cost.

Well, the future picks is whole thing, right? I mean including the #3 and the LAL pick is already, in some sense, an overpay. Anything more than that almost definitely is - which is why I'm saying the question becomes how much is the overpay? I agree there's some question about the amount of leverage, but the reality is that Boston CAN still just draft him outright, which is almost leverage enough on its own, right?

The #1 pick is traded so infrequently that I don't think you can really gauge a consistent value for it. I think whether or not its an overpay depends in large part on one's opinion of Fultz and Jackson.

Also think people overrate the potential upside of that Lakers pick. There's a whole offseason, 82 games, then a lottery. It's most expected outcome is probably like the 6th pick.

[Gsraider]

To me that doesn't make any sense.

Makes no sense to me either unless there is some merit to it being a potential 3 team trade with CHI and that part still needs to be worked out. If it's simply PHI/BOS, then there is no reason to wait until draft night unless Ainge is trying to solicit better offers up until the last minute, which I would kind of expect from him. If it's simply PHI/BOS, I make my final offer to Boston and keep working out players. I might even suggest that they need to decide before the draft or the offer diminishes. I just can't shake from my head that Boston is only discussing this deal because they don't want to take Fultz #1. I simply do not believe that Philly is the one pushing this harder. If Boston was all in on Fultz, they just take him or ask for the moon, in which case it never reaches advanced stages like it supposedly has. Just the same, remember when Okafor for Boston's lottery pick was considered done by some? I won't believe this one until it's done because of Ainge's propensity for wanting to rape his trade partner. With Philly, he doesn't have the leverage he has with other teams because Philly has picks, cap space, and young prospects already. Assuming BC doesn't panic, this is a rare instance where both teams can win in the deal, provided one doesn't get too greedy. I'm guessing that would be Ainge from prior history.

[Sixerscan]

Why don't we just flip #3 and Okafor to LAL....#2 and Lakers 2018 pick to Boston (assuring they get Jackson), and #1 to Philly.

Lakers get Ball still, and pick up Okafor in the process.

Sixers give up same package essentially and still get it done.

Boston gets their guy and accomplishes the same goals.

One of those truly rare win-win-win scenarios. Michael Scott's favorite kinds.

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If the Lakers want Jackson they aren't going to lose him and have to take their #3 ranked person for the privilege of employing Jahlil Okafor. If they want Ball or Fox etc. then they aren't a problem. So there's no point to include them in something like that.

Just gotta be patient.

[GoCeltics123]

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Huh. So I guess the Celtics keep Fultz if Jackson goes #2?

I think Ainge wants Jackson at #3 but not at #1, but he values Fultz and Jackson about the same. So I guess he feels LA18/PHI19 plus Jackson>Fultz but Fultz>Jackson

[Gsraider]

Exactly as I suspected. Good job, Bryan. Stay strong! Celtics want LA18, and BC won't give it to them. They have till draft night to come up with a package where we give #3, Okafor, and one of our own picks to facilitate a trade to Chicago. That's also enough time for Phoenix and Sacramento to decide what they're going to do. For all my criticism of BC, he is not Billy King, and doesn't want to be perceived as such. Stay strong, B!

While I hope you're correct, it's hard to credit or discredit BC at this point without knowing exactly what is being talked about or agreed to at this point. Like you, for as much as I want Fultz, I think Philly has as much leverage as Boston does in this instance. Sure, Boston has the #1 pick, but the top prospect plays the same position(s) where they have their best players/prospects. Having dealt with this already and dealing with it right now as BC is doing with Okafor/Noel, BC probably knows full well that Ainge does not want to create a similar problem in Boston. Meanwhile, what can Ainge do if he doesn't really want to just select Fultz and not drop out of the top tier of picks this year? LA cannot offer anything close to what Philly can without including Ingram, which they won't. Not sure they will deal Zubac, but I'm not as high on him as some others are anyway. That leaves Philly, where they can pick up assets and more justifiably pick guys that are better fits for their core. That, or accumulate enough picks to entice a team like CHI or IND. Again, I'm guessing the Lakers pick is involved in this deal, but if I were BC, I would be offering Philly's picks over the next two years instead or perhaps one and Okafor. Let Ainge take Fultz and then try to trade his glut of guards when the entire league knows he has to. Worked extraordinarily well for BC when he tried with Okafor and Noel.

[hookshot199]

Sorry, OleSchool, it's 'lose-lose' for us if we make this deal unless Fultz is truly the Second Coming. Washington couldn't even beat Yale. It's just losing a little worse. And by helping a divisional rival build a powerhouse - add Buttler and possibly Ibaka - doesn't strike me as 'win' in any way, especially since Bradley will be a free agent in 2018.

Payroll management is part of the deal.

Where did I say I was in favor of this trade? I said it looks like the deal is done and I'm just trying to milk something else out of Bos. And those days of Hinkie winning every trade are over (thanks JC)so I'm just trying to salvage something.

Bos is going to get one of Butler, PG, Ibaka, or Griffin no matter what we do. Might as well try to weaken them and help us in the process.

Bottom line is this, I want either Beverly or Bradley on this team and if a trade is already happening why not try to get something else?

I'd be absolutely stunned if Ainge gives up AB here. He would rather send him to Chicago for Butler

My guess is that Demetrius Jackson or Terry Rozier is added for cap purposes

I am a huge Avery Bradley fan. I am not remotely diminishing his value or trying to incite another Sixers-Celtics feud on the board. I am merely stating the obvious. He's a one-year rental. Unless you're competing for a championship (neither the Sixers nor the Bulls are), he's not a building piece this June. In June 2018? Absolutely.

And if Colangelo is playing the long game and he needs a two-guard who can defend, Bradley would be at or near the top of my list. I think he's a hell of a player and gets a bad rap from some on the Celtics board.

Re Demetrius Jackson: We've got something like 200 second-round picks. The Celtics have too many guards and small forwards. This isn't your draft. This is ours: We need a guard in a guard-heavy draft. And Colangelo seems hellbent on spending Sam Hinkie's assets.

Let's both of us hope that the deal falls through because - and I suspect we agree - most fans on our respective boards are happy with what we've got.

Cheers…


EDIT: Let me restate that: This is your draft because you got the top pick, but it would have been better if Anthony-Towns or Porzingis would have been in this year's draft.

[Gsraider]

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Huh. So I guess the Celtics keep Fultz if Jackson goes #2?

I think Ainge wants Jackson at #3 but not at #1, but he values Fultz and Jackson about the same. So I guess he feels LA18/PHI19 plus Jackson>Fultz but Fultz>Jackson

Now this makes sense. If Jackson is the guy that Boston wants, then I totally understand waiting until draft night to see what LA does. It's also why BC needs to play poker and make Ainge think he won't wait. I only wish Boston liked Tatum as much as Jackson and then it wouldn't matter. Here's to hoping LA just takes Ball.

[GoCeltics123]

Exactly as I suspected. Good job, Bryan. Stay strong! Celtics want LA18, and BC won't give it to them. They have till draft night to come up with a package where we give #3, Okafor, and one of our own picks to facilitate a trade to Chicago. That's also enough time for Phoenix and Sacramento to decide what they're going to do. For all my criticism of BC, he is not Billy King, and doesn't want to be perceived as such. Stay strong, B!

Hate to say it dude, Draft Express said Ainge would only do this if he had a "Brooklyn-type fleece". I'd be stunned if LA 18 isn't in there if this happens.

Woj, the GOAT, even said the basis of the deal is #3 and LA18. Steve Kyler said another future philly pick is possible too.

[SelfishPlayer]

This was all a ploy to get Fultz in for a look where the Sixers never would have received the opportunity otherwise.

BC: "Three firsts? Suuuuuuuure, just send Fultz down Saturday for inspection."

[GoCeltics123]

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Huh. So I guess the Celtics keep Fultz if Jackson goes #2?

I think Ainge wants Jackson at #3 but not at #1, but he values Fultz and Jackson about the same. So I guess he feels LA18/PHI19 plus Jackson>Fultz but Fultz>Jackson

Now this makes sense. If Jackson is the guy that Boston wants, then I totally understand waiting until draft night to see what LA does. It's also why BC needs to play poker and make Ainge think he won't wait. I only wish Boston liked Tatum as much as Jackson and then it wouldn't matter. Here's to hoping LA just takes Ball.

Just a question: would you do the deal for #3, LA18 and PHI19 or PHI20? I'm curious as I would but it's a tough call

[76ciology]

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Huh. So I guess the Celtics keep Fultz if Jackson goes #2?

I think Ainge wants Jackson at #3 but not at #1, but he values Fultz and Jackson about the same. So I guess he feels LA18/PHI19 plus Jackson>Fultz but Fultz>Jackson

So... Celts has Jackson over Lonzo?

ALL TOP 3 teams have Lonzo at 3rd now?

[76ciology]

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Huh. So I guess the Celtics keep Fultz if Jackson goes #2?

I think Ainge wants Jackson at #3 but not at #1, but he values Fultz and Jackson about the same. So I guess he feels LA18/PHI19 plus Jackson>Fultz but Fultz>Jackson

Now this makes sense. If Jackson is the guy that Boston wants, then I totally understand waiting until draft night to see what LA does. It's also why BC needs to play poker and make Ainge think he won't wait. I only wish Boston liked Tatum as much as Jackson and then it wouldn't matter. Here's to hoping LA just takes Ball.

Just a question: would you do the deal for #3, LA18 and PHI19 or PHI20? I'm curious as I would but it's a tough call

PHI 20 would be like 27th pick behind Cavs and GSW pick. Hahaha JK

[CoreyGallagher]

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Huh. So I guess the Celtics keep Fultz if Jackson goes #2?

I think Ainge wants Jackson at #3 but not at #1, but he values Fultz and Jackson about the same. So I guess he feels LA18/PHI19 plus Jackson>Fultz but Fultz>Jackson

Now this makes sense. If Jackson is the guy that Boston wants, then I totally understand waiting until draft night to see what LA does. It's also why BC needs to play poker and make Ainge think he won't wait. I only wish Boston liked Tatum as much as Jackson and then it wouldn't matter. Here's to hoping LA just takes Ball.

Just a question: would you do the deal for #3, LA18 and PHI19 or PHI20? I'm curious as I would but it's a tough call

I would because I believe we're going to be really good in 2 to 3 years. Including the LA pick is essentially a formality in this trade, it seems.

[sixers hoops]

I mean its Ainge so I'm sure he's trying to get every inch he can get, but I'm not sure how much leverage they have if this is part of a larger plan of theirs. If they want as much cap space as possible heading into the summer, they can't take on contracts, even relatively cheap ones like guys on rookie deals. The Sixers are basically the only other team with (a) cap space to take on contracts (b) a high pick in this draft (3) valuable future picks that aren't tied to their own performance. The future picks should be especially attractive to the Celtics because they don't have any impact on the cap.

He certainly has some leverage, which is why we're not just giving them like #3 and Okafor, but I don't think he exactly has the Sixers over a barrel unless Colangelo feels like he has to get Fultz at any cost.

Well, the future picks is whole thing, right? I mean including the #3 and the LAL pick is already, in some sense, an overpay. Anything more than that almost definitely is - which is why I'm saying the question becomes how much is the overpay? I agree there's some question about the amount of leverage, but the reality is that Boston CAN still just draft him outright, which is almost leverage enough on its own, right?

The #1 pick is traded so infrequently that I don't think you can really gauge a consistent value for it. I think whether or not its an overpay depends in large part on one's opinion of Fultz and Jackson.

Also think people overrate the potential upside of that Lakers pick. There's a whole offseason, 82 games, then a lottery. It's most expected outcome is probably like the 6th pick.

Yeah, you cant really have a #1 pick value chart. The value of the #1 pick in 2023 will be as valuable as the best prospect available that year. The value of the top pick this year is much lower than almost any other year. In 2013, Noel, Oladipo, and Bennett was extremely low.

Ultimately, 90% of what I hear has Fultz as the consensus #1. At this point, Ainge is aware that BC really wants Fultz. It just a matter of how much.

If BC has a room full of trusted personnel people saying Fultz is WAYYY better than the other prospects, then giving up two future firsts makes sense.

I agree that the Lakers pick gets a little overvalued as untouchable assets, but the Lakers and Sac picks do have top 5 potential. I think our own 2019 pick will be later than 20 so I'm not worried about that as a throw in. Unlike the Nets, we are giving up future firsts to build around 22 year olds. We we be in the playoffs next year if Embiid is healthy. And possibly if not.

I would prob only give one of:
Sixers 2018
Lakers 2018
Sac 2019

I just like Jackson that much at 3.

[kriss73]

Just a question: would you do the deal for #3, LA18 and PHI19 or PHI20? I'm curious as I would but it's a tough call

It's tough imho.

The real question for Sixers fans is:

do you prefer Fultz but no #3, LAL18 and PHI19, or simply take Monk at #3?

[sixers hoops]

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Huh. So I guess the Celtics keep Fultz if Jackson goes #2?

I think Ainge wants Jackson at #3 but not at #1, but he values Fultz and Jackson about the same. So I guess he feels LA18/PHI19 plus Jackson>Fultz but Fultz>Jackson

Now this makes sense. If Jackson is the guy that Boston wants, then I totally understand waiting until draft night to see what LA does. It's also why BC needs to play poker and make Ainge think he won't wait. I only wish Boston liked Tatum as much as Jackson and then it wouldn't matter. Here's to hoping LA just takes Ball.

Just a question: would you do the deal for #3, LA18 and PHI19 or PHI20? I'm curious as I would but it's a tough call

I would do #3, LA 18, and PHI20. I would only do PHI19 if top 10 protected.