Political Roundtable Part XVII

[verbal8]

We are really lucky to have our own stable genius in this thread.

[Wizardspride]

Assuming this is true--I'm not surprised at all.

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[dckingsfan]

It is interesting that the Ds are now positioning themselves to use the charitable tax donation as a tool. The charitable tax carveout has always had some very interesting unintended consequences (as have all of the other tax carveouts).

It is laughable that the Rs oppose this - after all, the super rich that use that same tax deduction.

Of course, once the Ds start down this path (as a state tool) their crying out that those same tools are depriving the federal government of needed tax revenue (from the 1%) will by hypocritical.

The unintended consequences of carveouts are fascinating.

BTW, remember when the Ds wanted to do what was right?
https://www.philanthropy.com/article/Senate-Democrats-Call-for/155183

An interesting quote:

The Senate Democrats’ plan lays out several approaches that could be taken to limit itemized deductions, including those for mortgage-interest payments and state and local taxes.

Now it wouldn't just be the The Alliance for Charitable Reform but all states that would oppose getting rid of the carveout. This is how a seemingly good idea gets twisted over time.

Time to go to a tax that has no carveouts and no special exemptions for certain types of incomes.

[Pointgod]

Interesting theory here:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/everybodys-forgetting-trumps-odd-superpower-200807773.html

Not sure I agree with it.
If this happens combined with Trump do damage to the Republican brand(with a lot of help) it seems like it might produce a 2020 Trump re-election with no "coat tails". That would be really interesting - and probably not in a good way.

What the author fails to acknowledge is that no Trump doesn’t talk to the forgotten worker but Trump talks to white people of all socioeconomic levels. Blacks, Latinos, Asians and young people overwhelmingly voted for Hillary Clinton. An overwhelming majority of the country disapproves of him. Assuming that Trump is some populous champion and he can speak to the forgotten people makes for think pieces and navel gazing but it’s doesnt acknowledge reality. The people that matter are the millions that turned out for Obama but stayed home for Clinton. It’s a pretty simple formula when Democrats tunout to vote they win.

[Ruzious]

:lol:

Watch on YouTube

Dave Chappelle's probably thinking - "Damn, that guy's funnier than I am." Maybe he'd use a different word for guy.

[Ruzious]

We are really lucky to have our own stable genius in this thread.

Him and Mr Ed.

[Pointgod]

Assuming this is true--I'm not surprised at all.

Read on Twitter

Shocker Trump is pathological liar and unhinged narcissist.

[dckingsfan]

Interesting theory here:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/everybodys-forgetting-trumps-odd-superpower-200807773.html

Not sure I agree with it.
If this happens combined with Trump do damage to the Republican brand(with a lot of help) it seems like it might produce a 2020 Trump re-election with no "coat tails". That would be really interesting - and probably not in a good way.

What the author fails to acknowledge is that no Trump doesn’t talk to the forgotten worker but Trump talks to white people of all socioeconomic levels. Blacks, Latinos, Asians and young people overwhelmingly voted for Hillary Clinton. An overwhelming majority of the country disapproves of him. Assuming that Trump is some populous champion and he can speak to the forgotten people makes for think pieces and navel gazing but it’s doesnt acknowledge reality. The people that matter are the millions that turned out for Obama but stayed home for Clinton. It’s a pretty simple formula when Democrats tunout to vote they win.

You keep coming back to that mantra. But it could be changed to when Rs come out to vote they win. When independents come out it tilts the election, etc.

I think this is a false narrative.

Why did people come out to vote for Obama? He had a compelling message. As did Bush before him. As did Clinton before him. As did Reagan before him.

[Wizardspride]

Assuming this is true--I'm not surprised at all.

Read on Twitter

Shocker Trump is pathological liar and unhinged narcissist.

Yep.

The funny thing is if you caught Trump in a moment of honesty he probably aligns politically more with "Crooked Hillary" than he does his with own base.

[Pointgod]

Interesting theory here:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/everybodys-forgetting-trumps-odd-superpower-200807773.html

Not sure I agree with it.
If this happens combined with Trump do damage to the Republican brand(with a lot of help) it seems like it might produce a 2020 Trump re-election with no "coat tails". That would be really interesting - and probably not in a good way.

What the author fails to acknowledge is that no Trump doesn’t talk to the forgotten worker but Trump talks to white people of all socioeconomic levels. Blacks, Latinos, Asians and young people overwhelmingly voted for Hillary Clinton. An overwhelming majority of the country disapproves of him. Assuming that Trump is some populous champion and he can speak to the forgotten people makes for think pieces and navel gazing but it’s doesnt acknowledge reality. The people that matter are the millions that turned out for Obama but stayed home for Clinton. It’s a pretty simple formula when Democrats tunout to vote they win.

You keep coming back to that mantra. But it could be changed to when Rs come out to vote they win. When independents come out it tilts the election, etc.

I think this is a false narrative.

Why did people come out to vote for Obama? He had a compelling message. As did Bush before him. As did Clinton before him. As did Reagan before him.

But is it really though? It's simple math there are more Democrats than Republicans, there are more people who identify as independents than both categories but I'd be interested to see how many vote with one party a majority of the time. I'm going to guess it would lean towards Democrat. I mean just look at Bernie Sanders the man identifies as independent but for all intensive purposes he's a Democrat.

It's the reason Republicans have gerrymandered districts and try to suppress minority and young votes. They know that the demographics aren't in their favor. I'd like to know why people didn't come out for Clinton the same way they did for Obama. Trump's message only appealed to white voters yet he won because millions of people decided to stay home.

[Pointgod]

Assuming this is true--I'm not surprised at all.

Read on Twitter

Shocker Trump is pathological liar and unhinged narcissist.

Yep.

The funny thing is if you caught Trump in a moment of honesty he probably aligns politically more with "Crooked Hillary" than he does his with own base.

The man is a blatant opportunist. It's laughable that anyone believed his "I'm not a typical politician act" when he lies much more and is a lot more shameless than the typical politician. It was blatantly obvious even before he became President.

[dckingsfan]

What the author fails to acknowledge is that no Trump doesn’t talk to the forgotten worker but Trump talks to white people of all socioeconomic levels. Blacks, Latinos, Asians and young people overwhelmingly voted for Hillary Clinton. An overwhelming majority of the country disapproves of him. Assuming that Trump is some populous champion and he can speak to the forgotten people makes for think pieces and navel gazing but it’s doesnt acknowledge reality. The people that matter are the millions that turned out for Obama but stayed home for Clinton. It’s a pretty simple formula when Democrats tunout to vote they win.

You keep coming back to that mantra. But it could be changed to when Rs come out to vote they win. When independents come out it tilts the election, etc.

I think this is a false narrative.

Why did people come out to vote for Obama? He had a compelling message. As did Bush before him. As did Clinton before him. As did Reagan before him.

But is it really though? It's simple math there are more Democrats than Republicans, there are more people who identify as independents than both categories but I'd be interested to see how many vote with one party a majority of the time. I'm going to guess it would lean towards Democrat. I mean just look at Bernie Sanders the man identifies as independent but for all intensive purposes he's a Democrat.

It's the reason Republicans have gerrymandered districts and try to suppress minority and young votes. They know that the demographics aren't in their favor. I'd like to know why people didn't come out for Clinton the same way they did for Obama. Trump's message only appealed to white voters yet he won because millions of people decided to stay home.

Actually, 128M voted in 2012 and 135M voted in 2016. Why did those deplorables come out and vote for Trump when they used to vote D?

But to answer your question (from my perspective) - Hillary's message wasn't. It was a garble muck of policy "wonkishness".

The next election(s): The Ds can have a simple message that gets them to the finish line - we aren't Trump. But eventually, they are going to need a compelling message and will need to govern to keep the yoyo from going back to the Rs (IMO).

[stilldropin20]

What the author fails to acknowledge is that no Trump doesn’t talk to the forgotten worker but Trump talks to white people of all socioeconomic levels. Blacks, Latinos, Asians and young people overwhelmingly voted for Hillary Clinton. An overwhelming majority of the country disapproves of him. Assuming that Trump is some populous champion and he can speak to the forgotten people makes for think pieces and navel gazing but it’s doesnt acknowledge reality. The people that matter are the millions that turned out for Obama but stayed home for Clinton. It’s a pretty simple formula when Democrats tunout to vote they win.

You keep coming back to that mantra. But it could be changed to when Rs come out to vote they win. When independents come out it tilts the election, etc.

I think this is a false narrative.

Why did people come out to vote for Obama? He had a compelling message. As did Bush before him. As did Clinton before him. As did Reagan before him.

But is it really though? It's simple math there are more Democrats than Republicans, there are more people who identify as independents than both categories but I'd be interested to see how many vote with one party a majority of the time. I'm going to guess it would lean towards Democrat. I mean just look at Bernie Sanders the man identifies as independent but for all intensive purposes he's a Democrat.

It's the reason Republicans have gerrymandered districts and try to suppress minority and young votes. They know that the demographics aren't in their favor. I'd like to know why people didn't come out for Clinton the same way they did for Obama. Trump's message only appealed to white voters yet he won because millions of people decided to stay home.

Like I said over 30 times. I'm a lifelong democrat and was a half chub bernie supporter. trump changed me.

He created an entirely new party where:

1. Tax cuts for business to spur growth are combined with immigration policies to limit low end labor creates a burgeoning middle class and therefore opens more pathways for the poor and working poor to solidly become middle class.

this is a new concept in government. many promised it. No one has ever delivered. Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump all talked the exact same rhetoric about shutting down our border for illegal immigration and once in office only Trump has delivered on his campaign pledge of enforcing existing immigration laws on the books as well as implementing economic policy that is actually allowing our economy to grow rapidly.

The result is amazing unemployment numbers. Almost shocking unemployment numbers. NO one saw this coming!!!! NO ONE!!

This is going to end up making trump a hero to the poor and working poor. Wait and see! And "republicans" are just not suppose to be heros to this group. Its an odd mix but its happening. I assume its because he he has hired a ton of non union carpenters through the years in his real estate dealings and therefor identifies with them on some level. I know that I have and do on some level as well but i would have never thought Trump would.

While he is already becoming a hero of the middle class. Nothing is stopping this man is going from going down as GOAT president in the modern era. The ground work is all laid out: 1. Complete failure of a presidency before him to do anything but continue both national and international quagmires. 2. Leading to self destruction within the US. 3. All of which combined to created a secret national crisis. 4. All of which can be averted and thwarted with simple and better policy decisions. 5. And Trump is striking Gold on nearly all of his policy decisions.

It goes without saying that Wall street(both national and international) loves him (his policies) which we need for growth.

At this rate, the only people left at the station holding their bags are the completely disingenuous elite liberals and the fools at the bottom of the food chain that follow them. And even they are significantly benefitting from the Trump presidency albeit kicking and screaming along the way.

Imagine if they get on board!!!??? Imagine the policy he can implement!!!! If these last straggling idiots(that know it all) could get out of their own way and on board. Imagine!! we could likely pay down the deficit perhaps even before trump leaves office. Balance the budget for good and enact an amendment declaring that the budget must be balanced each and every single year and can only run a deficit in times of war. We could completely undo the federal reserve act and instead of issuing bonds (and paying interest on those bonds), the federal government could instead issue notes(legal tender, interest free). We could Fix campaign finance reform once and for all and forever closing down all loopholes for large donors to create pay to play schemes which sell out the american people to those large donors.

and lastly if we all got together, we the people, could force congress to enact fair and final tax reform where all the carve outs and loop holes are fully closed forever. I'm talking an amendment to the constitution that makes it illegal to hoard wealth. All trust and foundation loopholes fully closed. And a death tax of at least 50% above 20 million. I'm on record of preferring 80% above 5 million.

And then use all of this new wealth directly on education in the poor neighborhoods. Put our poor and working poor class to work and with better and higher paying jobs. Once we take care of them? then we can open out borders again to lower end working class immigrants.

And new immigration policies should exist where each and every single immigrant is very low paid($7-8 per hour) manufacturing employee for a number of years...say 4. Then they become a medium(low) paid $10-12 civil servant for 4 years. then serves in the military for 4 years (at standard military pay). and then and only then, are they granted full citizenship. Then we will have created true patriots that love this country and want to be here for the long haul. And people from all across the globe would jump at that opportunity!!! Jump at it!!! Hundred of millions from south and central america as well as from Asian and Middle eastern countries would do all of that!! The US would increase its population so as to compete better with China on manufacturing and militarily.

We could get all of that done in a matter of years with a guy like Trump at the helm. And enact amendments so no other congress and president (like woodrew wilson) could come along and screw things up again. too badly.

[Ruzious]

Assuming this is true--I'm not surprised at all.

Read on Twitter

Shocker Trump is pathological liar and unhinged narcissist.

Yep.

The funny thing is if you caught Trump in a moment of honesty he probably aligns politically more with "Crooked Hillary" than he does his with own base.

Bottom line - it's an example of how he really doesn't give a damn about issues. All he cares about is feeding his own ego and power. Political issues are for #Losers.

[Pointgod]

You keep coming back to that mantra. But it could be changed to when Rs come out to vote they win. When independents come out it tilts the election, etc.

I think this is a false narrative.

Why did people come out to vote for Obama? He had a compelling message. As did Bush before him. As did Clinton before him. As did Reagan before him.

But is it really though? It's simple math there are more Democrats than Republicans, there are more people who identify as independents than both categories but I'd be interested to see how many vote with one party a majority of the time. I'm going to guess it would lean towards Democrat. I mean just look at Bernie Sanders the man identifies as independent but for all intensive purposes he's a Democrat.

It's the reason Republicans have gerrymandered districts and try to suppress minority and young votes. They know that the demographics aren't in their favor. I'd like to know why people didn't come out for Clinton the same way they did for Obama. Trump's message only appealed to white voters yet he won because millions of people decided to stay home.

Like I said over 30 times. I'm a lifelong democrat and was a half chub bernie supporter. trump changed me.

He created an entirely new party where:

1. Tax cuts for business to spur growth are combined with immigration policies to limit low end labor creates a burgeoning middle class and therefore opens more pathways for the poor and working poor to solidly become middle class.

this is a new concept in government. many promised it. No one has ever delivered. Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump all talked the exact same rhetoric about shutting down our border for illegal immigration and once in office only Trump has delivered on his campaign pledge of enforcing existing immigration laws on the books as well as implementing economic policy that is actually allowing our economy to grow rapidly.

The result is amazing unemployment numbers. Almost shocking unemployment numbers. NO one saw this coming!!!! NO ONE!!

This is going to end up making trump a hero to the poor and working poor. Wait and see! And "republicans" are just not suppose to be heros to this group. Its an odd mix but its happening. I assume its because he he has hired a ton of non union carpenters through the years in his real estate dealings and therefor identifies with them on some level. I know that I have and do on some level as well but i would have never thought Trump would.

While he is already becoming a hero of the middle class. Nothing is stopping this man is going from going down as GOAT president in the modern era. The ground work is all laid out: 1. Complete failure of a presidency before him to do anything but continue both national and international quagmires. 2. Leading to self destruction within the US. 3. All of which combined to created a secret national crisis. 4. All of which can be averted and thwarted with simple and better policy decisions. 5. And Trump is striking Gold on nearly all of his policy decisions.

It goes without saying that Wall street(both national and international) loves him (his policies) which we need for growth.

At this rate, the only people left at the station holding their bags are the completely disingenuous elite liberals and the fools at the bottom of the food chain that follow them. And even they are significantly benefitting from the Trump presidency albeit kicking and screaming along the way.

Imagine if they get on board!!!??? Imagine the policy he can implement!!!! If these last straggling idiots(that know it all) could get out of their own way and on board. Imagine!! we could likely pay down the deficit perhaps even before trump leaves office. Balance the budget for good and enact an amendment declaring that the budget must be balanced each and every single year and can only run a deficit in times of war. We could completely undo the federal reserve act and instead of issuing bonds (and paying interest on those bonds), the federal government could instead issue notes(legal tender, interest free). We could Fix campaign finance reform once and for all and forever closing down all loopholes for large donors to create pay to play schemes which sell out the american people to those large donors.

and lastly if we all got together, we the people, could force congress to enact fair and final tax reform where all the carve outs and loop holes are fully closed forever. I'm talking an amendment to the constitution that makes it illegal to hoard wealth. All trust and foundation loopholes fully closed. And a death tax of at least 50% above 20 million. I'm on record of preferring 80% above 5 million.

And then use all of this new wealth directly on education in the poor neighborhoods. Put our poor and working poor class to work and with better and higher paying jobs. Once we take care of them? then we can open out borders again to lower end working class immigrants.

And new immigration policies should exist where each and every single immigrant is very low paid($7-8 per hour) manufacturing employee for a number of years...say 4. Then they become a medium(low) paid $10-12 civil servant for 4 years. then serves in the military for 4 years (at standard military pay). and then and only then, are they granted full citizenship. Then we will have created true patriots that love this country and want to be here for the long haul. And people from all across the globe would jump at that opportunity!!! Jump at it!!! Hundred of millions from south and central america as well as from Asian and Middle eastern countries would do all of that!! The US would increase its population so as to compete better with China on manufacturing and militarily.

We could get all of that done in a matter of years with a guy like Trump at the helm. And enact amendments so no other congress and president (like woodrew wilson) could come along and screw things up again. too badly.

You could repeat it 30 more times but no one here is believing this lie. You may have fooled yourself into believing this but no one here is buying this crap.

The rest of your post is just insane and contradictory dribble that you always spout.

[Pointgod]

You keep coming back to that mantra. But it could be changed to when Rs come out to vote they win. When independents come out it tilts the election, etc.

I think this is a false narrative.

Why did people come out to vote for Obama? He had a compelling message. As did Bush before him. As did Clinton before him. As did Reagan before him.

But is it really though? It's simple math there are more Democrats than Republicans, there are more people who identify as independents than both categories but I'd be interested to see how many vote with one party a majority of the time. I'm going to guess it would lean towards Democrat. I mean just look at Bernie Sanders the man identifies as independent but for all intensive purposes he's a Democrat.

It's the reason Republicans have gerrymandered districts and try to suppress minority and young votes. They know that the demographics aren't in their favor. I'd like to know why people didn't come out for Clinton the same way they did for Obama. Trump's message only appealed to white voters yet he won because millions of people decided to stay home.

Actually, 128M voted in 2012 and 135M voted in 2016. Why did those deplorables come out and vote for Trump when they used to vote D?

But to answer your question (from my perspective) - Hillary's message wasn't. It was a garble muck of policy "wonkishness".

The next election(s): The Ds can have a simple message that gets them to the finish line - we aren't Trump. But eventually, they are going to need a compelling message and will need to govern to keep the yoyo from going back to the Rs (IMO).

Yeah but how much of that growth tracks with the natural population increase. There was less enthusiasm in key Democratic demographics. Elections like Virginia show that if Dems turnout they win.

I certainly won't disagree with you on better messaging. That's where Republicans have Democrats beat. But the author of that article is talking like Trump had some great political genius. He's literally a guy who says whatever stupid thing pops in his head and he was able to convince enough people willing to try something different.

[closg00]

Assuming this is true--I'm not surprised at all.

Read on Twitter

Shocker Trump is pathological liar and unhinged narcissist.

I was married to a narcissist for 17 years, the narcissist will morph and become who they need to be to get into the good graces of their target. When Trump was hanging with Bill and Hillary, he is on tape correctly saying the economy performs better under Democrats.
To stay in the good graces of those who put him in office (deplorables), he us now playing the role of kinda conservative Repub, he is all-over the place politically, depending on own has been most successful in charming him. Remember the meeting with Chuck & Nancy when he acquiesced to their budget request?

[stilldropin20]

But is it really though? It's simple math there are more Democrats than Republicans, there are more people who identify as independents than both categories but I'd be interested to see how many vote with one party a majority of the time. I'm going to guess it would lean towards Democrat. I mean just look at Bernie Sanders the man identifies as independent but for all intensive purposes he's a Democrat.

It's the reason Republicans have gerrymandered districts and try to suppress minority and young votes. They know that the demographics aren't in their favor. I'd like to know why people didn't come out for Clinton the same way they did for Obama. Trump's message only appealed to white voters yet he won because millions of people decided to stay home.

Like I said over 30 times. I'm a lifelong democrat and was a half chub bernie supporter. trump changed me.

He created an entirely new party where:

1. Tax cuts for business to spur growth are combined with immigration policies to limit low end labor creates a burgeoning middle class and therefore opens more pathways for the poor and working poor to solidly become middle class.

this is a new concept in government. many promised it. No one has ever delivered. Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Trump all talked the exact same rhetoric about shutting down our border for illegal immigration and once in office only Trump has delivered on his campaign pledge of enforcing existing immigration laws on the books as well as implementing economic policy that is actually allowing our economy to grow rapidly.

The result is amazing unemployment numbers. Almost shocking unemployment numbers. NO one saw this coming!!!! NO ONE!!

This is going to end up making trump a hero to the poor and working poor. Wait and see! And "republicans" are just not suppose to be heros to this group. Its an odd mix but its happening. I assume its because he he has hired a ton of non union carpenters through the years in his real estate dealings and therefor identifies with them on some level. I know that I have and do on some level as well but i would have never thought Trump would.

While he is already becoming a hero of the middle class. Nothing is stopping this man is going from going down as GOAT president in the modern era. The ground work is all laid out: 1. Complete failure of a presidency before him to do anything but continue both national and international quagmires. 2. Leading to self destruction within the US. 3. All of which combined to created a secret national crisis. 4. All of which can be averted and thwarted with simple and better policy decisions. 5. And Trump is striking Gold on nearly all of his policy decisions.

It goes without saying that Wall street(both national and international) loves him (his policies) which we need for growth.

At this rate, the only people left at the station holding their bags are the completely disingenuous elite liberals and the fools at the bottom of the food chain that follow them. And even they are significantly benefitting from the Trump presidency albeit kicking and screaming along the way.

Imagine if they get on board!!!??? Imagine the policy he can implement!!!! If these last straggling idiots(that know it all) could get out of their own way and on board. Imagine!! we could likely pay down the deficit perhaps even before trump leaves office. Balance the budget for good and enact an amendment declaring that the budget must be balanced each and every single year and can only run a deficit in times of war. We could completely undo the federal reserve act and instead of issuing bonds (and paying interest on those bonds), the federal government could instead issue notes(legal tender, interest free). We could Fix campaign finance reform once and for all and forever closing down all loopholes for large donors to create pay to play schemes which sell out the american people to those large donors.

and lastly if we all got together, we the people, could force congress to enact fair and final tax reform where all the carve outs and loop holes are fully closed forever. I'm talking an amendment to the constitution that makes it illegal to hoard wealth. All trust and foundation loopholes fully closed. And a death tax of at least 50% above 20 million. I'm on record of preferring 80% above 5 million.

And then use all of this new wealth directly on education in the poor neighborhoods. Put our poor and working poor class to work and with better and higher paying jobs. Once we take care of them? then we can open out borders again to lower end working class immigrants.

And new immigration policies should exist where each and every single immigrant is very low paid($7-8 per hour) manufacturing employee for a number of years...say 4. Then they become a medium(low) paid $10-12 civil servant for 4 years. then serves in the military for 4 years (at standard military pay). and then and only then, are they granted full citizenship. Then we will have created true patriots that love this country and want to be here for the long haul. And people from all across the globe would jump at that opportunity!!! Jump at it!!! Hundred of millions from south and central america as well as from Asian and Middle eastern countries would do all of that!! The US would increase its population so as to compete better with China on manufacturing and militarily.

We could get all of that done in a matter of years with a guy like Trump at the helm. And enact amendments so no other congress and president (like woodrew wilson) could come along and screw things up again. too badly.

You could repeat it 30 more times but no one here is believing this lie. You may have fooled yourself into believing this but no one here is buying this crap.

The rest of your post is just insane and contradictory dribble that you always spout.

drivel, kid. drivel. I know its a basketball website and I'm not the spelling and grammar police. but its funny that you call me out for spelling and grammar errors often yet you have mis-spelled this the same way over 5 times.

and however much you may not want to hear it. I am a left-leaning, liberal-minded, registered democrat that identifies as an independent. Socially, I am almost as liberal as they come. And i fully support the recapturing of wealth from the leisure and ruling class and redistributing it to the working poor and middle class. and to the poor via education, re-instituting family values among the poor and a real pathway for the non working poor to working poor and hopefully middle class. I believe in paying your dues and once you REALLY pay those dues you should be rewarded.

[stilldropin20]

Assuming this is true--I'm not surprised at all.

Read on Twitter

Shocker Trump is pathological liar and unhinged narcissist.

I was married to a narcissist for 17 years, the narcissist will morph and become who they need to be to get into the good graces of their target. When Trump was hanging with Bill and Hillary, he is on tape correctly saying the economy performs better under Democrats.
To stay in the good graces of those who put him in office (deplorables), he us now playing the role of kinda conservative Repub, he is all-over the place politically, depending on own has been most successful in charming him. Remember the meeting with Chuck & Nancy when he acquiesced to their budget request?

Trump has kicked everyone's azz that has gotten in his way or gone up against him. And it isn't close.

Now onto more important things. Tell us more about this narcissist and what she "morphed" into to "get into" the "good graces" of her "target." Pics will help us visualize your intended meaning.

[stilldropin20]

But is it really though? It's simple math there are more Democrats than Republicans, there are more people who identify as independents than both categories but I'd be interested to see how many vote with one party a majority of the time. I'm going to guess it would lean towards Democrat. I mean just look at Bernie Sanders the man identifies as independent but for all intensive purposes he's a Democrat.

It's the reason Republicans have gerrymandered districts and try to suppress minority and young votes. They know that the demographics aren't in their favor. I'd like to know why people didn't come out for Clinton the same way they did for Obama. Trump's message only appealed to white voters yet he won because millions of people decided to stay home.

Actually, 128M voted in 2012 and 135M voted in 2016. Why did those deplorables come out and vote for Trump when they used to vote D?

But to answer your question (from my perspective) - Hillary's message wasn't. It was a garble muck of policy "wonkishness".

The next election(s): The Ds can have a simple message that gets them to the finish line - we aren't Trump. But eventually, they are going to need a compelling message and will need to govern to keep the yoyo from going back to the Rs (IMO).

Yeah but how much of that growth tracks with the natural population increase. There was less enthusiasm in key Democratic demographics. Elections like Virginia show that if Dems turnout they win.

I certainly won't disagree with you on better messaging. That's where Republicans have Democrats beat. But the author of that article is talking like Trump had some great political genius. He's literally a guy who says whatever stupid thing pops in his head and he was able to convince enough people willing to try something different.

"better messaging." You have no message. How 'bout start with a manufacturing an actual message. Anything!

What are you going to do? Why? and how does it help? how are you going to pay for it? Give me one issue and answer all those questions. one thing. anything!