Political Roundtable Part XXIII

[gtn130]

It's fake news.

Because Trump denied it on Twitter? Haha ok sure. The guy never EVER lies, so that totally checks out.

[TGW]

Uh oh...looks like the Russiagate conspiracy theory is going to die an ugly death. Even hack POLITICO is saying it:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754

And the Democrats lose again. Instead of pushing Medicare for All (and not the terrible ACA), a living wage, legalized MJ, strong unions, free college...you know...good stuff the American people are in favor of...they peddled this ****. And now it's going to fizzle out.

I wonder what Maddow is going to talk about now that her conspiracy theory is about to get debunked.

[stilldropin20]

Uh oh...looks like the Russiagate conspiracy theory is going to die an ugly death. Even hack POLITICO is saying it:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754

And the Democrats lose again. Instead of pushing Medicare for All (and not the terrible ACA), a living wage, legalized MJ, strong unions, free college...you know...good stuff the American people are in favor of...they peddled this ****. And now it's going to fizzle out.

I wonder what Maddow is going to talk about now that her conspiracy theory is about to get debunked.

look...for 2 years nate and I dubunkeed this thing ad nausea.

its common sense...if anything was "there" you would have seen a ton of leaks. Trump was going after Mueller and rosenstein almost daily...and viciously! There is NO WAY IN HELL that when Ros. held press conferences that he would have held back.

And really???? THIS MUELLER INVESTIGATION is why the country is divided. The democrats tried to impeach a duly elected president. And based on completely made up lies!!!!!!

THAT is what diviced the country. THAT is what put trump oncounter punching on the ropses for his entire first year in office.

ONLY a billionaire could have withstood the pressure that the media and democrats spun up on TRUMP and his campaign.

And YES, I'm still pissed off about it!!!! THAT is NOT how you win elections in this country!!! And the ALMOST got away with it.

With that said, they still sprung up all kinds of HATRED toward Trump and the GOP in general...why??? I mean i cant even teach liberals how to build wealth so they can experience their own piece of financial freedom without them thinking that building wealth is evil???? WHAT has happened to americans!!!??? The country is based on capitalism!!! And capitalism works better than any other type of financial system.

capitalism is NOT the problem. Globalism is however...we cant allow money to be made here in america on the backs of our citizens and tax payers and ALLOW that money to LEAVE our US banking systems!!!

We MUST keep the capital here in the US. AND we MUST tax it.

To keep it HERE in the US, we must keep manufacturing and production here in the US.

To keep wages high for those lower skilled jobs, we MUST minimize immigration (legal and illegal) of unskilled workers so as to control the supply of unskilled workers. Limit the supply and the demand increases!!! (its a 5000 year old proven law of exchange). It works. Mimize the supply and demand increases. <--And That is how you increase wages for everyone!!! And even make employers pay for benefits again!!

[dckingsfan]

Trump!

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-tumbles-more-than-200-points-as-government-bond-yields-extend-surge-higher-2018-10-04

[dckingsfan]

Uh oh...looks like the Russiagate conspiracy theory is going to die an ugly death. Even hack POLITICO is saying it:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754

And the Democrats lose again. Instead of pushing Medicare for All (and not the terrible ACA), a living wage, legalized MJ, strong unions, free college...you know...good stuff the American people are in favor of...they peddled this ****. And now it's going to fizzle out.

I wonder what Maddow is going to talk about now that her conspiracy theory is about to get debunked.

actually... they are starting to go down the right path. Check out the proposals for drug costs - just doing "medicare for all" won't get it done without bills like this... nicely done Ds.

[Ruzious]

Trump!

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-tumbles-more-than-200-points-as-government-bond-yields-extend-surge-higher-2018-10-04

It's all the Fed's fault. Haven't you learned by now, dckingsfan? When the market's done well, it's been all because of Trump. When it goes down, it's the Fed's fault or someone else's.

[Induveca]

Trump!

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-tumbles-more-than-200-points-as-government-bond-yields-extend-surge-higher-2018-10-04

DCK when did you become partisan? I always respected you (and still do) for not being an attack-dog finger pointing type.....

Happy I’m out of the US if the toxicity even turned you. You were our referee! That being said I began investing when the DJIA was at 5k.

Also the Dow is up 500 today’s after the 600 point drop. I dropped a ton of cash into it at close yesterday. Emotion and fake bombs don’t drive the market, but temporary panic and algo trading certainly can for a day.

[gtn130]

Trump!

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-tumbles-more-than-200-points-as-government-bond-yields-extend-surge-higher-2018-10-04

DCK when did you become partisan? I always respected you (and still do) for not being an attack-dog finger pointing type.....

Happy I’m out of the US if the toxicity even turned you. You were our referee! That being said I began investing when the DJIA was at 5k.

Also the Dow is up 500 today’s after the 600 point drop. I dropped a ton of cash into it at close yesterday. Emotion and fake bombs don’t drive the market, but temporary panic and algo trading certainly can for a day.

Do you not think that Trump claiming 100% absolute credit every time the stock market rises should result in him receiving 100% absolute blame when it falls?

[Induveca]

Trump!

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-tumbles-more-than-200-points-as-government-bond-yields-extend-surge-higher-2018-10-04

DCK when did you become partisan? I always respected you (and still do) for not being an attack-dog finger pointing type.....

Happy I’m out of the US if the toxicity even turned you. You were our referee! That being said I began investing when the DJIA was at 5k.

Also the Dow is up 500 today’s after the 600 point drop. I dropped a ton of cash into it at close yesterday. Emotion and fake bombs don’t drive the market, but temporary panic and algo trading certainly can for a day.

Do you not think that Trump claiming 100% absolute credit every time the stock market rises should result in him receiving 100% absolute blame when it falls?

I don’t really see him much on tv in Hong Kong. With the Hang Seng, FTSE and DJIA I mostly am just investing where my algorithms point me.....

The data on his tax cuts skyrocketing the market is obvious, the October dips have more to due with the fed rates and this dubious bomb ploy.

I have no problem with him taking credit, happened under his watch. The Dow is up nearly 8000 points since he has become president. A 100 point loss over 2 days is a blip. Him going on tv and taking credit for a 1.2% drop after a 33% gain seems illogical? Do I wish he was less abrasive NYC tycoon while president and just let the markets roll? Yes. But whatever he is doing is working, despite his personality. Just an NYV tycoon obsessed with upward trending numbers.

But I’m very happy with the markets/economy/ease of doing business. The ROI, for businesses, with him as president has been wonderful. Social stuff? Not as invested. I grew up seeing real poverty and oppression, and I could care less about transgender groups etc. I’m all about building wealth. I realize this is against the Milennial mantras, but I just don’t care about many of the social issues they care about.....they don’t ring true to my 3rd world ears.

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[gtn130]

Induveca, you didn't really answer me question. You just talked a lot about your business investments.

[Induveca]

Induveca, you didn't really answer me question. You just talked a lot about your business investments.

Sorry, wasn’t my intent.

Sure he can take credit/blame for a 1.2% drop over a few days. Just seems illogical and a waste of time?

But 31.5% gain in 2 years vs a 1.2% drop is miniscule. Am I missing your point? If so please let me know.

Should he take credit up or down definitely.

[dckingsfan]

Trump!

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-tumbles-more-than-200-points-as-government-bond-yields-extend-surge-higher-2018-10-04

DCK when did you become partisan? I always respected you (and still do) for not being an attack-dog finger pointing type.....

Happy I’m out of the US if the toxicity even turned you. You were our referee! That being said I began investing when the DJIA was at 5k.

Also the Dow is up 500 today’s after the 600 point drop. I dropped a ton of cash into it at close yesterday. Emotion and fake bombs don’t drive the market, but temporary panic and algo trading certainly can for a day.

Indu - it was a joke - left over from a Political Roundtable Part XX or somewhere around there... the joke is when Trump was taking credit for the rise in the stock market…

The volatility is definitely make people worry (hoping it drives some to the polls). I am all for seeing the Ds take the house to stop the Trump non-sense. Just think of this post as my fake news

[dckingsfan]

Whoever that president was in 2008 to 2016 should get the credit, no?

[dckingsfan]

And it is funny watching Trump complain about the FED raising interest rates... while at the same time presiding over a nasty increase in the deficit (which is one thing for which I give him absolute credit).

[gtn130]

Read on Twitter

[dckingsfan]

Read on Twitter

That is a bit worrisome actually... I hope this expansion doesn't run out of steam too soon. That wouldn't be good for anyone.

[stilldropin20]

Whoever that president was in 2008 to 2016 should get the credit, no?

at least this chart is almost honest.

Fact is we were at 15,000 in 2007. it took obama until 2014 to stabilize GDP at (a miserable) 1.8% and get the dow over 15,000.

so i just dont understand why6 you feel it is so necessary to give credit for getting back to where we already were in 2007? The real growth occured from 2014-2016 when he took us from (the original 2007 levels) of 15,000 to 18,000.

And a lot of the enthusiasm from 16,600 to 18,000 was from the day trump got elected until Trump was sworn in.<--because trump ran on corporate tax cuts. Recall...trump was floating 15% corporate rates on the campaign trail. settled on 21.5%.

You really need to work on your honesty, though...constantly cutting off charts and graphs to spin a fake narrative...fact is Obama took us through the slowest recovery in american history. AND he let the banks off the hook.

There are a bunch of "smart guys" in this thread...so i pose the exact same question that i asked 2 years ago: Why let the banks off of the hook? Why!!??? We could have easily not bailed them out and when AIG couldn't make good on their loans...the whole banking system would have crumbled. And we could have forgiven everyone debt... including our own deficit ...erased all business debt...erased all personal debt....erased all debt on all houses...every keeps their homes!!

^^^Why not???^^^ Start over...ground zero. Amil out deeds and titles. everyone keeps their car and their house and their condo.
It could have easily been done!!!

And to make it up to the plebs who weren't smart enough to purchase a home we could have government imposed lower rental rates....basically lowered the cost of living across the board!!

That is what i would have done! If the banks could not pay off their loans then we should have not paid back the banks. Which would have cause complete and entire collapse of all banks around the globe. they all would have collapsed. rewrite our 13th amendment where rates can NOT exceed 6% (for anything). make new banks. ground zero. start over!

[Pointgod]

Uh oh...looks like the Russiagate conspiracy theory is going to die an ugly death. Even hack POLITICO is saying it:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754

And the Democrats lose again. Instead of pushing Medicare for All (and not the terrible ACA), a living wage, legalized MJ, strong unions, free college...you know...good stuff the American people are in favor of...they peddled this ****. And now it's going to fizzle out.

I wonder what Maddow is going to talk about now that her conspiracy theory is about to get debunked.

Do you even bother to read the articles that you posted? Or pay attention to the fact that Democrats are campaigning on everything you’ve mentioned while Republicans are campaigning on their racist caravan garbage. In fact do you contribute anything to this thread of than being a Debbie downer?

[dckingsfan]

Trump!

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-tumbles-more-than-200-points-as-government-bond-yields-extend-surge-higher-2018-10-04

DCK when did you become partisan? I always respected you (and still do) for not being an attack-dog finger pointing type.....

Happy I’m out of the US if the toxicity even turned you. You were our referee! That being said I began investing when the DJIA was at 5k.

Also the Dow is up 500 today’s after the 600 point drop. I dropped a ton of cash into it at close yesterday. Emotion and fake bombs don’t drive the market, but temporary panic and algo trading certainly can for a day.

Do you not think that Trump claiming 100% absolute credit every time the stock market rises should result in him receiving 100% absolute blame when it falls?

It has to burn at Trump that the job growth is still at the same vector, GDP growth still at the same vector, DJ still at the same vector and only the deficit is going the wrong direction faster...

[stilldropin20]

DCK when did you become partisan? I always respected you (and still do) for not being an attack-dog finger pointing type.....

Happy I’m out of the US if the toxicity even turned you. You were our referee! That being said I began investing when the DJIA was at 5k.

Also the Dow is up 500 today’s after the 600 point drop. I dropped a ton of cash into it at close yesterday. Emotion and fake bombs don’t drive the market, but temporary panic and algo trading certainly can for a day.

Do you not think that Trump claiming 100% absolute credit every time the stock market rises should result in him receiving 100% absolute blame when it falls?

It has to burn at Trump that the job growth is still at the same vector, GDP growth still at the same vector, DJ still at the same vector and only the deficit is going the wrong direction faster...

no it shouldn't. another point i keep trying to make to you...there are only so many citizen in the US...once they are all employed, and bought all of their "new stuff"...there cant be much growth beyond that. UNtil we allow people back in the country at massive rates...but...that is not the thing to do yet because wages are stagnant

Trump is just now getting us to those supernova rocket fuel levels...points...where everyone that wants a job, has a job. Stay here for a while...get american back to work!!! Then reduce entitlements to get the last of thev dissillusioned lazyass stragglers back into the participating positively into the economy.

Then in 1-2 years...after entitlements are significantly reduced...after wages have risen...after unions get back some of the ground they lost over the past 30 years...as goods sold in america and more and more made in america...once we get there...

THEN let people back into the country so as to continue growth.

But for now??? Just keep climbing out of the OBAMA super depression and just keep climbing back to 1960's level employment.