Cade Cunningham

[clyde21]

lol, how did Oklahoma St. underperform?

Markelle Fultz didn't even lead Washington to the tournament

You’re right it wasn’t close to the garbage performance of Fultz’s team, but losing in the round of 32 isn’t great for a team ranked 11th by the AP.

1) a team with Zion, RJ, Cam and Tre Jones went 1 round further, doesn't mean ****

2) they were ranked 11th specifically b/c of Cade...what was their preseason ranking the year before?

yall really grasping at straws here. Cade is is not perfect prospect, but these last few pages have been filled with just garbage takes.

[DCasey91]

22/6/5 are really nice numbers for Cade on a 40% 3 ball in his prime. That’s kind of what I’m looking at here.

I see All Star more then top ten player in the comp.

His in between /middle game and handle needs the most work imo. Those things can overcome limitations.

But I seriously doubt he’ll have Rookie Luka type tricks in his arsenal. Never saw anything from his scoring to his facilitating to suggest that.

More polished then Barrett, Smaller then Tatum. Somewhere in the middle.

[buzzkilloton]

lol, how did Oklahoma St. underperform?

Markelle Fultz didn't even lead Washington to the tournament

You’re right it wasn’t close to the garbage performance of Fultz’s team, but losing in the round of 32 isn’t great for a team ranked 11th by the AP.

Theirs been a bunch of good pros who couldnt even make the tourney. Simmons,Dame,PG13, and Klay couldnt even get there. I'm sure their is plenty more thats just some big names I know of.

Kevin Durant lost in the 2nd round in a 4 5 game to USC by 19 points in the NCAA tourney where Durant was the 4 seed. Durant had another NBA player on his team thats hd a really good career in Dj Aug. You can find all kinds of examples like that if you look through history of college basketball. Not sure why its even relevent.

[The Moose]

Tatum is a good comparison but I think a better Celtics wing comparison is Paul Pierce. Height/frame/strength/athleticism/wingspan are almost identical. The manner in which they score is very similar too, although Cade is projecting potentially as a better perimeter shooter.

[buzzkilloton]

Summary
Cunningham is one of the more complete prospects to come through the draft process in a while. There aren’t many holes to his game. He’s a three-level scorer now because of his shooting improvement. He hits 40 percent from 3 and finishes at the rim. He can make high-level passing reads and plays unselfishly. He defends at a high level. He’s a high-character player. He’s clutch and loves the biggest moments, with a proven track record of success during them. He has elite size for the role he’ll play. There is a case that he is the most bust-proof prospect to enter the NBA in a long while. The worst-case scenario for Cunningham is high-level wing creator who can shoot and make high-level passing reads while defending. It’s reasonable to quibble with his upside athletically, as he may struggle more against elite-level NBA defenders with size and length to match his own. But there aren’t a ton of those guys in the NBA. If you wanted to say a different player in this draft has the highest upside, I wouldn’t agree, but I’d at least understand. But there is no higher floor in this class, and Cunningham’s upside is legitimately being a top-five player in the league at some point given how complete his game is.

This is from Sam Vecenie the athletic draft guide that just came out. Its just the summary he goes in even more detail of strengths and weaknesses. I'd highly suggest getting the athletic for at least the draft time lots of good stuff by far the best sports coverage out there these days.

Hes higher on him then Hollinger. Hollinger sees Cade more of a Tatum/Middleton type. Sam sees a possible top 5 player in the league. Sams been covering Cade since high school he watches them from highschool ball on . Hollinger also has Cade one like Sam fwiw.

https://theathletic.com/2718151/2021/07/21/top-100-nba-draft-prospects-for-2021-final-rankings-tiers-and-big-board/

[Big J]

lol, how did Oklahoma St. underperform?

Markelle Fultz didn't even lead Washington to the tournament

You’re right it wasn’t close to the garbage performance of Fultz’s team, but losing in the round of 32 isn’t great for a team ranked 11th by the AP.

1) a team with Zion, RJ, Cam and Tre Jones went 1 round further, doesn't mean ****

2) they were ranked 11th specifically b/c of Cade...what was their preseason ranking the year before?

yall really grasping at straws here. Cade is is not perfect prospect, but these last few pages have been filled with just garbage takes.

The problem is that he is the consensus number 1 overall from every media member who does a mock draft. Anyone who dissents from that narrative is accused of having a "garbage take". This is the same thing that people who dissented from Fultz being drafted number 1 were being told also. Most of us that don't think Cade will be a star still think he's going to be solid pro.

[Big J]

Tatum is a good comparison but I think a better Celtics wing comparison is Paul Pierce. Height/frame/strength/athleticism/wingspan are almost identical. The manner in which they score is very similar too, although Cade is projecting potentially as a better perimeter shooter.

Cade's footwork isn't in the same galaxy as Pierce or Tatums.

[clyde21]

You’re right it wasn’t close to the garbage performance of Fultz’s team, but losing in the round of 32 isn’t great for a team ranked 11th by the AP.

1) a team with Zion, RJ, Cam and Tre Jones went 1 round further, doesn't mean ****

2) they were ranked 11th specifically b/c of Cade...what was their preseason ranking the year before?

yall really grasping at straws here. Cade is is not perfect prospect, but these last few pages have been filled with just garbage takes.

The problem is that he is the consensus number 1 overall from every media member who does a mock draft. Anyone who dissents from that narrative is accused of having a "garbage take". This is the same thing that people who dissented from Fultz being drafted number 1 were being told also. Most of us that don't think Cade will be a star still think he's going to be solid pro.

uhm, he's not a consensus #1 guy really, i have Mobley #1 myself, but you don't need to have Cade #1 to isolate the garbage takes (like his team underperformed, or he doesn't have highlights on sportscenter).

[clyde21]

Tatum is a good comparison but I think a better Celtics wing comparison is Paul Pierce. Height/frame/strength/athleticism/wingspan are almost identical. The manner in which they score is very similar too, although Cade is projecting potentially as a better perimeter shooter.

Cade's footwork isn't in the same galaxy as Pierce or Tatums.

why are u acting like you have any clue what Tatum's footwork looked like at Duke?

[Big J]

Tatum is a good comparison but I think a better Celtics wing comparison is Paul Pierce. Height/frame/strength/athleticism/wingspan are almost identical. The manner in which they score is very similar too, although Cade is projecting potentially as a better perimeter shooter.

Cade's footwork isn't in the same galaxy as Pierce or Tatums.

why are u acting like you have any clue what Tatum's footwork looked like at Duke?

Tatums always had better footwork. Check whatever footage you want. There is more artistry to the way he plays. Cades style included a lot more bully ball and step back 3s. Neither of those things are going to be as easy at the next level for him against longer stronger opponents.

[tmorgan]

At some point, you just have to move on. Almost every prospect has those that dissent, and they always have reasons that make sense to them.

I find it hard to argue about Cade, especially with those that talk about “having it” or his turnover rate. Cade was more than the engine for OK State, he was the engine, the wheels, and heck the whole drive train. He had the ball in his hands nearly every possession he was on the floor, looking to make plays for himself or others, who often had a hard time converting. We simply haven’t seen a decent sample of Cade playing with other quality players.

To me, it’s pretty basic. Put a guy that’s willing to pass, can shoot, and has the size and instincts to see the floor alongside other quality players and he’s going to look even better. Yes, he will initially have some trouble with NBA defenses, as his handle needs work and he needs to get stronger, but the basis for becoming an outstanding player is already there. He works hard, isn’t scared, can shoot, can pass, can move his feet, has touch, has vision, has a solid frame, and is a leader. He’s 19. His prime is four to six years away.

Bey to hit on the wing. Lobs to Stewart. Jerami on the wing or on the cut. He had almost none of that to work with before.

I won’t even predict he’ll be ROY. If Houston takes Green he probably has the best shot at it, as he might be the only rookie to average 20 ppg. Doesn’t bother me. Cade is stone with many facets, and getting him to polish his game has to be the #1 priority for Detroit going forward. If you don’t see it, all good. It’ll be sweeter that way.

[The Moose]

Tatum is a good comparison but I think a better Celtics wing comparison is Paul Pierce. Height/frame/strength/athleticism/wingspan are almost identical. The manner in which they score is very similar too, although Cade is projecting potentially as a better perimeter shooter.

Cade's footwork isn't in the same galaxy as Pierce or Tatums.

lol, yes it is, especially at the college level.

I see you in a lot of posts wondering why people are always arguing with you, specifically, about Cade.
It's because you have a view of him not based in reality. There isn't anybody claiming he is a perfect/flawless prospect, but when you are making claims that are pretty much universally disagreed with, of course people are going to disagree with you. You've repeatedly said Cade is boring (as if that actually means anything in evaluating a prospect), Cade is a bad leader who doesn't care about winning and only cares about stats and that he has terrible bball iq and bad footwork.
The majority of people that have watched Cade play would argue most of these areas are significant strengths of his, not major weaknesses.

[CptCrunch]

Cade's footwork isn't in the same galaxy as Pierce or Tatums.

why are u acting like you have any clue what Tatum's footwork looked like at Duke?

Tatums always had better footwork. Check whatever footage you want. There is more artistry to the way he plays. Cades style included a lot more bully ball and step back 3s. Neither of those things are going to be as easy at the next level for him against longer stronger opponents.

Also faster opponents.

Cade was a skill player, but played a very physical style based on his size and strength. He didn't have the speed even for the college against fringe NBA potential atheletes.

It is not clear to me (or probably anyone) what kind of offense translate. Sometimes these bully ball players fall flat, other times they translate.

[Charm]

I honestly didn't see much physicality from Cade, except maybe when he had a mismatch against a much smaller defender. Are there any examples of him finishing strong against a defender who at least vaguely resembles an NBA wing?

[clyde21]

Cade's footwork isn't in the same galaxy as Pierce or Tatums.

why are u acting like you have any clue what Tatum's footwork looked like at Duke?

Tatums always had better footwork. Check whatever footage you want. There is more artistry to the way he plays. Cades style included a lot more bully ball and step back 3s. Neither of those things are going to be as easy at the next level for him against longer stronger opponents.

at some point you just gotta admit you don't know what ur talking about and move on, instead of doubling down with bad takes over and over again.

[Big J]

why are u acting like you have any clue what Tatum's footwork looked like at Duke?

Tatums always had better footwork. Check whatever footage you want. There is more artistry to the way he plays. Cades style included a lot more bully ball and step back 3s. Neither of those things are going to be as easy at the next level for him against longer stronger opponents.

at some point you just gotta admit you don't know what ur talking about and move on, instead of doubling down with bad takes over and over again.

You were probably saying the same thing about people who questioned Fultz as the number one pick.

[clyde21]

Tatums always had better footwork. Check whatever footage you want. There is more artistry to the way he plays. Cades style included a lot more bully ball and step back 3s. Neither of those things are going to be as easy at the next level for him against longer stronger opponents.

at some point you just gotta admit you don't know what ur talking about and move on, instead of doubling down with bad takes over and over again.

You were probably saying the same thing about people who questioned Fultz as the number one pick.

go back and look @ the fultz threads

[buzzkilloton]

Tatum is a good comparison but I think a better Celtics wing comparison is Paul Pierce. Height/frame/strength/athleticism/wingspan are almost identical. The manner in which they score is very similar too, although Cade is projecting potentially as a better perimeter shooter.

Cade's footwork isn't in the same galaxy as Pierce or Tatums.

lol, yes it is, especially at the college level.

I see you in a lot of posts wondering why people are always arguing with you, specifically, about Cade.
It's because you have a view of him not based in reality. There isn't anybody claiming he is a perfect/flawless prospect, but when you are making claims that are pretty much universally disagreed with, of course people are going to disagree with you. You've repeatedly said Cade is boring (as if that actually means anything in evaluating a prospect), Cade is a bad leader who doesn't care about winning and only cares about stats and that he has terrible bball iq and bad footwork.
The majority of people that have watched Cade play would argue most of these areas are significant strengths of his, not major weaknesses.

His Instagram account and interviews he’s given. I’ve done a deep dive on his personality traits.

no, im asking what effect does this have on his ability to play basketball at the NBA level? i understand you don't like his personality, im trying to understand how that lowers him as a prospect in your eyes.

I question the type of leader he can become. Would you want a guy with Andrew Wiggins personality rallying the troops in a high pressure situation?

Its not even worth replying to this guy honestly. He make posts like Cade stole his girl IRL. Its actually strange.

Look at this posts he talks about his personality and says he stalks his instagram. Theirs so much scouting out there on Cade and talk with people who've played with him and nobody questions his personality. This dude watches his instagram and acts like he knows more then everyone about who he is as a person.

[Big J]

Cade's footwork isn't in the same galaxy as Pierce or Tatums.

lol, yes it is, especially at the college level.

I see you in a lot of posts wondering why people are always arguing with you, specifically, about Cade.
It's because you have a view of him not based in reality. There isn't anybody claiming he is a perfect/flawless prospect, but when you are making claims that are pretty much universally disagreed with, of course people are going to disagree with you. You've repeatedly said Cade is boring (as if that actually means anything in evaluating a prospect), Cade is a bad leader who doesn't care about winning and only cares about stats and that he has terrible bball iq and bad footwork.
The majority of people that have watched Cade play would argue most of these areas are significant strengths of his, not major weaknesses.

no, im asking what effect does this have on his ability to play basketball at the NBA level? i understand you don't like his personality, im trying to understand how that lowers him as a prospect in your eyes.

I question the type of leader he can become. Would you want a guy with Andrew Wiggins personality rallying the troops in a high pressure situation?

Its not even worth replying to this guy honestly. He make posts like Cade stole his girl IRL. Its actually strange.

Look at this posts he talks about his personality and says he stalks his instagram. Theirs so much scouting out there on Cade and talk with people who've played with him and nobody questions his personality. This dude watches his instagram and acts like he knows more then everyone about who he is as a person.

Looking at these guys social media accounts is part of the scouting process. If you don’t think that NBA teams are looking at their Instagram accounts you are out of your mind. Hell, most non NBA employers check out the social media accounts of prospective employees before they hire them.

[bkseven]

Hindsight is easy. Fultz shouldn’t have been number one in retrospect but let’s not act like he wasn’t an A tier prospect.

Fultz (if the jumpshot didn’t do a wtf) would go top 4-5 or higher easy in this draft.

He’s a huge two guard. With all the NBA moves (I mean he had serious game on his slashing ability for a freshman).
Was super young too come draft day. I mean even now looking back he did put up great great numbers that year.

Fultz a huge two guard? And, no, he would be a number 4 pick at best battling Suggs. I'd probably put them at 5 as the highest.

I mean have you actually watched Fultz? He’s a big combo guard (wingspan/size all impressive to me) and you were getting him at a super duper young age.

Watching tape he really did have advanced moves and polish for his age demos.

I mean seriously guys Fultz this year would be lotto without a second thought. He wasn’t Oli/or Thabeet level.

Fultz was a legit A class prospect.

Once again hindsight is the easiest thing in the world. Can’t change what Fultz was in College which was high grade draft material.

Won’t be the first and certainly wasn’t the last that didn’t meet expectations but a prospect like that will go in the lotto ad nauseam.

Look at all the other guards this year alone. Fultz is on par with the very top guard prospects. It’s revisionist stuff now.

6’3 for a two guard is huge? Ok… he’s not on par with Cade and the two Jalens. Probably just below Suggs or about the same in terms of pre draft prospects.