Mavs Offseason - 21/22 - what do we do from here?

[JJP]

Lots of reports suggesting a McCollum/Simmons trade.... but the Blazers may actually want more than Simmons for McCollum.

Which gives you some sense of Simmon's value.

It's actually the other way around. 76'ers would rightfully demand more than just CJ McCollum, who will soon turn 30 & is undersized & is a liability on defense.
A team built with Simmon's limitations in mind, could be successful.

Not the rumor I heard. I heard the opposite.

I think the most debilitating part of Simmons is that he cratered in the playoffs. No playoff team wants to even imagine that scenario. It crushed the life out of a team so badly even his teammate said it was a problem.

Basketball is a game of trust. Trust is built over time. How is his new team going to feel when the playoffs come around?

[JD45]

Something has to be going on with Ben outside of basketball in his personal life. I don't believe I have ever seen him play as poorly as he did during the series with Atlanta.


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Simmons said it was mental. Maybe something personal, but I think its a confidence problem. Maybe fear of failure. Something taken to much great levels than normal. Thats why I don't think he can be the #1 or #2 player on a team. He needs to be a super role player to take the pressure off. Then maybe he can rebuild his mental state. Maybe just mature. Then he could reach his potential.

[fuller4379]

https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/dallas-mavs-interest-spencer-dinwiddie-nba-free-agency

I am not a fan of this. Dinwiddie is very inefficient.

[Mr B]

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would love to have holmes and lowry but how can this be possible?? what scenarios need to happen?

[arkuo]

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would love to have holmes and lowry but how can this be possible?? what scenarios need to happen?

-Jrich needs to opt out first.
- Lowry agrees for maybe $12M to $15M
- Re-sign THJ for any amount up to $20M max.
- Holmes signs for the full MLE.

[arkuo]

Better if Dallas can talk THJ into accepting a more reasonable contract. Closer to $14M than $20M so you have more space to get more players. THJ is essentially another Joe Harris or Davis Bertans waiting to happen IMO. Waiting for him to become a Klay Thomson is next to impossible.

[Mavrelous]

I think the Kings will take KP for Hield/Bagley, Mavs move on from KP trade completely, MAX Collins, and sign a OPJ, sign Myers Leonard for the BAE, Boban for the vet min.
Try trading Brunson for Knicks 23 pick, and work out Jrue like trade using Powell+Burke for a PG (If Raps draft Suggs, S&T Lowry for Powell/Burke for 22 1st + 24 1st + 23 +25 swaps).

Maxi/Leonard/Boban
Collins/Bagley
DFS/OPJ/Bey
Luka/Green/Hinton
Hield/Brunson/Burke/Terry

[daoneandonly]

I think the Kings will take KP for Hield/Bagley, Mavs move on from KP trade completely, MAX Collins, and sign a OPJ, sign Myers Leonard for the BAE, Boban for the vet min.
Try trading Brunson for Knicks 23 pick, and work out Jrue like trade using Powell+Burke for a PG (If Raps draft Suggs, S&T Lowry for Powell/Burke for 22 1st + 24 1st + 23 +25 swaps).

Maxi/Leonard/Boban
Collins/Bagley
DFS/OPJ/Bey
Luka/Green/Hinton
Hield/Brunson/Burke/Terry

Hield sucks, you really should get off that train. The guy is a terrible defender and has a pretty pissy attitude. if it was Barnes sure, but I dont want any part of Hield. Rather have THJ between the 2

[arkuo]

I think the Kings will take KP for Hield/Bagley, Mavs move on from KP trade completely, MAX Collins, and sign a OPJ, sign Myers Leonard for the BAE, Boban for the vet min.
Try trading Brunson for Knicks 23 pick, and work out Jrue like trade using Powell+Burke for a PG (If Raps draft Suggs, S&T Lowry for Powell/Burke for 22 1st + 24 1st + 23 +25 swaps).

Maxi/Leonard/Boban
Collins/Bagley
DFS/OPJ/Bey
Luka/Green/Hinton
Hield/Brunson/Burke/Terry

I'd look into getting Barnes from Sactown if it were possible. Sacramento is spending too much for a team that wins too little. They are most likely to lose Holmes. And if they do they need to replace him with another big man. If JRich opts in, I'd look into packaging him + Dwight Powell + a 2nd rounder for Barnes. Saves them money too.

I'd imagine Barnes can provide everything that Kyle Lowry would bring from the SF position instead of the PG position. The veteran leadership, a bit of scoring and defense. And it's a taller team too. Cuban might find it interesting to get old faces back to rally the fans again after the Donnie - Carlisle - Vegas Bob fiasco.

C- Porzingis / WCS
PF- Holmes / Kleber
SF- Barnes / DFS
SG- THJ / Green
PG- Doncic / Brunson / Burke

[fuller4379]

I think the Kings will take KP for Hield/Bagley, Mavs move on from KP trade completely, MAX Collins, and sign a OPJ, sign Myers Leonard for the BAE, Boban for the vet min.
Try trading Brunson for Knicks 23 pick, and work out Jrue like trade using Powell+Burke for a PG (If Raps draft Suggs, S&T Lowry for Powell/Burke for 22 1st + 24 1st + 23 +25 swaps).

Maxi/Leonard/Boban
Collins/Bagley
DFS/OPJ/Bey
Luka/Green/Hinton
Hield/Brunson/Burke/Terry

I'd look into getting Barnes from Sactown if it were possible. Sacramento is spending too much for a team that wins too little. They are most likely to lose Holmes. And if they do they need to replace him with another big man. If JRich opts in, I'd look into packaging him + Dwight Powell + a 2nd rounder for Barnes. Saves them money too.

I'd imagine Barnes can provide everything that Kyle Lowry would bring from the SF position instead of the PG position. The veteran leadership, a bit of scoring and defense. And it's a taller team too. Cuban might find it interesting to get old faces back to rally the fans again after the Donnie - Carlisle - Vegas Bob fiasco.

C- Porzingis / WCS
PF- Holmes / Kleber
SF- Barnes / DFS
SG- THJ / Green
PG- Doncic / Brunson / Burke

Why would Sacramento do this?

[arkuo]

I think the Kings will take KP for Hield/Bagley, Mavs move on from KP trade completely, MAX Collins, and sign a OPJ, sign Myers Leonard for the BAE, Boban for the vet min.
Try trading Brunson for Knicks 23 pick, and work out Jrue like trade using Powell+Burke for a PG (If Raps draft Suggs, S&T Lowry for Powell/Burke for 22 1st + 24 1st + 23 +25 swaps).

Maxi/Leonard/Boban
Collins/Bagley
DFS/OPJ/Bey
Luka/Green/Hinton
Hield/Brunson/Burke/Terry

I'd look into getting Barnes from Sactown if it were possible. Sacramento is spending too much for a team that wins too little. They are most likely to lose Holmes. And if they do they need to replace him with another big man. If JRich opts in, I'd look into packaging him + Dwight Powell + a 2nd rounder for Barnes. Saves them money too.

I'd imagine Barnes can provide everything that Kyle Lowry would bring from the SF position instead of the PG position. The veteran leadership, a bit of scoring and defense. And it's a taller team too. Cuban might find it interesting to get old faces back to rally the fans again after the Donnie - Carlisle - Vegas Bob fiasco.

C- Porzingis / WCS
PF- Holmes / Kleber
SF- Barnes / DFS
SG- THJ / Green
PG- Doncic / Brunson / Burke

Why would Sacramento do this?

Saves them money. JRich should be an expiring. Barnes" contract last for 2 years. Powell essentially replaces Holmes when they lose him in free agency. He's UFA.

The bigger question mark is if JRich would agree to opt in and get sent to Sacramento.

[Bnice5]

I think the Kings will take KP for Hield/Bagley, Mavs move on from KP trade completely, MAX Collins, and sign a OPJ, sign Myers Leonard for the BAE, Boban for the vet min.
Try trading Brunson for Knicks 23 pick, and work out Jrue like trade using Powell+Burke for a PG (If Raps draft Suggs, S&T Lowry for Powell/Burke for 22 1st + 24 1st + 23 +25 swaps).

Maxi/Leonard/Boban
Collins/Bagley
DFS/OPJ/Bey
Luka/Green/Hinton
Hield/Brunson/Burke/Terry

I'd look into getting Barnes from Sactown if it were possible. Sacramento is spending too much for a team that wins too little. They are most likely to lose Holmes. And if they do they need to replace him with another big man. If JRich opts in, I'd look into packaging him + Dwight Powell + a 2nd rounder for Barnes. Saves them money too.

I'd imagine Barnes can provide everything that Kyle Lowry would bring from the SF position instead of the PG position. The veteran leadership, a bit of scoring and defense. And it's a taller team too. Cuban might find it interesting to get old faces back to rally the fans again after the Donnie - Carlisle - Vegas Bob fiasco.

C- Porzingis / WCS
PF- Holmes / Kleber
SF- Barnes / DFS
SG- THJ / Green
PG- Doncic / Brunson / Burke

Generally speaking I like this... I almost think i would go with a very big lineup though with DFS and Barnes both in the starting lineup... you could sub one out at the 5 or 6 minute mark for THJ as your 6th man.

I don't think we would be able to get Barnes for that package though after the year he had this year.

[Mr B]

I think the Kings will take KP for Hield/Bagley, Mavs move on from KP trade completely, MAX Collins, and sign a OPJ, sign Myers Leonard for the BAE, Boban for the vet min.
Try trading Brunson for Knicks 23 pick, and work out Jrue like trade using Powell+Burke for a PG (If Raps draft Suggs, S&T Lowry for Powell/Burke for 22 1st + 24 1st + 23 +25 swaps).

Maxi/Leonard/Boban
Collins/Bagley
DFS/OPJ/Bey
Luka/Green/Hinton
Hield/Brunson/Burke/Terry

I wonder if the Kings would trade KP for Hield/Holmes?


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[Mr B]

I think the Kings will take KP for Hield/Bagley, Mavs move on from KP trade completely, MAX Collins, and sign a OPJ, sign Myers Leonard for the BAE, Boban for the vet min.
Try trading Brunson for Knicks 23 pick, and work out Jrue like trade using Powell+Burke for a PG (If Raps draft Suggs, S&T Lowry for Powell/Burke for 22 1st + 24 1st + 23 +25 swaps).

Maxi/Leonard/Boban
Collins/Bagley
DFS/OPJ/Bey
Luka/Green/Hinton
Hield/Brunson/Burke/Terry

Hield sucks, you really should get off that train. The guy is a terrible defender and has a pretty pissy attitude. if it was Barnes sure, but I dont want any part of Hield. Rather have THJ between the 2

Actually I think if you pair THJ with Hield the Mavs would have a similar pairing like they did with THJ/Curry. Obviously Hield is not the shooter that Curry is but that combo worked great because it seemed like whenever THJ was off (about half the time) Curry would step up. Then when Curry was off (also half the time) THJ would step up.


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[daoneandonly]

I think the Kings will take KP for Hield/Bagley, Mavs move on from KP trade completely, MAX Collins, and sign a OPJ, sign Myers Leonard for the BAE, Boban for the vet min.
Try trading Brunson for Knicks 23 pick, and work out Jrue like trade using Powell+Burke for a PG (If Raps draft Suggs, S&T Lowry for Powell/Burke for 22 1st + 24 1st + 23 +25 swaps).

Maxi/Leonard/Boban
Collins/Bagley
DFS/OPJ/Bey
Luka/Green/Hinton
Hield/Brunson/Burke/Terry

Hield sucks, you really should get off that train. The guy is a terrible defender and has a pretty pissy attitude. if it was Barnes sure, but I dont want any part of Hield. Rather have THJ between the 2

Actually I think if you pair THJ with Hield the Mavs would have a similar pairing like they did with THJ/Curry. Obviously Hield is not the shooter that Curry is but that combo worked great because it seemed like whenever THJ was off (about half the time) Curry would step up. Then when Curry was off (also half the time) THJ would step up.


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Hield makes about 3 times what Curry does, and CUrry is much better. So I still want no part of him. Not to mention he thinks he's too good to come off the bench

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This franchise is an absolute dumpster fire

[arkuo]

Carlisle found employment faster than Cuban replacing his GM.

And now we're talking about Kidd? Didn't Cuban had a rift with Kidd when he left?

If there are no other external candidates, maybe try Mosely? Who knows, he can be Dallas' version of Erik Spoelstra?

[JJP]

Yes, there was a rift between Cuban and Kidd. I think it was patched up. Not sure.

The exact words....

“It’s hard to put an exact finger on it. It’s just a feeling that I had that it would be mutually beneficial,” Carlisle said. “My hope is that Jason Kidd will be the next coach of the Mavs because he and Luka have so many things in common as players.

“I just think that it would be a great situation for Luka, and I think it would be an amazing situation for Jason. I’m the only person on the planet that’s coached both of those guys and that knows about all of their special qualities as basketball players. To me, that just would be a great marriage, but that’s just an opinion.”

[arkuo]

Kidd is concerning because he wasn't a good coach during his time in Milwaukee. But also, he's had a lot of time to learn since then. Maybe he learned a thing or two during his time with the Lakers.