PG - oh no, we suck again

[thebuzzardman]

Peak RJ is Shandon Anderson with a 3 point shot

Is IQ Howard Eisley?

[louisorr]

I don't think RJ's post game is that good

Because he’s such a subpar athlete developing a post game (due to his strength) is something he’ll have to consider. When you have as many limitations as he does you have to think outside the box. Bonzi was also a ferocious rebounder at times. RJ might need to get that mentality as well.

Ah yes. Another thing that RJ can't do that he has to add. It's such a long list. He sort of crossed shooting 3's off it though. One down, approximately 7 different other elite NBA skills to go.

Or a Corliss Williamson 2000 era Sacramento. sort of an invisible yet important 4th or fifth guy who gets tough unspectacular buckets here and there but is too short, stiff and ground bound to get excited about

[nedleeds]

Can't believe the people debating with me about last year being fake haven't deleted their accounts yet.

Fake season, fake Randle, fake coach of the year. Fake, fake, fake and Rose and Clownperry got hoodwinked into signing Randle a year early for no reason.

Welcome to the 2004 Bobcats.

[thebuzzardman]

Because he’s such a subpar athlete developing a post game (due to his strength) is something he’ll have to consider. When you have as many limitations as he does you have to think outside the box. Bonzi was also a ferocious rebounder at times. RJ might need to get that mentality as well.

Ah yes. Another thing that RJ can't do that he has to add. It's such a long list. He sort of crossed shooting 3's off it though. One down, approximately 7 different other elite NBA skills to go.

Or a Corliss Williamson 2000 era Sacramento. sort of an invisible yet important 4th or fifth guy who gets tough unspectacular buckets here and there but is too short, stiff and ground bound to get excited about

I think we have a winner

[RHODEY]

Can't believe the people debating with me about last year being fake haven't deleted their accounts yet.

Fake season, fake Randle, fake coach of the year. Fake, fake, fake and Rose and Clownperry got hoodwinked into signing Randle a year early for no reason.

Welcome to the 2004 Bobcats.

Real draft pick

[Deeeez Knicks]

Because Dolan reads Knicks RealGM?

Because the fans at the arena, twitter, ESPN, etc. And Dolan is well aware of the fans.

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Well, if only he hired people who drafted decent players, then he wouldn't have to hear this noise.

Dolan doesn’t really hear the fans, just like can’t hear how bad his music really is

[thebuzzardman]

Because the fans at the arena, twitter, ESPN, etc. And Dolan is well aware of the fans.

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Well, if only he hired people who drafted decent players, then he wouldn't have to hear this noise.

Dolan doesn’t really hear the fans, just like can’t hear how bad his music really is

Name of his band should be KId Coprophagy & The Stool Pigeons

[Clyde_Style]

Part of the reason is because of our front offices historically do not trust "analytics", and feel they can do without them because they know better.

This organization has been stuck in the stone age since Woody and Grunwald were let go.

Analytics said that the Kemba and Fournier duo would work extremely well:

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What this front office didn’t know, which apparently Boston and OKC did, was that the final injury Walker got in the playoffs was it for his knee.

Honestly if they said screwed the analytics and decided to get “bucket getters” like DeRozan, who has had a negative +\- and net rating for about a decade straight until this year, we’d be better this season.

Maybe the Knicks are just cursed who knows

All you had to do was watch the playoffs and knew Kemba and Fournier was trash

Randle was trash too

And he still got the bag

[aq_ua]

We have two key players that shot over 40% from three last season and are shooting low 30s this season.

Was Thibs sending a message just to RJ, or a thinly veiled shot to a more proud veteran as well?

[JBreezeNY]

Can't believe the people debating with me about last year being fake haven't deleted their accounts yet.

Fake season, fake Randle, fake coach of the year. Fake, fake, fake and Rose and Clownperry got hoodwinked into signing Randle a year early for no reason.

Welcome to the 2004 Bobcats.

Real draft pick

Didn’t we trade that sh*t?

[Capn'O]

See, y'all always take this to the next level. RJ's start has been disappointing but it's not b-word time yet.

[Capn'O]

I think it’s been lost on people that Leon Rose is here because he’s Dolan’s friend. He has no resume for the job he was given. Much like the people before him, Rose falls into the category as ‘big celebrity name hire with no front office resume’ like Isiah or Phil or ‘James Dolan sycophant’ like Mills, Perry, and Grunwald before him.

I'm not a Dolan apologist but as a standalone fact, Leon Rose and his carefully selected executives are good if not great: Perrin, Aller, Frank Zanin etc. I trust that collectively they will turn this around, Dolan needs to stay away and let Rose, WWW and team prove their worth.

Last year they were God-sent, this year they're are worse than sht, typical Knicks RealGM fanbase cutthroats.

They are competent and coherent. That's more than we usually get. We've had a spot of bad luck so far this year.

[Capn'O]

If you want to build around youth and draft picks, you can’t give up on players fast. You have to have patience.

When people say they want a rebuild it really means they just want to draft a superstar. We've had a large amount of 18-21 yr olds on the roster over the last few years and the team is still under .500. Simply drafting youth wont get you anywhere without at least one of them being great and also adding the right kind of vets like CP3.

Fans would trade every kid we have for a top 5 pick. The patience is for repeatedly being in the lotto to find the star, not necessarily for developing the kids who might be mediocre.

Yes and no. If you develop good, young role players those are positive trade assets.

[aq_ua]

I think it’s been lost on people that Leon Rose is here because he’s Dolan’s friend. He has no resume for the job he was given. Much like the people before him, Rose falls into the category as ‘big celebrity name hire with no front office resume’ like Isiah or Phil or ‘James Dolan sycophant’ like Mills, Perry, and Grunwald before him.

I'm not a Dolan apologist but as a standalone fact, Leon Rose and his carefully selected executives are good if not great: Perrin, Aller, Frank Zanin etc. I trust that collectively they will turn this around, Dolan needs to stay away and let Rose, WWW and team prove their worth.

Last year they were God-sent, this year they're are worse than sht, typical Knicks RealGM fanbase cutthroats.

They are competent and coherent. That's more than we usually get. We've had a spot of bad luck so far this year.

For sure - and we haven't been burdened with dead cap space and unmovable contracts, and we still have a ton of draft capital for the future. Recent history isn't always the best metric, but considering where we've come from, it's still a major step forward.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I'm not a Dolan apologist but as a standalone fact, Leon Rose and his carefully selected executives are good if not great: Perrin, Aller, Frank Zanin etc. I trust that collectively they will turn this around, Dolan needs to stay away and let Rose, WWW and team prove their worth.

Last year they were God-sent, this year they're are worse than sht, typical Knicks RealGM fanbase cutthroats.

They are competent and coherent. That's more than we usually get. We've had a spot of bad luck so far this year.

For sure - and we haven't been burdened with dead cap space and unmovable contracts, and we still have a ton of draft capital for the future. Recent history isn't always the best metric, but considering where we've come from, it's still a major step forward.

I would argue that Randle Evan and Kemba are burdens with Kemba being dead cap space. I really don't see any trade involving any of them. Maybe Kemba as filler with a pick or two attached? What team needs a 30mil bench PF? 20mil inconsistent no D SG? Broken leg 10mil PG? Dead cap for two years and Randle for 4.

[aq_ua]

They are competent and coherent. That's more than we usually get. We've had a spot of bad luck so far this year.

For sure - and we haven't been burdened with dead cap space and unmovable contracts, and we still have a ton of draft capital for the future. Recent history isn't always the best metric, but considering where we've come from, it's still a major step forward.

I would argue that Randle Evan and Kemba are burdens with Kemba being dead cap space. I really don't see any trade involving any of them. Maybe Kemba as filler with a pick or two attached? What team needs a 30mil bench PF? 20mil inconsistent no D SG? Broken leg 10mil PG? Dead cap for two years and Randle for 4.

Kemba is a $9mm expiring contract next season, which is basically the average NBA salary. He may even retire or get bought out next season if there's no place for him.

Fornier is a $17mm deal that puts him in the same category as Derrick White, Eric Gordon, Davis Bertrans, Markelle Fultz, i.e. secondary role players. Therefore, he's not paid out of whack for what he provides compared to the rest of the NBA.

Randle, whether you like it or not, is our best player - just not good enough to be a true number one. He'll make a touch more than Draymond Green but less than Derozan, Al Horford, Ingram, Hayward, and CJ McCollum. i.e. in the same range as other second tier star players.

Not that I see Fornier or Randle being moved, but their contracts are fair for the market. Kemba, sure you can say he'll need assets to be moved right now, but his contract is small and won't exactly hamper our team building. Again, all things considered, I'd say we're in decent shape, especially in consideration of where we've come from.

[RHODEY]

Can't believe the people debating with me about last year being fake haven't deleted their accounts yet.

Fake season, fake Randle, fake coach of the year. Fake, fake, fake and Rose and Clownperry got hoodwinked into signing Randle a year early for no reason.

Welcome to the 2004 Bobcats.

Real draft pick

Didn’t we trade that sh*t?

Nope and since there is so much parity in the East we might not have to tank to miss the playoffs and maybe luck into something....

Warriors rebounded quite well after (tank ..cough cough) missing the playoffs . Maybe we could too.

[robillionaire]

Real draft pick

Didn’t we trade that sh*t?

Nope and since there is so much parity in the East we might not have to tank to miss the playoffs and maybe luck into something....

Warriors rebounded quite well after (tank ..cough cough) missing the playoffs . Maybe we could too.

Hopefully we get someone decent but with the Warriors rebounding it’s not been any thanks to the player they drafted with the tank, Wiseman was terrible last year and has been out all year. They also have another top prospect in Kuminga who is in the g league

The drafted Jordan Poole 28th in 2019 and he’s been a great starter this season averaging 18ppg. Unfortunately another guy selected after RJ who looks a lot better.

Literally all they had to do was get steph curry back to turn a tank to one of the best teams in the nba that’s how good he is

[Reign23]

good to see at least a few haven't lost their mind.

[Clyde_Style]

Knicks now 11th in East. Out of the Play-In already.

If they don’t adjust they will fall below the Raptors and then the Pacers and be a bottom 3 team in the EC

Hard to say what happens, but if there is locker room strife and an inability to play as a team and give more consistent effort on defense the Knicks will surely be in the lottery this year