[Shams] - Raptors Now Taking Calls for OG

[PerfectJab]

I think this is a blessing in disguise. OG is too limited offensively and also misses a good 20 games a season. He wants a larger offensive role but he hasn’t demonstrated the ability to take his offense to the next level. His current contract is good value but next one may be an overpay. Knowing our management we’ll try to trade him for 1-2 young guys under cap control plus a 1st.

Players like OG are not a dime a dozen. The proof is in the amount of interest he will have.

It's not about his play style it's about the timeline given the current core and its ability to compete for a championship.

[Clutch0z24]

For the folks who are saying we should target Ayton from the Suns, what do think of his motor/passion for the game? He has some skills and good size, but he seems to coast too much. Is it because he’s upset with the Suns and wants to play elsewhere? Or he just isn’t built like that? Pretty big red flag for me when guys look like they don’t care on the court.

Yeah Hes obviously skilled for a big man and has some flashes of greatness....High FG percentage guy and can rebound at a decent rate....Most likely needs to be traded elsewhere to really have an impact....Seems Ayton on the Suns is the guy to always get blamed for everything....Also CP3 has a bad reputation for treating certain teammates poorly...

The coach doesn't see eye to eye with Ayton and when that happens its almost impossible to play to your potential ....I would welcome Ayton here and see where it goes .....Big men with skills like that don't come everyday so its worth the risk to get one...

I think personally his confidence is shot and he doesn't vibe with his teammates since he is always the fall guy on the team...

[canada_dry]

Be a sad day if ADOBE Monet goes and that deadwoodvv stays.

I want him traded just so i stop reading this nonsense.

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[Los_29]

I will play along and try to provide realistic options. I will start off with a positive from your post in where I would like to see Trent Jr. resigned.

OG to Blazers for Sharpe/Hart/ 1st round pick

OG/Bo Cruz to Pelicans for Daniels/Murphy/Hayes/ 1st round pick

OG to Grizzles for Green/Williams/ 3 1st round picks

OG to Suns for Johnson/Saric/ 3 1st round picks

I would much prefer deals like these over trading for Ayton of all players.

Come down to earth with those suggestions.

Ya, those trade suggestions make it seem like OG is a top 20 player. Regardless of what Zach Lowe says, we are getting nothing like a Donovan Mitchell like package. For 1, he's not close to the calibre of player and 2, he isn't locked up to a long term contract like Mitchell was.

Glad I was able to see your offers so I can dismiss your criticism lol.

To be fair, there were no Donovan Mitchell like packages there. Not only did the Jazz get 3 FRP's (and 2 swaps) but they got Markannen, Sexton and their recent lottery pick in Agbaji.

I think realistically, OG could get a little less than what the Hawks got for Dejounte Murray (3 picks and a swap). The difference is we might get more protections on those picks.

[RapsFanInOhio]

I will play along and try to provide realistic options. I will start off with a positive from your post in where I would like to see Trent Jr. resigned.

OG to Blazers for Sharpe/Hart/ 1st round pick

OG/Bo Cruz to Pelicans for Daniels/Murphy/Hayes/ 1st round pick

OG to Grizzles for Green/Williams/ 3 1st round picks

OG to Suns for Johnson/Saric/ 3 1st round picks

I would much prefer deals like these over trading for Ayton of all players.

Come down to earth with those suggestions.

Ya, those trade suggestions make it seem like OG is a top 20 player. Regardless of what Zach Lowe says, we are getting nothing like a Donovan Mitchell like package. For 1, he's not close to the calibre of player and 2, he isn't locked up to a long term contract like Mitchell was.

Glad I was able to see your offers so I can dismiss your criticism lol.

I think those are pretty ball park. Mitchell was Lauri, Sexton, Agbaji, 3 unprotected and 2 swaps - we definitely aren’t getting that. But 3 firsts is absolutely not out of the question, and the long term deal thing is actually really not that bad because his contract is an absolute value for the next year and a half. The cap is probably jumping after that so an extension becomes even less of an issue.

[The Warrior]

I understand the Raptors wanting to sell high on OG so if they trade him and not Fred I'll be content if it's simply because they couldn't find any suitable partners. It takes two to tango after all. My biggest fear is that the organization values Fred like a franchise player and will do anything to lock him up including overpaying him on his contract. That's a disastrous situation and would set us back for years.

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[CanadianBacon15]

I will play along and try to provide realistic options. I will start off with a positive from your post in where I would like to see Trent Jr. resigned.

OG to Blazers for Sharpe/Hart/ 1st round pick

OG/Bo Cruz to Pelicans for Daniels/Murphy/Hayes/ 1st round pick

OG to Grizzles for Green/Williams/ 3 1st round picks

OG to Suns for Johnson/Saric/ 3 1st round picks

I would much prefer deals like these over trading for Ayton of all players.

Come down to earth with those suggestions.

Ya, those trade suggestions make it seem like OG is a top 20 player. Regardless of what Zach Lowe says, we are getting nothing like a Donovan Mitchell like package. For 1, he's not close to the calibre of player and 2, he isn't locked up to a long term contract like Mitchell was.

Glad I was able to see your offers so I can dismiss your criticism lol.

Have you not seen what players are going for now a days? Plus every single team wants him. It is not like the Raptors are getting back an All-Star plus a bunch of picks like the Jazz did for Mitchell in my proposes. They are realistic as asking prices and maybe you get a little less but they are getting a haul of prospects and picks for him not some guy in Ayton who would rather play video games and sulk then work on his game. He is the same player he was as a rookie. I do not think you seem to understand that picks from the teams the Raptors would being trading OG to would be late 1st. Settle down.

[Los_29]

I understand the Raptors wanting to sell high on OG so if they trade him and not Fred I'll be content if it's simply because they couldn't find any suitable partners. It takes two to tango after all. My biggest fear is that the organization values Fred like a franchise player and will do anything to lock him up including overpaying him on his contract. That's a disastrous situation and would set us back for years.

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There is no reason to think that. LOL.

[navyblue]

Dejonte Murray got 2 unprotected picks and Charlotte pick that's lottery protected then seconds. Spurs also had to pick up the Gallo contract.

Few years ago, Holliday was traded to bucks for 24th overall pick and 2 far future 1st picks and pelicans had to pick up a couple of bad contracts, Eric bledsoe etc.

We know the market. 3 picks and a bad asset.

[The Warrior]

I understand the Raptors wanting to sell high on OG so if they trade him and not Fred I'll be content if it's simply because they couldn't find any suitable partners. It takes two to tango after all. My biggest fear is that the organization values Fred like a franchise player and will do anything to lock him up including overpaying him on his contract. That's a disastrous situation and would set us back for years.

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There is no reason to think that. LOL.

Somewhat true but if you're paying attention to our media you'll notice how much they love Fred. They seemingly don't and will never criticize him. Our media is not allowed to state their own opinions to a degree since that might go against the interests of the Raptors. My hope is that they're doing this to boost Fred's value lol.

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[JRoy]

I don't see them moving Sharpe either.

You need some form of hope alive within the fanbase and Sharpe is that, regardless if he ends up being a JR Smith type player or a future all star.

Agreed.

I think he will end up somewhere between JR Smith and Zach Levine. Not bad, and possibly very good.

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Nice to see reasonable takes between 2 fan bases.

Especially POR and TOR!

[dgr81]

I know memphis wouldn't do this, but I would love this trade

[Basketball_Jones]

I understand the Raptors wanting to sell high on OG so if they trade him and not Fred I'll be content if it's simply because they couldn't find any suitable partners. It takes two to tango after all. My biggest fear is that the organization values Fred like a franchise player and will do anything to lock him up including overpaying him on his contract. That's a disastrous situation and would set us back for years.

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Fred is a franchise player and they need to get him some help

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Blah, all these trades bring back limited value
You think all these middling picks will bring back anything? Talk about treadmill. The picks we'd get back are treadmill of the draft

Why not go OG and GTJ for Beal?

[LBJKB24MJ23]

I understand the Raptors wanting to sell high on OG so if they trade him and not Fred I'll be content if it's simply because they couldn't find any suitable partners. It takes two to tango after all. My biggest fear is that the organization values Fred like a franchise player and will do anything to lock him up including overpaying him on his contract. That's a disastrous situation and would set us back for years.

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Fred is a franchise player and they need to get him some help

first Derozan and now FVV

this guy takes trolling to the next level

[CanadianBacon15]

Blah, all these trades bring back limited value
You think all these middling picks will bring back anything? Talk about treadmill. The picks we'd get back are treadmill of the draft

Why not go OG and GTJ for Beal?

Siakam/Anunoby were picks in the 20s. Beal! . Are you aware that he has a no trade clause, has been in the league for a decade and is due to make upwards to 60M a year in his year 15? RealGM is always good for one laugh at loud moment.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Blah, all these trades bring back limited value
You think all these middling picks will bring back anything? Talk about treadmill. The picks we'd get back are treadmill of the draft

Why not go OG and GTJ for Beal?

Siakam/Anunoby were picks in the 20s. Beal!

So basically want to give up on the season with these great players we have, to wait another six years to have the same caliber players? Why not get Beal and go for it this year and run it back next year with a balanced roster that includes a scorer like Beal?

[Syd-TK3]

Dejonte Murray got 2 unprotected picks and Charlotte pick that's lottery protected then seconds. Spurs also had to pick up the Gallo contract.

Few years ago, Holliday was traded to bucks for 24th overall pick and 2 far future 1st picks and pelicans had to pick up a couple of bad contracts, Eric bledsoe etc.

We know the market. 3 picks and a bad asset.

Much rather do young talent and 1 good pick if that's the case

[CanadianBacon15]

Blah, all these trades bring back limited value
You think all these middling picks will bring back anything? Talk about treadmill. The picks we'd get back are treadmill of the draft

Why not go OG and GTJ for Beal?

Siakam/Anunoby were picks in the 20s. Beal!

So basically want to give up on the season with these great players we have, to wait another six years to have the same caliber players? Why not get Beal and go for it this year and run it back next year with a balanced roster that includes a scorer like Beal?

I do not want to pay 35 year old Beal 60M a year. The guy can barley crack 20ppg on a bad team. Worst contract in the league and he has a no trade clause.

[RapsFanInOhio]

Making a call about moving OG is extremely tough in the context of our overall roster situation.

I think that we definitely were aware OG was unhappy about something over the summer and I think the plan was to ride it out and hope winning solved that. It clearly didn’t and there’s likely now some uncertainty about locking him up long term.

But if you move him, what’s next? Whatever package you get either consists of young, unproven players (including draft picks) or older rotation pieces - neither of those outcomes make your roster better immediately after the deal, if at all.

Then you factor in the Fred and Gary situations. I don’t think you can give either of them the super high deals they’re looking for - but someone is definitely giving Fred $30+ million. How do you give him that when you’re actively making your roster worse by moving OG? So then the logical thing would be to move Fred - and then you’re leaving your roster with another gaping hole at guard even if you plug Scottie in as the de factor point guard.

I think it’s extremely unlikely that they totally blow it up, especially with Pascal in his prime. So what’s the outcome? Every one of these feels like we’re retooling a treadmill - maybe we add some shiny new parts (draft picks) but at the end of the day, it still feels like a treadmill.

I can’t see them doing nothing, but it also feels like anything they do isn’t going to be enough. What a dumpster fire.