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2024-2025 Regular Season Game 57: Orlando Magic (27-29) at Atlanta Hawks (26-29) - 7:30pm

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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 57: Orlando Magic (27-29) at Atlanta Hawks (26-29) - 7:30pm 

Post#441 » by three3d » Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:30 pm

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three3d wrote:Good win but man the rotation :nonono: … WCJ back in the starting lineup, ugh please tell me this is a move to restore some trade value this summer. Garry “Hamstring”Harris coming off the bench logging 16 non impactful minutes, taking away meaningful minutes from AB’s development and evaluation. Jonathan Issac fresh off All-Star Bible Study Camp putting the team on his well rested back for the least amount of minutes played by anyone with 11.


I'm not gonna complain too much about the Carter move even though I like Goga more when WCJ had a season high in rebounds and Goga had one of his best game in the last month (according to game score) off the bench.

And they won :D


I get it, can’t complain after a win and they have a lot to figure out headed towards what ever version of the post season we get. 26 games is not a lot, Goga’s 6 points and 6 boards all came in the first half so he was on his way to a decent game it looked.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 57: Orlando Magic (27-29) at Atlanta Hawks (26-29) - 7:30pm 

Post#442 » by eyriq » Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:35 pm

This was a high leverage game. We started last season's post all-star break run with a win in Cleveland. This season, a win in Atlanta.

I think we are back to our winning ways.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 57: Orlando Magic (27-29) at Atlanta Hawks (26-29) - 7:30pm 

Post#443 » by JoshuaPotter » Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:53 pm

Never in my life I thought I would say how desperately we miss Suggs + Mo scoring out there. Cole + Black followed by Gary when he is playing need to step up.

I'm not even sure what KCP is doing out there. Hopefully someone shows me some stat where he is always guarded 1 on 1.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 57: Orlando Magic (27-29) at Atlanta Hawks (26-29) - 7:30pm 

Post#444 » by drsd » Fri Feb 21, 2025 2:07 pm

eyriq wrote:That was a glorious win


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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 57: Orlando Magic (27-29) at Atlanta Hawks (26-29) - 7:30pm 

Post#445 » by drsd » Fri Feb 21, 2025 2:09 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:Never in my life I thought I would say how desperately we miss Suggs + Mo scoring out there. Cole + Black followed by Gary when he is playing need to step up.

I'm not even sure what KCP is doing out there. Hopefully someone shows me some stat where he is always guarded 1 on 1.


This is where I would normally state how much the Magic need revamps of the SG rotation, to have others rail on about PGs.

Bt the Magic won on the road, and all road wins are good wins. Even with a zombie leading the Magic to 4-on-5 offensive sets.

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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 57: Orlando Magic (27-29) at Atlanta Hawks (26-29) - 7:30pm 

Post#446 » by drsd » Fri Feb 21, 2025 2:15 pm

Box score thoughts:

Orlando won the FG% battle and won the game. This was in spite of horrific 3pt shooting (yet again).

What is amazing is that even though the Magic shot only 24% behind the arc, it was anaged by having a lowish 25 attempts. Indeed, the Hawks actually missed more totally three-balls: 24 to 19!

The stat of this game is 104. That is the total number of rebounds. I really cannot recall a non-all-star game that has had more than 100 rebounds. (the 2024 NBA All-Star Game fiasco had >110)

Another notable stat is 47, the total number of personal fouls combined.
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Post#447 » by thelead » Fri Feb 21, 2025 2:20 pm

Paolo’s conditioning still isn’t where it needs to be. Most of his misses are coming up short. He looked like he was running out of gas in the 4th.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 57: Orlando Magic (27-29) at Atlanta Hawks (26-29) - 7:30pm 

Post#448 » by Skybox » Fri Feb 21, 2025 2:37 pm

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Rainwater wrote:Games like these shows how badly the Magic need a PG. Someone like Simons would do wonders for this Magic team. I really like Paolo doing work after setting a screen rather than someone who sits up an offense. The screen setting really got him going in the second QT. With someone like Simons, who can create off the pick or give it to Paolo, it would be a great combo. Honestly having a PG and Franz being the primary options on the perimeter, with Paolo working the inside (mainly the post and the top of the key) would be amazing too.

Additionally, the center position really needs to be addressed as well. Carter had a great game but I don’t see Gogo or WCJ as starters


I don't dislike Simons, but he's not a point guard.

He's basically Cole with a better/more willing 3PT shot.



Honest question, does it even matter what position he’s listed at? He’s currently 38th in the League with 5 APG, his teammate Scoot is 35th with 5.3 APG


That's why the fit works with our two 6'10 "Point Forwards"
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 57: Orlando Magic (27-29) at Atlanta Hawks (26-29) - 7:30pm 

Post#449 » by JoshuaPotter » Fri Feb 21, 2025 2:44 pm

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three3d wrote:
Knightro wrote:
I don't dislike Simons, but he's not a point guard.

He's basically Cole with a better/more willing 3PT shot.



Honest question, does it even matter what position he’s listed at? He’s currently 38th in the League with 5 APG, his teammate Scoot is 35th with 5.3 APG


That's why the fit works with our two 6'10 "Point Forwards"


If we are really into the idea of Cole as a starting PG and giving up on the defense then all of the other aforementioned players in the bagazillion of trades only make more sense, not less.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 57: Orlando Magic (27-29) at Atlanta Hawks (26-29) - 7:30pm 

Post#450 » by Skybox » Fri Feb 21, 2025 2:52 pm

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three3d wrote:

Honest question, does it even matter what position he’s listed at? He’s currently 38th in the League with 5 APG, his teammate Scoot is 35th with 5.3 APG


That's why the fit works with our two 6'10 "Point Forwards"


If we are really into the idea of Cole as a starting PG and giving up on the defense then all of the other aforementioned players in the bagazillion of trades only make more sense, not less.


A much better, longer, even more athletic, higher-volume, higher accuracy Cole sounds like a pretty good player to me.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 57: Orlando Magic (27-29) at Atlanta Hawks (26-29) - 7:30pm 

Post#451 » by OrlandoDream » Fri Feb 21, 2025 3:49 pm

A win is a win but not feeling great about It. We could have easily lost that game if Cole didn't go clutch last min. The coaching staff once again making it harder for Paolo/Franz. Gary Harris being first off the bench and continuing to get minutes instead of Jett is just perplexing. Makes absolutely no sense.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 57: Orlando Magic (27-29) at Atlanta Hawks (26-29) - 7:30pm 

Post#452 » by Knightro » Fri Feb 21, 2025 4:05 pm

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Skybox wrote:
That's why the fit works with our two 6'10 "Point Forwards"


If we are really into the idea of Cole as a starting PG and giving up on the defense then all of the other aforementioned players in the bagazillion of trades only make more sense, not less.


A much better, longer, even more athletic, higher-volume, higher accuracy Cole sounds like a pretty good player to me.


He's a worse defender statistically than Cole, by quite a bit.

And he doesn't really solve the playmaking issue in any respect.

What he does bring is what you said which is more high volume/higher accuracy three point shooting from one of the guard spots.

And I'm not at all turning my nose up at that by any means, but I think people are overrating what that skill set will really do for the team.

There's still going to be a huge amount of possessions where Paolo and Franz initiate the set from beyond the 3PT line and the success or failure of the set is fully predicated on their ability to get past their man without turning over and making the correct read based on the help defense.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 57: Orlando Magic (27-29) at Atlanta Hawks (26-29) - 7:30pm 

Post#453 » by JoshuaPotter » Fri Feb 21, 2025 4:45 pm

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JoshuaPotter wrote:
If we are really into the idea of Cole as a starting PG and giving up on the defense then all of the other aforementioned players in the bagazillion of trades only make more sense, not less.


A much better, longer, even more athletic, higher-volume, higher accuracy Cole sounds like a pretty good player to me.


He's a worse defender statistically than Cole, by quite a bit.

And he doesn't really solve the playmaking issue in any respect.

What he does bring is what you said which is more high volume/higher accuracy three point shooting from one of the guard spots.

And I'm not at all turning my nose up at that by any means, but I think people are overrating what that skill set will really do for the team.

There's still going to be a huge amount of possessions where Paolo and Franz initiate the set from beyond the 3PT line and the success or failure of the set is fully predicated on their ability to get past their man without turning over and making the correct read based on the help defense.


Where are these defensive stats available. Not that I don't trust you. I can't learn if I don't know where to find it. ChatGPT isn't up to date.
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Post#454 » by JoshuaPotter » Fri Feb 21, 2025 5:08 pm

Not sure if it was addressed, but why did we go back to Wendell in the starting lineup?
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Post#455 » by basketballRob » Fri Feb 21, 2025 5:19 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:Not sure if it was addressed, but why did we go back to Wendell in the starting lineup?
Because Goga hasn't done well since coming back from injury. Goga seems to mesh better in the offense led by Franz. On the second unit, he plays mostly with Franz leading the offense.

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Post#456 » by Bergmaniac » Fri Feb 21, 2025 6:19 pm

Ugly win, but I'll take it. At least Paolo looked better and we actually pushed the ball in transition at times which got the offense going in the second quarter, ot makes no sense that we don't do this more often. But the halfcourt offense is still too slow and disorganised and we can't make 3s which makes it very hard to beat good teams.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 57: Orlando Magic (27-29) at Atlanta Hawks (26-29) - 7:30pm 

Post#457 » by Knightro » Fri Feb 21, 2025 6:33 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:Where are these defensive stats available. Not that I don't trust you. I can't learn if I don't know where to find it. ChatGPT isn't up to date.


Defensive metrics can be a little noisy, but here are Cole's rankings defensively this season from three different data points.

Defensive EPM: -0.4 (231st of 476 players, 51st percentile)
Defensive LEBRON: 0.02 (263rd of 529 players)
Defensive RAPTOR: +0.4 (188th of 535 players)

And here are Simons' rankings...

Defensive EPM: -1.4 (441st of 476 players, 7th percentile)
Defensive LEBRON: -2.06 (525th of 529 players)
Defensive RAPTOR: −2.1 (469th of 535 players)


EPM ratings ($): https://dunksandthrees.com/epm
RAPTOR ratings (free): https://neilpaine.substack.com/p/2024-25-nba-forecast
LEBRON ratings (free): https://www.bball-index.com/lebron-application/
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 57: Orlando Magic (27-29) at Atlanta Hawks (26-29) - 7:30pm 

Post#458 » by KillMonger » Fri Feb 21, 2025 7:03 pm

At this point for me.....i feel like KCP has robbed us for 66 million
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 57: Orlando Magic (27-29) at Atlanta Hawks (26-29) - 7:30pm 

Post#459 » by JoshuaPotter » Fri Feb 21, 2025 9:48 pm

KillMonger wrote:At this point for me.....i feel like KCP has robbed us for 66 million


You are out of line, but you ain't wrong. lol.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 57: Orlando Magic (27-29) at Atlanta Hawks (26-29) - 7:30pm 

Post#460 » by jezzerinho » Fri Feb 21, 2025 9:53 pm

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JoshuaPotter wrote:Not sure if it was addressed, but why did we go back to Wendell in the starting lineup?
Because Goga hasn't done well since coming back from injury. Goga seems to mesh better in the offense led by Franz. On the second unit, he plays mostly with Franz leading the offense.

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We need to play a lot more of the Franz Goga pick n roll and then figure out a way to bring Paolo into those sets.

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