The Kobe Step Through

[bigbreakfast]

would imagine if you do that move in the US at any rec league/gym/playground it will be called a travel. in reality it's not. what's crazy is that more NBA players aren't taking advantage of this. another testament to kobe because he's the only person that I've seen that's done this move several times that I can remember.

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good find. you know what i remember now there's a video of melo doing the same move in practice, found it!:

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melo was one of the most entertaining players to watch when it comes to 1on1 offense tbh, he's got a really complete array of moves

[og15]

would imagine if you do that move in the US at any rec league/gym/playground it will be called a travel. in reality it's not. what's crazy is that more NBA players aren't taking advantage of this. another testament to kobe because he's the only person that I've seen that's done this move several times that I can remember.

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good find. you know what i remember now there's a video of melo doing the same move in practice, found it!:

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melo was one of the most entertaining players to watch when it comes to 1on1 offense tbh, he's got a really complete array of moves

I remember that exchange, and Melo is correct, but you see the conclusion they come to which is that it is legal by the rule book, but whatever the refs call as a travel is a travel.

I was taught this move by a college coach (I was in high school) back in like 2000 or 2001, and I was taught it as basic fundamental footwork. When I encountered people saying it was a travel, I thought they were just clueless about proper footwork, but I later realized that a lot of people actually saw it as such, which I see why they would see it that way.

[BernteB]

would imagine if you do that move in the US at any rec league/gym/playground it will be called a travel. in reality it's not. what's crazy is that more NBA players aren't taking advantage of this. another testament to kobe because he's the only person that I've seen that's done this move several times that I can remember.

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funny how derek fisher does the travel sign after the move. shows you how even veterans have no clue about basic rules.

[Gooner]

Come on man, seriously? We've had enough of these threads and the posting of the rule books and the instructional videos from multiple leagues that no one should be arguing about this being a travel. In fact in this case it would be that the NBA has been behind on a rule that everyone else considered legal and fundamental and they were calling it a travel.

It's about stupid interpretation of the rule, not the real rule. NBA is manipulating the rules and fans are all for it. Anyone who ever played basketball knows that's not wa natural move, and you look stupid even doing it. I once played against some kid doing that move and he got on my damn nerves.

the f+ck are you talking about? it's been a basketball move since forever. it's the fiba saying that it is a legal move. you either must be trolling like a champ or you are a bit daft in the head. just because some players don't know the rules, doesn't mean that it's illegal. imagine how good they could have been if they knew the rules.

No, you are the one that doesn't know the rules, nobody does it in FIBA. You found a video on some obscure channel. FIBA game is more clean than the NBA.

[Gooner]

Okay, it's been established that it's TECHNICALLY legal. But it's a lame AF move. When dudes (or girls) do it, most people will shake their head and lose a little respect. It's similar to relying on the ref to call a ticky tack foul because you missed a lay-up or you lost the ball because of a minor hand check.

The rule should be clarified/changed that if you lift your pivot foot, you have to shoot or pass before either foot touches the ground again. As that's how I'd guess the majority of people were taught the game, and how the greatest of players of all-time viewed the rule as.

It's common sense, but people are so dumb these days that you need to be extremely specific about any rule.

[Gooner]

would imagine if you do that move in the US at any rec league/gym/playground it will be called a travel. in reality it's not. what's crazy is that more NBA players aren't taking advantage of this. another testament to kobe because he's the only person that I've seen that's done this move several times that I can remember.

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funny how derek fisher does the travel sign after the move. shows you how even veterans have no clue about basic rules.

Sure, Derek Fisher has no clue, like Kobe who signaled for a travel too. Please, stop with this nonsense. It's not a natural move and it would make playing defense an contestign shots completely impossible. How can you contest the shot if the player can tak this extra step and just go up and under for an open shot? It's ridiculous propaganda generated by people who have never touched the ball. That's the only explanation I have for such nonsense. The game of basketball will be ruined if it continues like this.

[KGtabake]

Absolutely hilarious how all those Grizzlies go nuts, because of this totally legal move, that we teach 10 year olds over here in Europe. Makes you wonder what is going on with skills developement in the US.

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That's a travel. I don't know what rules(fiba, nba) we're using for the discussion, i haven't read the entire thread. Just the last 3-4 pages.
That's a travel. Cmon now. I've never been a pro but i used to play bball all the time when i was younger.
If the rules don't say it is a travel, then the rules must change. Hilarious.

[Gooner]

Absolutely hilarious how all those Grizzlies go nuts, because of this totally legal move, that we teach 10 year olds over here in Europe. Makes you wonder what is going on with skills developement in the US.

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That's a travel. I don't know what rules(fiba, nba) we're using for the discussion, i haven't read the entire thread. Just the last 3-4 pages.
That's a travel. Cmon now. I've never been a pro but i used to play bball all the time when i was younger.
If the rules don't say it is a travel, then the rules must change. Hilarious.

Rules aren't specific about that play, because it's common sense that you can't change your pivot foot. That's why it's called the damn pivot foot, you can't lift it while retaining possession.

[KGtabake]

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That's a travel. I don't know what rules(fiba, nba) we're using for the discussion, i haven't read the entire thread. Just the last 3-4 pages.
That's a travel. Cmon now. I've never been a pro but i used to play bball all the time when i was younger.
If the rules don't say it is a travel, then the rules must change. Hilarious.

Rules aren't specific about that play, because it's common sense that you can't change your pivot foot. That's why it's called the damn pivot foot, you can't lift it while retaining possession.

We don't need to clarify something that should be obvious. I don't think i've seen something similar(lately at least).
I've never watched WNBA but i know who Candace Parker is. If this thing is regularly happening in WNBA, then LOL
That's all i can say.

[HollowEarth]

Maybe in a few more years, we'll finally get to the bottom of this mystery . . .

[prophet_of_rage]

People will argue that thebstepnthrough is a travel but accept that Dirk's one legged fade away is legal when Dirk uses his pivot foot as the lifted leg.

There is nothing that says you have to jump off two feet. Their interpretation would make 1 2 layups travels. They aren't because the rule allows a pivot foot to be lifted for a shot or pass.

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[BernteB]

It's about stupid interpretation of the rule, not the real rule. NBA is manipulating the rules and fans are all for it. Anyone who ever played basketball knows that's not wa natural move, and you look stupid even doing it. I once played against some kid doing that move and he got on my damn nerves.

the f+ck are you talking about? it's been a basketball move since forever. it's the fiba saying that it is a legal move. you either must be trolling like a champ or you are a bit daft in the head. just because some players don't know the rules, doesn't mean that it's illegal. imagine how good they could have been if they knew the rules.

No, you are the one that doesn't know the rules, nobody does it in FIBA. You found a video on some obscure channel. FIBA game is more clean than the NBA.

sorry, based on your weird posts in this thread, i truely believe you have a mental issue. even though you were presented with proves that it's a legal move, you just deny them as "obscure". you are basically saying that the rules are wrong, because YOU think so. alas, you perfectly fit in todays society. alternative facts and all this. either this or you just don't have ANY clue about basketball rules. or both.

btw: here you have a negative, where it actually IS travelling:
https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/travel-on-the-perimeter-lifts-and-steps-with-pivot-foot/

[Mikistan]

It's not a travel the rulebook says you can lift the pivot foot as long as you finish the play without putting it down.

It's clear as day not a travel by the rulebook we've discussed this so many times on the GB over the years too

[Sofia]

Ya’ll muh **** really arguing in 11 year old thread?

[sixerswillrule]

Ya’ll muh **** really arguing in 11 year old thread?

The issue hasn't changed lol

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Maybe in a few more years, we'll finally get to the bottom of this mystery . . .

there's no mistery, just a bunch of people totally clueless about the rules.
The fact that so many NBA players are in this group is quite baffling, though

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Ya’ll muh **** really arguing in 11 year old thread?

The issue hasn't changed lol

you can't convince everybody, people who insist when presented the evidence shown here are not worth anyone's time

[sixerswillrule]

would imagine if you do that move in the US at any rec league/gym/playground it will be called a travel. in reality it's not. what's crazy is that more NBA players aren't taking advantage of this. another testament to kobe because he's the only person that I've seen that's done this move several times that I can remember.

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good find.

Do you remember where you saw Kobe do it? I've only seen him do it once that I posted a page or two back. By that I mean blatantly picking up his pivot foot and bringing that leg in front before jumping off the other foot. Like what Melo did. I don't mean plays like this one where it's very close to a 2 foot jump and the pivot leg is still behind on the jump.

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Kobe actually signals for a travel on the Carmelo move

[Gooner]

the f+ck are you talking about? it's been a basketball move since forever. it's the fiba saying that it is a legal move. you either must be trolling like a champ or you are a bit daft in the head. just because some players don't know the rules, doesn't mean that it's illegal. imagine how good they could have been if they knew the rules.

No, you are the one that doesn't know the rules, nobody does it in FIBA. You found a video on some obscure channel. FIBA game is more clean than the NBA.

sorry, based on your weird posts in this thread, i truely believe you have a mental issue. even though you were presented with proves that it's a legal move, you just deny them as "obscure". you are basically saying that the rules are wrong, because YOU think so. alas, you perfectly fit in todays society. alternative facts and all this. either this or you just don't have ANY clue about basketball rules. or both.

btw: here you have a negative, where it actually IS travelling:
https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/travel-on-the-perimeter-lifts-and-steps-with-pivot-foot/

This is the same play lol. There you go, you've just found an evidence against your theory, finally. It's literally the same play where player lifts his pivot foot and lands on the other one before he shot the ball.

Edit- I see now that he put even his pivot foot on the ground, so it makes it even worse, and that's supposed to be the difference in plays, but it's a travel regardless if he lands with his pivot foot or not, he can't land with EITHER foot once he lifts his pivot. Basic basketball rules that are being manipulated these days.

[Gooner]

Maybe in a few more years, we'll finally get to the bottom of this mystery . . .

there's no mistery, just a bunch of people totally clueless about the rules.
The fact that so many NBA players are in this group is quite baffling, though

Players must be idiots that don't know the rules.