O.T. .::THE SCIENCE AND PHILOSOPHY THREAD::.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I don't believe in God (at least the God that most people believe in), aliens on present day earth, alien crop circle or lizard people.

But I believe they are possible. And they always end up interesting to look into.

So many things we do not know and understand about the universe that anything is possible.

Thats merely exactly what I believe in. All that I ask of people is to have an open mind and just think its possible. Sure I lean more towards some "conspiracies" being real but Im still not 100% sold. I just hate when people brush them off as nonsense because that is showing a closed mind. People who come into a thread with an agenda of trying to disprove something at all costs and never even gives them a chance.

People want 100% inconclusive evidence in order to believe in something, yet some of those same people live their lives following Jesus with no proof at all just because they were told that is the right thing to do. Basically what it comes down to is most people wont believe in something until the President says so.

And you're right this stuff is very interesting to look into. I didnt start getting into all this sh*t until the Science and Philosophy thread a few months ago. I honestly didnt care at all and most likely would still be brushing things off hadnt I looked at that thread. Something just clicked in me and Ive been hooked on this junk ever since. I just think they are fun to discuss in the offseason and bring something a little different to the forum, other than more Melo threads or reading fluff pieces on our players that we get every year. I try and get people thinking. I dont know how anybody cant find this stuff cool whether they believe it or not. These same people who call it rubbish will then go and watch Independence Day or War of the Worlds at the movies haha.




It is what it is. My final conclusion on crop circles is that alot of them are indeed man made today. They have become a tourist attraction of sorts. But there are a few of them that cannot be explained with ropes and boards. Some of them are still legit and seem way too complicated and perfect to be done in one night by a few people. They have been around for hundreds of years (even circlemakers admit there have been stories and admit they dont make all crop circles). They didnt just start in the 70s. Also there could be more now because alot of them are warnings for 2012, but who knows if those are manmade or alienmade. I am def open to the idea that they are all man made though, but when I watch the first video I posted in my OP I just cant believe that, while ignoring all of the witnesses and scientific anomalies that happen. But hey maybe people have just become so good at these things.

The thing is why havent there been videotapes of people making these crop circles at night? People dont believe they are aliens because there is no proof but then believe they are all manmade just because some guys said they did them? What makes you believe them? Anybody can come out and say they did this or that. Maybe Im missing something but Id love to watch a video of them making one, and not just any crop circle either. I want a big intricate detailed as sh*t one like the Alien face. You talk about proof well then I want proof myself. What about the ones who were unclaimed also? What people dont want to get in trouble? I thought farmers paid for this stuff to get money?

Again just more questions to consider.

I think its possible. You get enough people and put enough time into it you can make some very complicated shapes. I remember watching a show a long time ago where a bunch of dudes made crop circles that "scientists" didnt think we were possible. I mean at the end of the day they are just crop circles. Man has made a lot of amazing things. The pyramids, sky scrapers, planes, landed on the moon, the internet. I'm sure we can make some complicated crop circles....

[Deeeez Knicks]

I don't believe in God (at least the God that most people believe in), aliens on present day earth, alien crop circle or lizard people.

But I believe they are possible. And they always end up interesting to look into.

So many things we do not know and understand about the universe that anything is possible.

just because we don't have a natural or terrestrial explanation for something YET doesn't automatically mean it's supernatural or extraterrestrial in nature.

a common way of thinking among people is that if scientists can't explain it yet, then it must be a miracle/aliens/ghosts/divine. this is an unhealthy way of thinking and it's unfortunate that so many people embrace this kind of thought process.

for some reason, many people tend to forget that in science, it's OKAY to say "I don't know". there's nothing wrong with that at all. and just because we don't know something yet doesn't automatically make it aliens or god.

in conclusion, i argue highly advanced space-faring beings travelled great distances across the vast ocean of space... just so they could mess with farmer joe's corn field.

fin.

I agree. There are a lot of things we do not know. Just because we can't explain something that doesnt mean its an alien, magic or something like that. More likely there's a scientific natural explanation. Like ages ago when people attributed the stars, sun, planets, to being Gods. When now we know how they form and a much better idea of what they are. Even today we dont even know everything about solar flares and even lightning. Until pretty recently we never knew that lightning travels upward. So its very possible there's other natural phenomenons that we dont know much about.

Its like a magician. Just because we can't explain it doesnt mean its magic. The laws of physics still applies. There's logical explanations for mostly everything

[j4remi]

My favorite thread is back! Everyone check out the Nat Geo special "Death Fog" asap, that bugged me out..."The Happening" really happened somewhere.

[richardhutnik]

My favorite thread is back! Everyone check out the Nat Geo special "Death Fog" asap, that bugged me out..."The Happening" really happened somewhere.

This?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzchV_gQG10[/youtube]

There is a bunch of weirdness that happens.

[KnickFan33]

My favorite thread is back! Everyone check out the Nat Geo special "Death Fog" asap, that bugged me out..."The Happening" really happened somewhere.

This?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzchV_gQG10[/youtube]

There is a bunch of weirdness that happens.

Haven't seen it... but judging by the clip, I'd say it was carbon monoxide poisoning.

[j4remi]

My favorite thread is back! Everyone check out the Nat Geo special "Death Fog" asap, that bugged me out..."The Happening" really happened somewhere.

This?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzchV_gQG10[/youtube]

There is a bunch of weirdness that happens.

Yep that's it. I think it's a truly terrifying story. Science has a handful of explanations for it, but none of certain and the thing that makes it scary is that you can't predict something like that. People were just asleep and woke up suffocating because of the gas emission. You really don't have much chance in that case, you're just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Dr Positivity]

Well its funny that you brought up the God belief because I think those ideas are crazy as well. But I never said its my place to tell people what to believe - you can believe whatever you want! God, Aliens, whatever. However, what I believe in depends on the evidence at hand. In the case of crop circles, truly the evidence supports the idea that they are man-made (We have argued at length that I think your websites are just madeup facts). So true, if aliens showed up tomorrow, I would believe them.

So again, comparing the idea of aliens to god is somewhat similar. In another too long to post argument, I am not an absolutist in any sense, therefore I cannot say anything is true with certainty, however I am lead to believe what I do because of the support I see. In the case of aliens, I do not see much support, only the fact that our universe is so large and we have only seen such a small part of it - but really thats not supporting evidence is it? That is more like "there is a legit possibility" - but like I said - I believe ANYTHING has possibility, no matter how stupid or crazy it sounds. For practical purposes, I argue my beliefs as truths and facts, when nothing can be certain as I said above.

+1

The only thing to "believe" is reason and evidence. Alien crop circles and god are under the same umbrella for me. There is not concrete evidence against them. But everything we have points against them. So I am 99.99% sure crop circles are not from aliens and god isn't real. To believe otherwise is to go against all available evidence which is illogical to me

[TheBigBoss]

Its back!! More science news. A planet that is believed to be earthlike has been found, its like 120 trillion miles away so we will probably never get to find out in our lifetime for sure what type of life is on that planet, but here is the info:

AP) Astronomers say they have for the first time spotted a planet beyond our own in what is sometimes called the Goldilocks zone for life: Not too hot, not too cold. Juuuust right.

Not too far from its star, not too close. So it could contain liquid water. The planet itself is neither too big nor too small for the proper surface, gravity and atmosphere.

It's just right. Just like Earth.

"This really is the first Goldilocks planet," said co-discoverer R. Paul Butler of the Carnegie Institution of Washington.

The new planet sits smack in the middle of what astronomers refer to as the habitable zone, unlike any of the nearly 500 other planets astronomers have found outside our solar system. And it is in our galactic neighborhood, suggesting that plenty of Earth-like planets circle other stars.

Finding a planet that could potentially support life is a major step toward answering the timeless question: Are we alone?

Scientists have jumped the gun before on proclaiming that planets outside our solar system were habitable only to have them turn out to be not quite so conducive to life. But this one is so clearly in the right zone that five outside astronomers told The Associated Press it seems to be the real thing.

"This is the first one I'm truly excited about," said Penn State University's Jim Kasting. He said this planet is a "pretty prime candidate" for harboring life.

Life on other planets doesn't mean E.T. Even a simple single-cell bacteria or the equivalent of shower mold would shake perceptions about the uniqueness of life on Earth.

But there are still many unanswered questions about this strange planet. It is about three times the mass of Earth, slightly larger in width and much closer to its star - 14 million miles away versus 93 million. It's so close to its version of the sun that it orbits every 37 days. And it doesn't rotate much, so one side is almost always bright, the other dark.

Temperatures can be as hot as 160 degrees or as frigid as 25 degrees below zero, but in between - in the land of constant sunrise - it would be "shirt-sleeve weather," said co-discoverer Steven Vogt of the University of California at Santa Cruz.

It's unknown whether water actually exists on the planet, and what kind of atmosphere it has. But because conditions are ideal for liquid water, and because there always seems to be life on Earth where there is water, Vogt believes "that chances for life on this planet are 100 percent."

The astronomers' findings are being published in Astrophysical Journal and were announced by the National Science Foundation on Wednesday.

The planet circles a star called Gliese 581. It's about 120 trillion miles away, so it would take several generations for a spaceship to get there. It may seem like a long distance, but in the scheme of the vast universe, this planet is "like right in our face, right next door to us," Vogt said in an interview.

That close proximity and the way it was found so early in astronomers' search for habitable planets hints to scientists that planets like Earth are probably not that rare.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/ ... 4429.shtml

[Deeeez Knicks]

Oh yeah, I read this. That is really exciting news.

The crazy thing about this is that its only been pretty recent where we have been able to look for planets in other solar systems and figure out if they could sustain life. Yet we constantly find planets that have maybe a remote possibility, or that we are still trying to verify if it can sustain life, and now we finally have confirmation of an earth-like planet.

Its like looking for a grain of sand shaped a certain way in a desert bigger then earth and finding it in the first handful. Makes you wonder just how many of them are out there?

Of course many scientists always believed there were many planets like this, but to actually find one is amazing. And this close. Its only 20 light years away. That is pretty close in the grand scheme of things

[j4remi]

I've said it before, mathematically it's impossible to think there's not life in the universe or habitable planets at that.

[Knicksfan20]

I've said it before, mathematically it's impossible to think there's not life in the universe or habitable planets at that.

Agreed. For all we know, there is another earth with people who looks just like us in another galaxy. Nobody knows where everybody or everyone comes from. I do not believe in religion, but i believe there is some sort of greater being.

How else does a bunch of people and planets just appear? **** just doesn't happen, it happens for a reason. Planets just dont form out of thin air, and thin air just doesn't appear outta thin air.

[gavran]

How else does a bunch of people and planets just appear? **** just doesn't happen, it happens for a reason. Planets just dont form out of thin air, and thin air just doesn't appear outta thin air.

Nothing happens for a reason.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I've said it before, mathematically it's impossible to think there's not life in the universe or habitable planets at that.

Yeah, given the size of the universe there has got to be other planets like earth. Its just been an age old question of if and/or when we'd finally discover one. And its finally happened. And close to earth.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I've said it before, mathematically it's impossible to think there's not life in the universe or habitable planets at that.

Agreed. For all we know, there is another earth with people who looks just like us in another galaxy. Nobody knows where everybody or everyone comes from. I do not believe in religion, but i believe there is some sort of greater being.

How else does a bunch of people and planets just appear? **** just doesn't happen, it happens for a reason. Planets just dont form out of thin air, and thin air just doesn't appear outta thin air.

Planets are born from a combination of collisions, dust, gases, pressure gravity, and time.

Here's how people appeared

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV3Xa3jPxsg[/youtube]

[Knicksfan20]

And where did collisions/gas/dust/gravity come from? Just happend?

[gavran]

And where did collisions/gas/dust/gravity come from? Just happend?

Yes. The Universe just happened, it popped out of nothing. Just because.

[richardhutnik]

And where did collisions/gas/dust/gravity come from? Just happend?

Yes. The Universe just happened, it popped out of nothing. Just because.

The gap is not God. Unless you know the mechanics, so they are laws, and can make predictions, you don't know.

- Rich

[Knicksfan20]

And where did collisions/gas/dust/gravity come from? Just happend?

Yes. The Universe just happened, it popped out of nothing. Just because.

The gap is not God. Unless you know the mechanics, so they are laws, and can make predictions, you don't know.

- Rich

Ya, but how do you know there is no God? I myself am an athiest, i do not believe in any religion. But i do believe there is some sort of greater being out there, some may call him god, others may call him Jeff. Who knows what the hell he/she/it is called. But **** just doesn't appear, something had to of put the astroids there in the first place.

I dont fully believe the science side of it, because matter/gravity/atoms all just didnt happen.

[knickknack]

Do you guys think that they exist. There so many coincidence that occur with this theory or conspiracy. In my opinion it can be true or false.

[nylj2]

I'm not even sure what the Illuminati is supposed to be, but my sense of logic tells me "no."

The problem with most conspiracy theories are that they try to explain something in a complicated way, when the simpler answer is much more probable.

Do the ultra wealthy combine their power for mutual benefit? Absolutely.

Do they belong to some official society with rules and codes and whatnot? Most likely not. They're probably just friends. They hang around each other. Have the same life experience. Generally have the same opinions, etc. etc.

No need for complicated secret organizations. Friendship/running-in-the-same-circles is the simple explanation.