BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani

[strudel forever]

Maybe he can develop into a poor man's Pau type role with the Knicks. He's not as good on the boards or shot blocking but offensively he brings Pau-like skills. Barg can pass, he pump fakes with stop and pops or drives to the basket and he can post up a bit, too, so he's versatile offensively, he's not just a one dimensional spot up shooter. He does contest shots and he can man on defend so maybe Woodson can teach him the team D concept better than he's played before and not be a liability there. Rebounding might be a problem we have to learn to accept from him though, that often can't be taught.

The biggest problem with the Knicks offense in the playoffs last year other than the cold shooting of JR was that there wasn't any one to pull the opponent defense away from the basket so Melo had to shoot over 2 and 3 guys in the paint all the time. Tyson and Martin were great defensively and rebounding but their man didn't have to respect them outside of the paint at all. Barg helps with this and if the Knicks can get Brand, too, they will have made a huge stride to taking that away from defenses next season.

My thinking as well.

Post game is very underrated.

What post game? He hasn't developed so much as a semi reliable baby hook (let alone any type of counter, drop step, etc.) and shot 47% from in close. He'll get the odd turnaround jumper and sweeping right handed drive across the key, but this is a guy who makes his living off long two point jump shots.

[Fury]

Maybe he can develop into a poor man's Pau type role with the Knicks. He's not as good on the boards or shot blocking but offensively he brings Pau-like skills. Barg can pass, he pump fakes with stop and pops or drives to the basket and he can post up a bit, too, so he's versatile offensively, he's not just a one dimensional spot up shooter. He does contest shots and he can man on defend so maybe Woodson can teach him the team D concept better than he's played before and not be a liability there. Rebounding might be a problem we have to learn to accept from him though, that often can't be taught.

The biggest problem with the Knicks offense in the playoffs last year other than the cold shooting of JR was that there wasn't any one to pull the opponent defense away from the basket so Melo had to shoot over 2 and 3 guys in the paint all the time. Tyson and Martin were great defensively and rebounding but their man didn't have to respect them outside of the paint at all. Barg helps with this and if the Knicks can get Brand, too, they will have made a huge stride to taking that away from defenses next season.

My thinking as well.

Post game is very underrated.

What post game? He hasn't developed so much as a semi reliable baby hook (let alone any type of counter, drop step, etc.) and shot 47% from in close. He'll get the odd turnaround jumper and sweeping right handed drive across the key, but this is a guy who makes his living off long two point jump shots.

Last year was the exception. He's closer to 60% from close.

[StephNYKurry]

Maybe he can develop into a poor man's Pau type role with the Knicks. He's not as good on the boards or shot blocking but offensively he brings Pau-like skills. Barg can pass, he pump fakes with stop and pops or drives to the basket and he can post up a bit, too, so he's versatile offensively, he's not just a one dimensional spot up shooter. He does contest shots and he can man on defend so maybe Woodson can teach him the team D concept better than he's played before and not be a liability there. Rebounding might be a problem we have to learn to accept from him though, that often can't be taught.

The biggest problem with the Knicks offense in the playoffs last year other than the cold shooting of JR was that there wasn't any one to pull the opponent defense away from the basket so Melo had to shoot over 2 and 3 guys in the paint all the time. Tyson and Martin were great defensively and rebounding but their man didn't have to respect them outside of the paint at all. Barg helps with this and if the Knicks can get Brand, too, they will have made a huge stride to taking that away from defenses next season.

My thinking as well.

Post game is very underrated.

What post game? He hasn't developed so much as a semi reliable baby hook (let alone any type of counter, drop step, etc.) and shot 47% from in close. He'll get the odd turnaround jumper and sweeping right handed drive across the key, but this is a guy who makes his living off long two point jump shots.

His post game is better than everyone on our team not named Carmelo Anthony

[Mangiacake]

Honestly I think the Raptors ruined his development by trying to make him a C and making him add weight. I think he plays better when he's slimmer. Still don't want this trade to happen.

That may be true but he can play C for short stretches at a time.I think he had no talent around him and was expected to do too much...carry the offensive load and be great at defense.

After Bosh left,Bargs had a13 game stretch where he played at allstar level.Then they overplayed him and he got hurt,took a year for his calf to heal,couldn't play in the summer and came back a little out of shape...the fans booed him for his efforts.The fans were fed up with the franchise and blamed him for a team with no talent.He carried this team many times and still got booed

When he played next to Bosh he had very good overall stats.

[Kayjay]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/ ... -bargnani/

toronto local sports radio reaction to the bargnani trade

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http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/tim-sid-they-traded-bargnani/

toronto local sports radio reaction to the bargnani trade

Old staff

[Fat]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/tim-sid-they-traded-bargnani/

toronto local sports radio reaction to the bargnani trade

This is Golden

[Knicksfan20]

Honestly I think the Raptors ruined his development by trying to make him a C and making him add weight. I think he plays better when he's slimmer. Still don't want this trade to happen.

That may be true but he can play C for short stretches at a time.I think he had no talent around him and was expected to do too much...carry the offensive load and be great at defense.

After Bosh left,Bargs had a13 game stretch where he played at allstar level.Then they overplayed him and he got hurt,took a year for his calf to heal,couldn't play in the summer and came back a little out of shape...the fans booed him for his efforts.The fans were fed up with the franchise and blamed him for a team with no talent.He carried this team many times and still got booed

When he played next to Bosh he had very good overall stats.

Knick fans can never be optimistic about anything. Worse case scenario he sucks and he gets benched and is an expiring next season. He becomes valuable because another team would take a chance on an expiring player who was once the number 1 overall pick and a 20ppg scorer still at a prime age.

Novak is a great shoots, but if he isn't making 3 3pointers a game, he is a liability to have on the floor. The argument abou his floor spacing is such an overates argument to make, because a 36% pt shooter spaces the floor just as well as a 40% 3pt shooter. If your a defender, are you going to leave a 36% shooter wide open? Nope.

Novak was a liability every time he was in the game. No rebounding, No defense, no offense, can't finish inside and is very un-athletic.

We lost nothing in this trade, and its impossible to say we lossed this trade even if Bargs is a bust for us. We lost a late first (3years from now that had the option to be swapped) and two late seconds that will more then likely not be contributers to the team.

This is the definition of a low risk high reward type of move. Bargs should fit in fine with this team and I expect him to be solid for us. Even if he isn't, it still was a trade you have to take the chance on.

[Mangiacake]

Thank you for your good reply.One other difference betwen Bargs and Novak is Bargs has a high release point on his shot,this means and him being a seven footer,it is very difficult to block without fouling him, he also has a quick first step.
This is very useful at the end of games and playoffs,and when you need points.

[TheBigBoss]

Thank you for your good reply.One other difference betwen Bargs and Novak is Bargs has a high release point on his shot,this means and him being a seven footer,it is very difficult to block without fouling him, he also has a quick first step.
This is very useful at the end of games and playoffs,and when you need points.

I wish i could find the strength inside of me to And1 a ballboy, but I can't. Great post!

[Fury]

Thank you for your good reply.One other difference betwen Bargs and Novak is Bargs has a high release point on his shot,this means and him being a seven footer,it is very difficult to block without fouling him, he also has a quick first step.
This is very useful at the end of games and playoffs,and when you need points.

I wish i could find the strength inside of me to And1 a ballboy, but I can't. Great post!

What does being a ballboy have to do with anything?

[god shammgod]

Jared Zwerling ‏@JaredZwerling 5m

There is a feeling around #Knicks camp that Bargnani hasn't played to his full potential yet & will boost Melo's spacing & playmaking opps.

let's hope they're right

[Fury]

Jared Zwerling ‏@JaredZwerling 5m

There is a feeling around #Knicks camp that Bargnani hasn't played to his full potential yet & will boost Melo's spacing & playmaking opps.

let's hope they're right

The first half of two seasons ago, dude was averaging like 23 and 6. He didn't just fall off without some injury that has been bothering him.

[BOOMbip]

So Barg will just be added to the second option platoon that the Knicks are amassing. After Melo it's JR, Felton, Amar'e and Barg. It would be nice if the Knicks had a clear cut second option with a definite star status but I guess they will have to settle for a group of guys who on any given night can give star like production. Does make it harder to game plan for them when any game any one or all those guys can step up.

[Mangiacake]

So Barg will just be added to the second option platoon that the Knicks are amassing. After Melo it's JR, Felton, Amar'e and Barg. It would be nice if the Knicks had a clear cut second option with a definite star status but I guess they will have to settle for a group of guys who on any given night can give star like production. Does make it harder to game plan for them when any game any one or all those guys can step up.

Yes but this also makes for a dangerous and unpredictable team that other teams can't plan for.
As far as Bargs he can go for long streches of being hot and also streches of cold.But other teams must have a man on him at all times.He can stand in the corner looking like he's going to shoot and be on the basket in two steps.He's not like Novak...he''ll dunk on your ass

He's usefull in other areas...he can guard other bigs and alter shots very nicely.He's a team player could very easily added 2 -3 loose rebounds to his stats,he prefers for some reason to block out and let his teamates get the easy rbound.

He won't let the other team get the ball and i have seen him get many important clutch rebounds,contrary to what others have you believe.I'm not saying he's a great rebounder just not as bad as his image.

Oh sorry let me add that i have noticed as he matures he has been managing his cold spells better,as a matter of fact thats how he tore his elbow tendon by driving to the basket got hit and landed on it...for this he gets booed

[JustaKnickFan]

Haven't looked at this thread awhile since I've been away from realgm.

Now that I'm back....
The Knicks didn't give up nothing, they gave up 3 picks, one of which is a 1st rounder. We don't know who will be where in 2016, so it's not a guaranteed pick in the 20s. You can't just give up picks and expect to win in the league. You need young guys on your team if you want to contend. Every contending team has at least two draft steals.

Melo is the PF of the future. Did the Knicks trade a 1st rounder to get some backup PF? Is a first rounder really necessarily for a backup PF, that may be backup to Amar'e too if he ever plays?

Also, watched some Bargs and remembered just why I hate him so much.

He is the epitome of soft. He camps the perimeter, scared to death of the paint. He sets half-assed picks. He fades on the picks. He has a soft weak mentality, where he doesn't respond to well to any criticism. He prefers to pull up for shots, than drive into the paint.

Lastly, he's a 7 fter with injury problems . That's never a good combination in this league.

[Mangiacake]

Haven't looked at this thread awhile since I've been away from realgm.

Now that I'm back....
The Knicks didn't give up nothing, they gave up 3 picks, one of which is a 1st rounder. We don't know who will be where in 2016, so it's not a guaranteed pick in the 20s. You can't just give up picks and expect to win in the league. You need young guys on your team if you want to contend. Every contending team has at least two draft steals.

Melo is the PF of the future. Did the Knicks trade a 1st rounder to get some backup PF? Is a first rounder really necessarily for a backup PF, that may be backup to Amar'e too if he ever plays?

Also, watched some Bargs and remembered just why I hate him so much.

He is the epitome of soft. He camps the perimeter, scared to death of the paint. He sets half-assed picks. He fades on the picks. He has a soft weak mentality, where he doesn't respond to well to any criticism. He prefers to pull up for shots, than drive into the paint.

Lastly, he's a 7 fter with injury problems . That's never a good combination in this league.

I guess you really hated him when he dropped 41 on The Knicks ( no that wasn't your imagination)

Your just like the haters in Toronto...they hate him and don't even know why.They talk of intangiables like he's weak mentally, doesn't care,stares at the sky,picks his nose.
He is not weak he has never backed down from anybody,he doesn't go through people he goes around them,weak people don't have good man to man d like he has.

He is on the perimiter because the coaches ask him to be there,because he's deadly from there.

His second injury was when he fell on his elbow trying to drive the paint something you said he doesn't do...something he is good at...take a look at his dunks,on youtube

He took criticism for his teams failure and never said anything for seven years and finally said something and was misquoted like that thing at the bottom of your posts.

He said in Italian that we...thats we, including himself..."we are practically the bottom of the leaque" which they were at that time.

[strangespot]

Haven't looked at this thread awhile since I've been away from realgm.

Now that I'm back....
The Knicks didn't give up nothing, they gave up 3 picks, one of which is a 1st rounder. We don't know who will be where in 2016, so it's not a guaranteed pick in the 20s. You can't just give up picks and expect to win in the league. You need young guys on your team if you want to contend. Every contending team has at least two draft steals.

Melo is the PF of the future. Did the Knicks trade a 1st rounder to get some backup PF? Is a first rounder really necessarily for a backup PF, that may be backup to Amar'e too if he ever plays?

Also, watched some Bargs and remembered just why I hate him so much.

He is the epitome of soft. He camps the perimeter, scared to death of the paint. He sets half-assed picks. He fades on the picks. He has a soft weak mentality, where he doesn't respond to well to any criticism. He prefers to pull up for shots, than drive into the paint.

Lastly, he's a 7 fter with injury problems . That's never a good combination in this league.

This is true, but only partially. I think for him its more a motivation and physical issue.... i.e. the last two season he played through injuries, not only that, he played 40 mpg with his calf or elbow not fully healed. then he tends to shy away from physical contact. But when he is 100% fit, he won't shy away from anything or anybody...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBzVPXxV8UY[/youtube]

as for motivation, when he knows that the season is basically over (and for the RAptors the season almost always was over like december/jan as they had basically no chance to get to playoffs) he tends to sort of quit. But I remember a game the Raptors played against Miami in Feb 2011 (the season after Bosh got traded)... He basically played alone against the Heat and almost won, to play against his former franchise player just gave him the kick he needs to perform well..

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXm7ec9mQCg[/youtube]

I think if he knows that he is with an organisation which has good chances to at least reach ECF, that will get him going and actually play like he can.

[TheGarden]

Never judge a player by how he plays on a bad team

Bargs will be motivated and much more effective

[Mangiacake]

"He basically played alone against the Heat and almost won" Thanks for this may i quote you