Bogut Injury Thread: "I may not be 100% this year" (page 21)

[rzrpack]

I was annoyed with Bogut's ill-advised comments and stated my preference for him to keep his opinions to himself.

Why should Bogut keep his opinions to himself? Would you like it if he called you and told you to do so? Why is it that when someone becomes famous, they lose their right to speak their mind in some people's eyes?

[Chapter29]

I will probably get blasted for this comment but from what I have seen thus far, Larry Sanders seems to have a much better looking shot than Bogut.. and I believe he has more potential to be a consistent shooter than what I have seen from Bogut thoughout the years.

Sanders shot is pretty nice looking actually. Much much better form than Bogut. There is no doubt in my mind that he will be a better shooter than Bogut. Heck probably is right now.

The good news is that Bogut's offensive strength is his little baby hooks and such not his jumper.

[Chapter29]

Bogut has always had a good jumpshot it just doesn't work in the NBA. I'd be confident betting that he'll shoot 40%+ from 3 at the next Olympics.

You know I keep hearing this, but never have actually seen anything close to a good looking jumpshot from him outside of his college days and even that's debatable.

[blkout]

He hit some threes in the last Olympics. I don't know if you could say his shot form looked "good", but they went in.

[Total_Package]

A similar discussion took place when Bogut made the comments about American players being more into spending money of expensive things v. his mindset which is different due to his cultural differences. I was annoyed with Bogut's ill-advised comments and stated my preference for him to keep his opinions to himself. That discussion also turned into a HUGE race and culture conversation which went well beyond basketball. I was even accused of always having a negative opinion of Bogut (which isn't accurate) along with all the racial things that came out of that too...actually that discussion got ugly.

At the risk of reigniting that again I still can't fathom what Bogut said that was so wrong... and why it was ill-advised. His opinions from what I can see where pretty much spot on with reality. It's funny because the group of people into hip hop and whatever else... that he spoke about of course played the racist card. You can see why those who thought Bogut did nothing wrong... would accuse those who thought he did of being racist.

Anyway... the day I see Dirk Nowitzki bring posse's of people and getting friends high paying jobs at clubs... like LeMoron and Shaq do.... will be the day that generalisation is no longer factual.

[Franc]

He hit some threes in the last Olympics. I don't know if you could say his shot form looked "good", but they went in.

Diamond Ball in China 1-3 threes
Angola 1-2
Olympic Games against Russia 2-3 threes
Lithuania 3-3 100%, so he was shooting threes

[lawrybeard]

He's got pretty good range, but it's more of a set shot so the release isn't quick enough in the nba. When you see him taking jumpers for the Bucks they are more often than not rushed so the form isn't there.

[lawrybeard]

A similar discussion took place when Bogut made the comments about American players being more into spending money of expensive things v. his mindset which is different due to his cultural differences. I was annoyed with Bogut's ill-advised comments and stated my preference for him to keep his opinions to himself. That discussion also turned into a HUGE race and culture conversation which went well beyond basketball. I was even accused of always having a negative opinion of Bogut (which isn't accurate) along with all the racial things that came out of that too...actually that discussion got ugly.

At the risk of reigniting that again I still can't fathom what Bogut said that was so wrong... and why it was ill-advised. His opinions from what I can see where pretty much spot on with reality. It's funny because the group of people into hip hop and whatever else... that he spoke about of course played the racist card. You can see why those who thought Bogut did nothing wrong... would accuse those who thought he did of being racist.

American's have trouble understanding what racism really is, so they play it safe and just call everything racist - that way they can never be accused of being racist.

[Total_Package]

A similar discussion took place when Bogut made the comments about American players being more into spending money of expensive things v. his mindset which is different due to his cultural differences. I was annoyed with Bogut's ill-advised comments and stated my preference for him to keep his opinions to himself. That discussion also turned into a HUGE race and culture conversation which went well beyond basketball. I was even accused of always having a negative opinion of Bogut (which isn't accurate) along with all the racial things that came out of that too...actually that discussion got ugly.

At the risk of reigniting that again I still can't fathom what Bogut said that was so wrong... and why it was ill-advised. His opinions from what I can see where pretty much spot on with reality. It's funny because the group of people into hip hop and whatever else... that he spoke about of course played the racist card. You can see why those who thought Bogut did nothing wrong... would accuse those who thought he did of being racist.

American's have trouble understanding what racism really is, so they play it safe and just call everything racist - that way they can never be accused of being racist.

is that kinda like how their first thought whenever they trip over something or get a blister is to sue the hell out of that person and destroy them financially...

It's quite interesting to see the culture differences.... and how it affects every day life and thinking. The right to bears arms being one.... I've never seen a gun in my lfe and hope it stays that way! (Thats not racism just realism )

[lawrybeard]

The problem was that he said it, whereas he should have just thought it like everyone else does.

In White Men Can't Jump Woody accuses Wesley that he'd rather look good and lose than look bad and win. When Wesley calls bulls@#$ Woody askes him 'How many dinners this chain set your family back?' It's the exact same @#$#ing thing.

Is Woody's character Australian? Did everyone who saw that movie over there call bulls@#$ because it doesn't reflect their society?

Maybe Bogut had just watched the movie and was assuming it was based on their society rather than being totally fiction.

Either way this thread has derailed, so I'll stop.

[emunney]

I'd rather be a little oversensitive to racial concerns than live in a racially homogeneous country and be patently oblivious like you two.

Stop pretending you know what this country is like via White Men Can't Jump. You're making asses out of yourselves.

[blkout]

Let's maybe avoid some sort of international forum war at this point.

[lawrybeard]

I'd rather be a little oversensitive to racial concerns than live in a racially homogeneous country and be patently oblivious like you two.

Of the total U.S. population, 11.8 percent were foreign-born. Sydney's foreign-born population is 31.7%, with 17% being asian. Who is oblivious?

Stop pretending you know what this country is like via White Men Can't Jump. You're making asses out of yourselves.

I'm hoping there is a sequel soon so I can catch up with how the US has progressed over the last few years. With the reckless spending demonstrated by some of the characters in the first movie I assumed some kind of economic troubles would be in the future, but I'm probably way off.

[emunney]

I'd rather be a little oversensitive to racial concerns than live in a racially homogeneous country and be patently oblivious like you two.

Of the total U.S. population, 11.8 percent were foreign-born. Sydney's foreign-born population is 31.7%, with 17% being asian. Who is oblivious?

Stop pretending you know what this country is like via White Men Can't Jump. You're making asses out of yourselves.

I'm hoping there is a sequel soon so I can catch up with how the US has progressed over the last few years. With the reckless spending demonstrated by some of the characters in the first movie I assumed some kind of economic troubles would be in the future, but I'm probably way off.

This is really a hilarious post!

First, you're comparing the foreign born populations of Sydney to that of the entire U.S. Second, you're assuming that's pertinent to this discussion, which it isn't.

Finally, and most amusingly, you completely miss the point, and think that White Men Can't Jump was EVER representational of ANYTHING. They could make a sequel, and it would still be a movie. It's not an all-telling cultural expose.

Maybe I should draw some broad conclusions about Australian culture based on Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome?

[paul]

God I wish you would, I'm rocking Tina Turner's hair style from that as we speak....

[emunney]

As am I, but not on my head.

[michaelm]

It would seem likely he was at least insensitive and impolite.

Seriously though there are cultural differences and what he said may not have the same connotations as it would from an american guy who looks the same as him. We doubtless make up for it by being racist towards different people, not that I believe races exist from a scientific point of view in any case, but at least a couple of groups who have suffered from racism in the US in the past essentially don't exist in Australia and there is not racism against them if only for lack of opportunity. His comment quite possibly was meant to apply more generally which might be worse depending on your point of view.

As far as mad max beyond thunderdome goes perhaps oddly there does not seem to be such a strong desire latterly to claim mel gibson as an australian rather than an american, whereas tina turner ended up being the voice, face and legs of by far the most successful promotional campaign ever for the local rugby league competition. I see little connection between andrew bogut and the beyond thunderdome movie, but he seems to have embraced the car culture aspects of the 2 earlier mad max movies.

[paul]

Honestly I consider myself pretty socially aware when it comes to these things and I don't think those particular comments from Bogut were impolite, insensitive or racist, but then I didn't think they were at the time either and yet this place (among others) blew up. He probably spoke without thinking a little bit in that speaking honestly like that can hurt your public persona with people who go crazy at anything seen to be politically incorrect, but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't care about that anyway.

Did he do it with slightly too broad of a brush? Yeah probably. But the thing is what he said was true. We've heard over and over again from people in the know about how Andrew is careful with his money, while it feels like we read a dozen stories a year about American guys who have spent their entire careers wages on Cristal for their posse. Looking back on his comments knowing what we know now has hopefully clarified his thoughts for those who went nuts at the time.

I can tell you with certainty that I'm not being racist when I say that, but if the ultra PC folk track me down they'll kick the sh*t out of me I'm sure.

[michaelm]

Sure he seems like a good-hearted guy who calls it as he sees it, which can be misinterpreted when you are a relatively high profile sports star and your every utterance is analysed for nuances which do not necessarily exist.

My point about politeness is that it perhaps looks a little ungrateful to even appear to be critiquing a society which is paying you tens of million of dollars for playing a game you would possibly play for nothing. His cultural aspirations do seem to be quite different, and tend towards american muscle cars rather than cristal champagne, neither of which I would necessarily decry personally .

[chuckleslove]

AndrewMBogut Andrew Bogut
This should be the last game i sit out in my comeback from being a gymnast...(a bad gymnast, very bad)

Awesome news and good to see he has a sense of humor about it now.